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Nevilledog

(55,081 posts)
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 12:25 PM Oct 2022

Clarence Thomas, acting unilaterally, issues a "shadow docket" ruling for Sen. Lindsey Graham



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BREAKING: Justice Clarence Thomas, acting unilaterally, issues a "shadow docket" ruling for Sen. Lindsey Graham, agreeing to temporarily halt Graham from testifying in probe of pro-Trump election interference in Georgia
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Clarence Thomas, acting unilaterally, issues a "shadow docket" ruling for Sen. Lindsey Graham (Original Post) Nevilledog Oct 2022 OP
Different rules for different folks ain't justice. Chainfire Oct 2022 #1
Did Ginni Thomas have something to do with Lindsey's calls? TheBlackAdder Oct 2022 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author RestoreAmerica2020 Oct 2022 #45
Of course! True Blue American Oct 2022 #68
wtf! markie Oct 2022 #2
A Long Line of Co-Conspirators Kid Berwyn Oct 2022 #3
No corruption here liberal N proud Oct 2022 #4
Decades of being an underdog isn't easy. -nt CrispyQ Oct 2022 #5
Traitor Thomas raises his ugly fascistic head again. lark Oct 2022 #6
That tells us everything right fucking there. 2naSalit Oct 2022 #7
All may not be lost Nevilledog Oct 2022 #8
They're "overreacting" because it's Traitor Thomas lame54 Oct 2022 #14
Sure. It shows Thomas is not recusing, though. So far anyway. nt Hortensis Oct 2022 #15
And he won't because he is corrupt. Nevilledog Oct 2022 #16
Yes. The acting unilaterally bit is a fake panic button, the Justice has to act unilaterally! Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2022 #26
lol.. ".. folks will surely overreact.." Cha Oct 2022 #35
We all know what Thomas and his insane wife are about. hadEnuf Oct 2022 #49
K&R Solly Mack Oct 2022 #9
I Am ProfessorGAC Oct 2022 #11
I figure it is his way of signaling to Graham his support. Solly Mack Oct 2022 #38
It's also a signal to Trump in the (likely) event one of his cases is appealed to the Supreme Court. sop Oct 2022 #41
Would make sense. Solly Mack Oct 2022 #43
Ah... Effete Snob Oct 2022 #50
Good Point ProfessorGAC Oct 2022 #56
Traitors just gotta do what they do Augiedog Oct 2022 #10
They don't even try to be discreet any more. hamsterjill Oct 2022 #12
Afraid Lindsey Would Dish Dirt On Ginny? nt smb Oct 2022 #13
Yep. It's a third branch attempted nullification of first branch. ancianita Oct 2022 #17
A higher power? Scottie Mom Oct 2022 #21
Wishful thinking doesn't help. Perhaps the Jan 6 committee can initiate a criminal referral to the ancianita Oct 2022 #44
Well, now that Clarence Thomas put Fani Willis' suite on hold... Scottie Mom Oct 2022 #57
What makes you think her investigation just depends on Graham or this one subpoena. It's going ancianita Oct 2022 #58
Maybe not entirely on Graham, but she is pushing to get him as hard as he is pushing to get away Scottie Mom Oct 2022 #59
He's doing this to keep from being charged himself. That's it. He might slither out of Willis' ancianita Oct 2022 #60
Only answer here is bluestarone Oct 2022 #19
