Looks like Jayapal et al have felt the heat from today's Neville Chamberlain moment

[BeyondGeography]

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Walk it back, folks:

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[claudette]

1. Such a ridiculous

request. Ukraine (or the U.S.) shouldn't "negotiate" with Russia until they stop killing innocents.

[greatauntoftriplets]

2. What in hell were they thinking?

[LisaM]

6. I know. And right before an election.

Would it be too much to ask that they are enthusiastic about everything Biden has done?

I don't understand this.

[greatauntoftriplets]

7. Their timing is unbelievably bad.

Nuts.

[PatSeg]

22. Yes and there is so much to be

enthusiastic about. Time to get out there and spread the word about what an amazing job Biden and the Democrats have done in less than two years, with little or mostly no help from republicans.

[mitch96]

9. Putin's "diplomacy" is the business end of a Kalashnikov.. He will do anything to win...

Just like Mao.. "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun"
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[greatauntoftriplets]

11. Exactly.

And his position is such that he doesn't really have to answer to an electorate. No matter how hard the GQP is trying to do that here, it's not what a majority of voters want.

[herding cats]

56. They're politicians, they know timing and consequences.

This was so blindingly foolish it seems intentional.

[elleng]

3. Just got this 'silly' idea:

Something OFF in lots of people's 'stars' yesterday. (I kept dropping things, thankfully doesn't often happen, and drove to my nearby destination safely.)

[DavidDvorkin]

4. Chamberlain was buying time so that Britain could rearm

What's their excuse?

[unweird]

5. Buying cooling off time

For that duck Putin to get his meat hooks off the button.

[Gore1FL]

8. That whole thing was weird.

I still am having a hard time grasping what they were trying to accomplish.

[Tomconroy]

10. I just read the letter. The last paragraph in particular is shocking.

Far worse than the quotes that appear here. The letter is two pages long.
The statement issued later by Jayapal, when read closely, does nothing to walk back the contents of the original letter.
I guess I'm not surprised.

[greatauntoftriplets]

13. I particularly don't like this line.

"a new European security arrangement acceptable to all parties."

How much land will Russia demand and from what countries to make this acceptable to them?

[Tomconroy]

14. That line particularly bothered me.

Putin has said he wants to conquer all of the old USSR territory.
How much does Jayapal want to give up?

[greatauntoftriplets]

16. Exactly.

That's a good chunk of Europe, and people in those countries went through a lot to become their own democratic nations. They don't want to go back, and Jayapal (and the others) should know that.

[brush]

26. A totally unacceptable and naive position for them to take as Putin's brain, deconstructionnist...

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philosopher Alexandr Dugin, preaches a Russian Empire from Belfast to Vladivostok. How do they not know about this as Dugin's daughter was the one killed in the high-profile car bombing a few month's back in Moscow?

It's speculated that Ukrainian agents were targeting Dugin himself but she was the one driving his car in a last minute car switch.

Once Putin gets a piece of Ukraine, he'll target another neighbor...probably Poland...to achieve his goal of Russia stretching eleven time zones from the Atlantic to the Pacific.

These new Chamberlain-nesque innocents of Putin's Peter the Great 2.0 ambitions need to rethink this asap and walk it back.

[emulatorloo]

24. You nailed it.

[greatauntoftriplets]

35. He's always laid claim to Finland, too.

And once they've reached Berlin, what's to stop them from moving west in Europe?

[DaBronx]

12. Disgusted!!!!!!!!!

The disappointment and disgust is too much to bear. This horrible group of 30 have given Putin full support through their horrible mistake of a letter. Open your eyes and see what they have caused!!!! The poor Ukrainian people have suffered greatly. To hear this must have been A horrible gut punch. Ukrainians have sacrificed everything for their survival and future. I am so disgusted. I hope
Our President is able to forge ahead as he bravely has done so far. I had to delete the remainder of my post as I’m sure I would have been kicked off. I am so so upset. Long live Ukraine! May President Biden continue to be strong in his convictions! His moral compass is strong!!!!!

