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John Kruzel
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BREAKING: Justice Clarence Thomas, acting unilaterally, issues a "shadow docket" ruling for Sen. Lindsey Graham, agreeing to temporarily halt Graham from testifying in probe of pro-Trump election interference in Georgia
9:17 AM · Oct 24, 2022
We're broken.
Chainfire
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(29,981 posts)Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #18)
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True Blue American
(18,579 posts)One of the traiterous whose wife was involved in the insurrection. He gets to make the decision as to who has to testify.
Can you imagine the 3 way conversation? Clarence you have to protect Lindsey, he is one of us! Yes, dear I will stop it. Lindsey, Thank you, Clarence!
markie
(24,017 posts)outrageous
Kid Berwyn
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liberal N proud
(61,194 posts)CrispyQ
(40,969 posts)lark
(26,081 posts)He is a right wing traitor to democracy and is all in on fascism.
2naSalit
(102,793 posts)Nevilledog
(55,081 posts)Link to tweet
Steve Vladeck
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Oct 24, 2022
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To be clear, Justice Thomas issued an administrative stay, which blocks the Eleventh Circuit ruling only temporarily while the full Court decides whether to block it pending appeal.
Such a ruling is *not* predictive of how the full Court (or even Thomas) will vote on the stay.
John Kruzel
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BREAKING: Justice Clarence Thomas, acting unilaterally, issues a "shadow docket" ruling for Sen. Lindsey Graham, agreeing to temporarily halt Graham from testifying in probe of pro-Trump election interference in Georgia
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Indeed, there are lots of recent examples of the Circuit Justice issuing such a temporary ruling and then the full Court *declining* to make it permanent.
Folks will surely overreact anyway, but this isnt a big deal yet.
9:23 AM · Oct 24, 2022
lame54
(39,771 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Nevilledog
(55,081 posts)Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)Not only is not all lost, when the court sits en blanc on the injunction, also administrative, the loss for Lindsay will be even more profound.
And Traitor Thomas dodges a bullet from Traitor Ginny and the MAGAs/Tea Party leader.
Cha
(319,078 posts)With Good reason.. we know Clarence's unjust history.
TY for these tweets. 💙
hadEnuf
(3,616 posts)There is no overreacting to events like this.
Solly Mack
(96,943 posts)Not surprised.
Sadly.
ProfessorGAC
(76,706 posts)I didn't think any of them would touch it, given their obeisance to states' rights.
Thomas is, however, a loose cannon so I got it wrong.
Solly Mack
(96,943 posts)We'll see how the full court goes.
sop
(18,622 posts)Solly Mack
(96,943 posts)Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)One advantage that criminals have over other people is that the criminals already know the crimes they have committed.
I occasionally deal with people who have been swindled in a con, and one thing that is pretty consistent is that they feel the need to tell the perpetrator that they are a conman.
It's tough to break the news to them that the conman already knows. That was the point.
ProfessorGAC
(76,706 posts)As someone who is risk averse, I wouldn't get fooled in a con.
But, this was low risk.. I was wrong, but nothing lost. I've been wrong before.
Augiedog
(2,702 posts)hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)Blatant as can be.
smb
(3,598 posts)ancianita
(43,307 posts)The question is, who can stop Thomas.
Scottie Mom
(5,838 posts)Let lightening strike him down IMO.
ancianita
(43,307 posts)DOJ which could then bring the committee's suit, alongside Fani Willis' state suit, to SCOTUS to override his decision.
Scottie Mom
(5,838 posts)...there are not many options left.
I don't know whether to cry, scream, or do both!
ancianita
(43,307 posts)to proceed against Trump with or without Graham's testimony.
Scottie Mom
(5,838 posts)Makes sense to me, since I practiced law for a long time: When there is someone who does everything to keep from testifying, there is something there that is either very incriminating, they are afraid of who they will out -- including themselves, and that information is most likely a key -- not THE key -- in your case. Someone who has nothing is not going to fight like hell to keep quiet. Graham's actions clearly in my opinion evidence this.