Fuck this shit!!!!!! Scottie Mom Oct 2022 #20
Cue the pearl clutching from Alito and Roberts about the need for "respect for the court" Comfortably_Numb Oct 2022 #22
GOd!!! llashram Oct 2022 #23
Same procedure that Justice Sotomayor followed in the Yeshiva case onenote Oct 2022 #24
Important info there, thanks for posting. CaptainTruth Oct 2022 #29
Didn't Thomas side with Trump in the documents case and then... CincyDem Oct 2022 #30
HOLY FUCKING SHIT budkin Oct 2022 #25
We're no longer a functioning democracy. Let's stop fooling ourselves. gldstwmn Oct 2022 #27
Ding ding ding dwayneb Oct 2022 #66
Uncle Thomas is a piece of shit. milestogo Oct 2022 #28
"temporarily" CaptainTruth Oct 2022 #31
That will depend on how the entire court votes. onenote Oct 2022 #74
And they wonder why no one respects the court? CanonRay Oct 2022 #32
RAT FUCKER !! TeamProg Oct 2022 #33
Our justice system is broken. Ferrets are Cool Oct 2022 #34
Everyday is one day closer to Clearnce no longer being on the court. Botany Oct 2022 #36
Worst Justice on the court in the modern era?? NoMoreRepugs Oct 2022 #37
And Roberts wonders why SCOTUS MontanaMama Oct 2022 #39
NO ONE is above the law!! (Ya right....) Evolve Dammit Oct 2022 #40
I hate Thomas, BUT there is such things as legal procedure and as I understand the 11th Cir. is Pepsidog Oct 2022 #42
You are right, pepsidog SCantiGOP Oct 2022 #47
This is 3rd world dictatorship level corruption Marius25 Oct 2022 #46
Well look at that. SCOTUS DOES work like that. Kablooie Oct 2022 #48
The TRump crowd use the Supremes Farmer-Rick Oct 2022 #51
Graham bdamomma Oct 2022 #52
Impeach him NOW! Will Coning Oct 2022 #53
Anything that prevents any high-Republican from owning their treason is a terrible thing. jaxexpat Oct 2022 #54
Remember what Merrick Garland said, 'Some people ARE above the Law' spanone Oct 2022 #55
Why does Graham get to appeal directly to the SCOTUS? maxsolomon Oct 2022 #61
What do you mean by "directly"? sl8 Oct 2022 #70
He made an emergency appeal directly to the SCOTUS. maxsolomon Oct 2022 #72
Are you of the view that appellate court decisions shouldn't be subject to SCOTUS review? onenote Oct 2022 #75
Of course I'm not. I'm just fucking sick of the delays. Aren't you? maxsolomon Oct 2022 #77
SCOTUS receives 10,000 petitions for certiorari per year onenote Oct 2022 #78
Am I "sick" of delays? I guess, but they're to be expected. onenote Oct 2022 #79
I guess. maxsolomon Oct 2022 #80
There are plenty of examples where Democrats have sought to block subpoenas. onenote Oct 2022 #81
There's a clear conflict of interest. Potentially criminal conflict. ecstatic Oct 2022 #62
What criminal statute would apply here? onenote Oct 2022 #82
A pubic hair in the cola of justice Blue Owl Oct 2022 #63
This is ***NOT*** helping the USSC image AT ALL uponit7771 Oct 2022 #64
? Skittles Oct 2022 #65
It was a garbage tweet. Dr. Strange Oct 2022 #73
Is this so-called shadow docket in the Constitution? Hugin Oct 2022 #67
If you start looking to the Constitution for judicial rules of procedure onenote Oct 2022 #76
That's what I was thinking. Hugin Oct 2022 #83
The conservative justice's are broken RANDYWILDMAN Oct 2022 #69
Tweet was deleted. Mosby Oct 2022 #71

Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #18)

True Blue American

(18,579 posts)
68. Of course!
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 12:16 PM
Oct 2022

One of the traiterous whose wife was involved in the insurrection. He gets to make the decision as to who has to testify.

Can you imagine the 3 way conversation? “Clarence you have to protect Lindsey, he is one of us! Yes, dear I will stop it.” Lindsey, “ Thank you, Clarence!”

lark

(26,081 posts)
6. Traitor Thomas raises his ugly fascistic head again.
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 12:40 PM
Oct 2022

He is a right wing traitor to democracy and is all in on fascism.

Nevilledog

(55,081 posts)
8. All may not be lost
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 12:43 PM
Oct 2022


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To be clear, Justice Thomas issued an “administrative stay,” which blocks the Eleventh Circuit ruling only temporarily while the full Court decides whether to block it pending appeal.

Such a ruling is *not* predictive of how the full Court (or even Thomas) will vote on the stay.

John Kruzel
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BREAKING: Justice Clarence Thomas, acting unilaterally, issues a "shadow docket" ruling for Sen. Lindsey Graham, agreeing to temporarily halt Graham from testifying in probe of pro-Trump election interference in Georgia

Steve Vladeck
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Indeed, there are lots of recent examples of the Circuit Justice issuing such a temporary ruling and then the full Court *declining* to make it permanent.

Folks will surely overreact anyway, but this isn’t a big deal — yet.
9:23 AM · Oct 24, 2022
 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
26. Yes. The acting unilaterally bit is a fake panic button, the Justice has to act unilaterally!
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:17 PM
Oct 2022

Not only is not all lost, when the court sits en blanc on the injunction, also administrative, the loss for Lindsay will be even more profound.

And Traitor Thomas dodges a bullet from Traitor Ginny and the MAGAs/Tea Party leader.

Cha

(319,078 posts)
35. lol.. ".. folks will surely overreact.."
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:02 PM
Oct 2022

With Good reason.. we know Clarence's unjust history.

TY for these tweets. 💙

hadEnuf

(3,616 posts)
49. We all know what Thomas and his insane wife are about.
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:43 PM
Oct 2022

There is no overreacting to events like this.

ProfessorGAC

(76,706 posts)
11. I Am
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 12:50 PM
Oct 2022

I didn't think any of them would touch it, given their obeisance to states' rights.
Thomas is, however, a loose cannon so I got it wrong.

Solly Mack

(96,943 posts)
38. I figure it is his way of signaling to Graham his support.
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:03 PM
Oct 2022

We'll see how the full court goes.

sop

(18,622 posts)
41. It's also a signal to Trump in the (likely) event one of his cases is appealed to the Supreme Court.
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:11 PM
Oct 2022
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
50. Ah...
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:46 PM
Oct 2022

One advantage that criminals have over other people is that the criminals already know the crimes they have committed.

I occasionally deal with people who have been swindled in a con, and one thing that is pretty consistent is that they feel the need to tell the perpetrator that they are a conman.

It's tough to break the news to them that the conman already knows. That was the point.

ProfessorGAC

(76,706 posts)
56. Good Point
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 03:28 PM
Oct 2022

As someone who is risk averse, I wouldn't get fooled in a con.
But, this was low risk.. I was wrong, but nothing lost. I've been wrong before.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
17. Yep. It's a third branch attempted nullification of first branch.
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 12:59 PM
Oct 2022

The question is, who can stop Thomas.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
44. Wishful thinking doesn't help. Perhaps the Jan 6 committee can initiate a criminal referral to the
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:14 PM
Oct 2022

DOJ which could then bring the committee's suit, alongside Fani Willis' state suit, to SCOTUS to override his decision.

Scottie Mom

(5,838 posts)
57. Well, now that Clarence Thomas put Fani Willis' suite on hold...
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 04:52 PM
Oct 2022

...there are not many options left.

I don't know whether to cry, scream, or do both!

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
58. What makes you think her investigation just depends on Graham or this one subpoena. It's going
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 05:03 PM
Oct 2022

to proceed against Trump with or without Graham's testimony.

Scottie Mom

(5,838 posts)
59. Maybe not entirely on Graham, but she is pushing to get him as hard as he is pushing to get away
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 05:19 PM
Oct 2022

Makes sense to me, since I practiced law for a long time: When there is someone who does everything to keep from testifying, there is something there that is either very incriminating, they are afraid of who they will out -- including themselves, and that information is most likely a key -- not THE key -- in your case. Someone who has nothing is not going to fight like hell to keep quiet. Graham's actions clearly in my opinion evidence this.

Ask yourself: Why is he doing this and there are only a few answers iMO. Off the top of my head: He knows something that clearly incriminates Trump, there is something Trump knows that could ruin Graham's life if Graham talks, or Graham is up to his ears in criminally trying to fix the 2020 election for Trump. Also: Please consider the Fani probably knows exactly what it is or she would not be on him like she is.

It may be solely a personally issue dangerous to him personally -- which Trump knows about -- and Graham may have done something criminal re the 2020 election to save himself from Trump outing his secret.