[LenaBaby61]

18. REALLY THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[Deuxcents]

21. 🇺🇦

[larrymoeT]

15. They're in very safe blue states

AOC doesn’t have to worry about losing The bronx anytime soon.

[The Magistrate]

33. She Did Not Sign The Letter, Sir

[betsuni]

36. Yes she did.

[TheProle]

38. She did

https://progressives.house.gov/_cache/files/5/5/5523c5cc-4028-4c46-8ee1-b56c7101c764/B7B3674EFB12D933EA4A2B97C7405DD4.10-24-22-cpc-letter-for-diplomacy-on-russia-ukraine-conflict.pdf

[greatauntoftriplets]

40. Unfortunately, she did.

[The Magistrate]

43. I Stand Corrected, Ma'am

A list of signatories I saw earlier lacked her name, or perhaps my eyes glazed over....

A damn shame, this is a dirt stupid thing to do.


"A liberal is a man who won't take his own side in a quarrel."

[greatauntoftriplets]

44. I understand that they're all being lambasted on Twitter.

My congressman is not one of the signers, but the representatives for the two districts on either side of me did sign.

An idiotic move if there ever was one. Their timing was terrible.

[Mme. Defarge]

17. Beat me to it!

Thanks for the backup links.

[texasfiddler]

19. If Putin withdraws from all the regions he has invaded since 2014. OK

Otherwise NO!

[BlueSpot]

30. And he has to let all the people he's kidnapped go too. n/t

[Justice matters.]

51. And PAY for the repairs of EVERYTHING he destroyed!

Can't repair the loss of innocent lives though, so get his criminal ass to The Hague ASAP!

[2naSalit]

20. GONG!!!

[emulatorloo]

23. What the hell were they thinking? 'Negotiate with Putin.' Yeah right.

[JI7]

25. Is there a clear list of the 30 names that signed this ?

[Just A Box Of Rain]

46. I believe this list is correct:

Reps. Pramila Jayapal, Earl Blumenauer, Cori Bush, Chuy Garcia, Raul Grijalva, Sara Jacobs, Ro Khanna, Barbara Lee, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley, Sheila Lee Jackson, Mark Pocan, Nydia Velazquez, Gwen Moore, Yvette Clark, Hank Johnson, Rashida Tlaib, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, Mondaire Jones, Peter DeFazio, Jamaal Bowman, Marie Newman, Alma Adams, Chellie Pingree, Jamie Raskin, Bonnie Watson Coleman, Mark Takano, Andrew Carson, Donald Payne, and Mark DeSaulnier.

[EndlessWire]

65. Follow the link at #38

of this thread, and you will find a PDF with a clear list of names with signatures.

[Tomconroy]

27. Jayapal's twitter account is being bombed by the Fellas!

[calguy]

28. Another bonehead move by the "squad"

Haven't they done enough damage already?

[Celerity]

68. Far beyond just the Squad

Earl Blumenauer, Cori Bush, Chuy Garcia, Raul Grijalva, Sara Jacobs, Ro Khanna, Barbara Lee, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley, Sheila Jackson Lee, Pramila Jayapal, Mark Pocan, Nydia Velazquez, Gwen Moore, Yvette Clark, Hank Johnson, Rashida Tlaib, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, Mondaire Jones, Peter DeFazio, Jamaal Bowman, Marie Newman, Alma Adams, Chellie Pingree, Jamie Raskin, Bonnie Watson Coleman, Mark Takano, Andrew Carson, Donald Payne, and Mark DeSaulnier.

[calguy]

29. Isn't this the same group of intellectuals who gave us "Defund the Police"?

How many votes did that cost us in the past and in the future?

[betsuni]

37. Cory Bush STILL refuses to stop saying Defund the Police.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

31. Naive and stupid beyond belief.

[Walleye]

32. A gift to the GOP just before the election

Can’t they just arrange to meet with the president or call him, do they have to do all of this in public?