Ask yourself: Why is he doing this and there are only a few answers iMO. Off the top of my head: He knows something that clearly incriminates Trump, there is something Trump knows that could ruin Graham's life if Graham talks, or Graham is up to his ears in criminally trying to fix the 2020 election for Trump. Also: Please consider the Fani probably knows exactly what it is or she would not be on him like she is.
It may be solely a personally issue dangerous to him personally -- which Trump knows about -- and Graham may have done something criminal re the 2020 election to save himself from Trump outing his secret.
I know as a trial atty if I had a witness acting like Graham, I would not go to trial until and unless I found out exactly was he had and why he was not willing to testify. But...before I went after the witness, I sure as hell would have information that pretty much told me what it was that the witness was hiding. If important to as A KEY to my case...I would go after him like Fani is going after Graham.
Just my opinion as a long time trial atty. Just an opinion...and nothing more...
ancianita
(43,307 posts)investigation. But the grand jury still has the phone call as evidence, and can still charge him regardless of Thomas.
If he's charged, he'll likely go down because of Trump as much as because of his own choice to be owned by Trump.
Thanks for your opinion. Glad you've been a practicing attorney. Of course, mine is a layman's opinion.
bluestarone
(22,179 posts)IMMEDIATE full SC decide NOW! TODAY!
Scottie Mom
(5,838 posts)Comfortably_Numb
(4,188 posts)and how its not political, nor corrupt nor activist. Justice is on life support in this fascist hellscape we are living through. Ginnis husband Uncle Clarence is definitely shitting on the constitution.
llashram
(6,269 posts)This clown is reprehensibly corrupt and guilty of obvious partisanship. I can't stand this trump traitor. We are so in trouble with SC. From civil rights to voting rights, Dobbs was the first shot of the fascists vs the decent.
onenote
(46,142 posts)She granted a temporary administrative stay pending full court review. And when the full court addressed the issue a few days later, she was part of a 5-4 majority rejecting the stay request and vacating her previous order. Obviously, that doesn't mean Thomas will vote to undo his order when the full court votes.
CaptainTruth
(8,201 posts)CincyDem
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he was part of the 9-0 decision to reject trumps claims?
Seems to me he just doesnt go it alone. I agree he should recuse but this it a several day delay vs a unilateral decision. It could still go 9-0 against Lindsay.
budkin
(6,849 posts)Can it be any more obvious??
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)dwayneb
(1,107 posts)Our "democracy" has been teetering on the edge since Trump took office in 2016, and we all know ( or should know) that the stage was set decades before that.
With SCOTUS packed with right-wing extremists, and many key State governments being filled with election deniers ready, willing and able to overturn elections - we are quickly moving toward authoritarian one-party rule.
All the starry-eyed patriotic platitudes in the world won't change this reality. What doomed us aren't the Fascist Republicans - it is the 40%-50% of Americans that don't even bother to vote in the elections that will determine their fate.
milestogo
(23,084 posts)CaptainTruth
(8,201 posts)Now let's see if "temporarily" becomes "permanently."
onenote
(46,142 posts)Which likely will happen before the date on which the deposition is supposed to occur.
CanonRay
(16,171 posts)TeamProg
(6,630 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(22,957 posts)Botany
(77,324 posts)The man is doing what he was put onto the SCOTUS to do and that is as a firewall to protect
the right wing.
NoMoreRepugs
(12,076 posts)MontanaMama
(24,722 posts)is viewed as illegitimate?
Evolve Dammit
(21,777 posts)Pepsidog
(6,365 posts)his responsibility to oversee. While it may appear to be corrupt to the layman, it appears to be normal appellate procedure in such situations.
SCantiGOP
(14,719 posts)I hesitated to post here, but as much as I detest my Senator and Justice Thomas, there is no sinister plot here.
All he did was rule that, in his opinion, there is enough of an issue that Graham has a right to have the case heard by the Court.
Marius25
(3,213 posts)Kablooie
(19,107 posts)Republicans thought they just have to ask for illegal favors from the court and they would get them.