I know as a trial atty if I had a witness acting like Graham, I would not go to trial until and unless I found out exactly was he had and why he was not willing to testify. But...before I went after the witness, I sure as hell would have information that pretty much told me what it was that the witness was hiding. If important to as A KEY to my case...I would go after him like Fani is going after Graham.

Just my opinion as a long time trial atty. Just an opinion...and nothing more...

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
60. He's doing this to keep from being charged himself. That's it. He might slither out of Willis'
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 05:30 PM
Oct 2022

investigation. But the grand jury still has the phone call as evidence, and can still charge him regardless of Thomas.

If he's charged, he'll likely go down because of Trump as much as because of his own choice to be owned by Trump.

Thanks for your opinion. Glad you've been a practicing attorney. Of course, mine is a layman's opinion.

Comfortably_Numb

(4,188 posts)
22. Cue the pearl clutching from Alito and Roberts about the need for "respect for the court"
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:07 PM
Oct 2022

and how it’s not “political”, nor “corrupt” nor “activist.” Justice is on life support in this fascist hellscape we are living through. Ginni’s husband Uncle Clarence is definitely shitting on the constitution.

llashram

(6,269 posts)
23. GOd!!!
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:12 PM
Oct 2022

This clown is reprehensibly corrupt and guilty of obvious partisanship. I can't stand this trump traitor. We are so in trouble with SC. From civil rights to voting rights, Dobbs was the first shot of the fascists vs the decent.

onenote

(46,142 posts)
24. Same procedure that Justice Sotomayor followed in the Yeshiva case
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:13 PM
Oct 2022

She granted a temporary administrative stay pending full court review. And when the full court addressed the issue a few days later, she was part of a 5-4 majority rejecting the stay request and vacating her previous order. Obviously, that doesn't mean Thomas will vote to undo his order when the full court votes.

CincyDem

(7,392 posts)
30. Didn't Thomas side with Trump in the documents case and then...
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 01:19 PM
Oct 2022

…he was part of the 9-0 decision to reject trumps claims?

Seems to me he just doesn’t go it alone. I agree he should recuse but this it a several day delay vs a unilateral decision. It could still go 9-0 against Lindsay.

dwayneb

(1,107 posts)
66. Ding ding ding
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 07:53 AM
Oct 2022

Our "democracy" has been teetering on the edge since Trump took office in 2016, and we all know ( or should know) that the stage was set decades before that.

With SCOTUS packed with right-wing extremists, and many key State governments being filled with election deniers ready, willing and able to overturn elections - we are quickly moving toward authoritarian one-party rule.

All the starry-eyed patriotic platitudes in the world won't change this reality. What doomed us aren't the Fascist Republicans - it is the 40%-50% of Americans that don't even bother to vote in the elections that will determine their fate.

onenote

(46,142 posts)
74. That will depend on how the entire court votes.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 01:25 PM
Oct 2022

Which likely will happen before the date on which the deposition is supposed to occur.

Botany

(77,324 posts)
36. Everyday is one day closer to Clearnce no longer being on the court.
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:02 PM
Oct 2022

The man is doing what he was put onto the SCOTUS to do and that is as a firewall to protect
the right wing.

Pepsidog

(6,365 posts)
42. I hate Thomas, BUT there is such things as legal procedure and as I understand the 11th Cir. is
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:12 PM
Oct 2022

his responsibility to oversee. While it may appear to be corrupt to the layman, it appears to be normal appellate procedure in such situations.

SCantiGOP

(14,719 posts)
47. You are right, pepsidog
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:18 PM
Oct 2022

I hesitated to post here, but as much as I detest my Senator and Justice Thomas, there is no sinister plot here.
All he did was rule that, in his opinion, there is enough of an issue that Graham has a right to have the case heard by the Court.

Kablooie

(19,107 posts)
48. Well look at that. SCOTUS DOES work like that.
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 02:38 PM
Oct 2022

Republicans thought they just have to ask for illegal favors from the court and they would get them.
I was told it didn’t work like that.
Ha!

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
54. Anything that prevents any high-Republican from owning their treason is a terrible thing.
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 03:21 PM
Oct 2022

If this allows Lindsay to put off testifying until after Nov 8th, it is a disaster for the cause of Democratic id-term election victory. After that Tuesday, if Republicans win either the senate or house or both, what happens in the goddamned courts doesn't matter a fucking fig.