I was told it didnt work like that.
Ha!
Farmer-Rick
(12,667 posts)Like a get out of jail free card. How special.
bdamomma
(69,532 posts)has friends in high places, and they think they are above the fucking law.
Will Coning
(1 post)Read the title
jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)If this allows Lindsay to put off testifying until after Nov 8th, it is a disaster for the cause of Democratic id-term election victory. After that Tuesday, if Republicans win either the senate or house or both, what happens in the goddamned courts doesn't matter a fucking fig.
That's how the score is counted, folks. Winner takes all.
spanone
(141,616 posts)maxsolomon
(38,729 posts)It's only a subpoena to testify - doesn't seem like it's contestable.
Does anyone get to appeal their subpoena right to the SCOTUS? Seems like that might clog their docket a bit.
sl8
(17,110 posts)He went to District Court (Northern District of Georgia) and appealed to the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals before this. Either an en banc hearing of the 11th or appeal to SCOTUS would be the next step.
maxsolomon
(38,729 posts)I'm just amazed that everything (it feels like everything; i know it's not everything) having to do with this coup attempt is getting appealed up to the SCOTUS. it's like every other court doesn't matter.
onenote
(46,142 posts)That would be quite the position to hold.
For example, an appeals court recently granted a stay of the Biden administration's loan forgiveness order. Do you think that the Administration shouldn't be able to appeal that decision to the Supreme Court?
To be clear, I don't think Thomas should've granted the request for an administrative stay and I don't the full court should stay the appeals court decision. But that's different from suggesting there shouldn't be Supreme Court review of appeals court decisions regarding the grant or denial of a stay.
maxsolomon
(38,729 posts)EVERY case in this nation doesn't go to the SCOTUS, but these GQP traitors have endless legal budgets, so they get to waste time until the clock runs out.
And this is just a subpoena to testify to a Grand Jury. Justice delayed etc.
onenote
(46,142 posts)The vast majority are denied, but every one gets considered.
onenote
(46,142 posts)And what if the facts were flipped: a state prosecutor issues a subpoena to a Senator Schumer. He challenges it in federal court and the court rejects his challenge. I would want him to pursue every allowable procedure maneuver to delay and, hopefully, block the subpoena from being enforced. Wouldn't you?
maxsolomon
(38,729 posts)But the facts are not flipped. My aunt never has balls.
onenote
(46,142 posts)Quite a few during the Clinton administration for example.
ecstatic
(35,075 posts)Ginny had her hands very deep in the mix and now Clarence is keeping silent the one guy who was required to speak up. Does our system really allow for this type of corruption? If so, it's time to discard and start over.
onenote
(46,142 posts)28 USC 455, the conflict of interest provision does not make it a "crime" for a judge not to recuse himself or herself. The statute has been on the books in one form or another for many, many years and there have been a number of cases brought where it has been alleged that a judge failed to recuse in accordance with Section 455. None of those cases were brought by the Department of Justice. Rather, they are always brought by a litigant who has unsuccessfully sought to have a judge recuse himself or herself and/or cases in which a litigant, after the fact, argues that they were harmed because the judge had a conflict of interest requiring recusal. Where the court reviewing the allegation of a failure to comply with Section 455 agrees that recusal was required, the remedy is to require the recusal or, if after the fact, reverse the outcome and remand for a new trial with a different judge.
The Fulton County prosecutor could seek Thomas's recusal from considering the stay request when it is heard by the full court; if they don't, it's the end of the discussion.
Blue Owl
(59,106 posts)uponit7771
(93,532 posts)Skittles
(171,716 posts)page doesn't exist is what I see...
Dr. Strange
(26,058 posts)It got deleted.
Hugin
(37,848 posts)I dont know.
onenote
(46,142 posts)you're not going to find much of anything.
Hugin
(37,848 posts)Not much there, there.
RANDYWILDMAN
(3,163 posts)and have been tainted with puke since Bush V Gore
Mosby
(19,491 posts)Something to think about.