That's how the score is counted, folks. Winner takes all.

maxsolomon

(38,729 posts)
61. Why does Graham get to appeal directly to the SCOTUS?
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 05:34 PM
Oct 2022

It's only a subpoena to testify - doesn't seem like it's contestable.

Does anyone get to appeal their subpoena right to the SCOTUS? Seems like that might clog their docket a bit.

sl8

(17,110 posts)
70. What do you mean by "directly"?
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 12:24 PM
Oct 2022

He went to District Court (Northern District of Georgia) and appealed to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals before this. Either an en banc hearing of the 11th or appeal to SCOTUS would be the next step.

maxsolomon

(38,729 posts)
72. He made an emergency appeal directly to the SCOTUS.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 12:35 PM
Oct 2022

I'm just amazed that everything (it feels like everything; i know it's not everything) having to do with this coup attempt is getting appealed up to the SCOTUS. it's like every other court doesn't matter.

onenote

(46,142 posts)
75. Are you of the view that appellate court decisions shouldn't be subject to SCOTUS review?
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 01:28 PM
Oct 2022

That would be quite the position to hold.
For example, an appeals court recently granted a stay of the Biden administration's loan forgiveness order. Do you think that the Administration shouldn't be able to appeal that decision to the Supreme Court?

To be clear, I don't think Thomas should've granted the request for an administrative stay and I don't the full court should stay the appeals court decision. But that's different from suggesting there shouldn't be Supreme Court review of appeals court decisions regarding the grant or denial of a stay.


maxsolomon

(38,729 posts)
77. Of course I'm not. I'm just fucking sick of the delays. Aren't you?
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 01:43 PM
Oct 2022

EVERY case in this nation doesn't go to the SCOTUS, but these GQP traitors have endless legal budgets, so they get to waste time until the clock runs out.

And this is just a subpoena to testify to a Grand Jury. Justice delayed etc.

onenote

(46,142 posts)
78. SCOTUS receives 10,000 petitions for certiorari per year
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 01:46 PM
Oct 2022

The vast majority are denied, but every one gets considered.

onenote

(46,142 posts)
79. Am I "sick" of delays? I guess, but they're to be expected.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 02:01 PM
Oct 2022

And what if the facts were flipped: a state prosecutor issues a subpoena to a Senator Schumer. He challenges it in federal court and the court rejects his challenge. I would want him to pursue every allowable procedure maneuver to delay and, hopefully, block the subpoena from being enforced. Wouldn't you?

onenote

(46,142 posts)
81. There are plenty of examples where Democrats have sought to block subpoenas.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 02:20 PM
Oct 2022

Quite a few during the Clinton administration for example.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
62. There's a clear conflict of interest. Potentially criminal conflict.
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 05:35 PM
Oct 2022

Ginny had her hands very deep in the mix and now Clarence is keeping silent the one guy who was required to speak up. Does our system really allow for this type of corruption? If so, it's time to discard and start over.

onenote

(46,142 posts)
82. What criminal statute would apply here?
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 02:27 PM
Oct 2022

28 USC 455, the conflict of interest provision does not make it a "crime" for a judge not to recuse himself or herself. The statute has been on the books in one form or another for many, many years and there have been a number of cases brought where it has been alleged that a judge failed to recuse in accordance with Section 455. None of those cases were brought by the Department of Justice. Rather, they are always brought by a litigant who has unsuccessfully sought to have a judge recuse himself or herself and/or cases in which a litigant, after the fact, argues that they were harmed because the judge had a conflict of interest requiring recusal. Where the court reviewing the allegation of a failure to comply with Section 455 agrees that recusal was required, the remedy is to require the recusal or, if after the fact, reverse the outcome and remand for a new trial with a different judge.

The Fulton County prosecutor could seek Thomas's recusal from considering the stay request when it is heard by the full court; if they don't, it's the end of the discussion.

onenote

(46,142 posts)
76. If you start looking to the Constitution for judicial rules of procedure
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 01:29 PM
Oct 2022

you're not going to find much of anything.

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