[bronxiteforever]

34. I am just so angry about this.

There are so many things wrong about this position and then the timing of this letter that it would take multiple posts just to get that out.

These 30 disgraced our party today.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

39. Yes. These people acted disgracefully and disgraced our party at a critical juncture.

This Democrat is furious.

[Me.]

41. It Surpasses Anger

[Cha]

42. Excellent.. all I've seen on Twitter

are Negative Reactions.. Except, of course, there was a tweet on here that Russia was happy.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

45. I just emailed my Rep, Brad Sherman, and asked that press House Leadership to condemn suggestions th

it is time to "negotiate" with Vladamir Putin.

I've been deeply interested in politics by whole life and I'm a lifelong Democrat. I can not think of another occasion where I feel so disgusted by the stance of 30 House Democrats.

But tonight I'm feeling disgusted and ashamed.

Pretty fucking terrible timing on top of being a disgraceful position in any case.

[Cha]

55. Ty JABOR! nt

[Just A Box Of Rain]

58. I'm not at all sure what that means, but

knowing how awesome you are, I assume that's a great compliment.

Mahalo Cha!

[Cha]

59. It's your initials.. I was too

lazy to write your whole name.. sorry!

you're Welcome! lol

[Just A Box Of Rain]

60. OMG. How idiotic of me. LOL

I thinking outrage has clouded my mind this evening.

That's what rage does. It is a bad thing to fuel rage. It crowds out reason.

Tonight--against my better nature--I'm mightily pissed off.

[Cha]

61. LOL!! I'm going with that, too..

I feel Loopy.. and you're right.. it's from Pure Outrage.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

62. I take solace in knowing that I'm not alone.

[Cha]

64. Yeah, there's a lot to be said for

that!. 💙

I can't imagine they thought they would get this overwhelming Negative Backlash.

[grantcart]

47. Two points

1) When Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons (they were third behind US and Russia) Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum agreeing to honor Ukraine's existing boundaries.

2) In 1922 when Ukraine out produced Russia farms after the catastrophic forced collectivization the Red Army confiscated all of Ukraine's food stocks and created a manufactured famine that killed 5 million Ukrainians.

Forcing the Ukrainians to negotiate with Putin is like forcing German Jews to negotiate with Hitler.

Finally the US gave it's word that we would support Ukraine if attacked. Do these idiots want us to go back on our promise?

[momta]

50. I know you meant 1922...

[grantcart]

52. Got it tks

[momta]

48. I just wrote to my Congressman, and thanked him for NOT signing it.

Seriously, I thought Jayapal and Raskin were the good guys

[ismnotwasm]

49. She's my rep

She does some really good stuff, but she was one of those on that “progressive” train, (implying moral superiority) even when, obviously, she ran as a Democrat.

I like her, but I will never be enthusiastic about her, the way it looks now.

[betsuni]

53. What was the point of doing this?

[StormKing]

54. Progressive fail n/t

[Cha]

57. Here's a link to the Letter with All the Sigs..

https://progressives.house.gov/_cache/files/5/5/5523c5cc-4028-4c46-8ee1-b56c7101c764/B7B3674EFB12D933EA4A2B97C7405DD4.10-24-22-cpc-letter-for-diplomacy-on-russia-ukraine-conflict.pdf

[Indykatie]

66. Raskin is a Hypocrite for Doing This Given His Support for The $$$$$ We Give Israel

Shame on everyone who participated in this BS. Their timing only makes it worse knowing that Ukraine support is important for voters and a majority tell pollsters they want it to continue.

[EndlessWire]

67. It's hard not to look at them likes cowards

or dupes of Putin. Ukraine is currently winning. Russia is ramping up its threats of a nuclear strike, apparently out of spite. There are reasons that their spokespeople and media people are making these statements. They want to inflict maximum fear, in order to gain the upper hand once again. This letter is not exactly supporting the President's position, even though they spent a lot of time in pseudo support of Biden's position on Ukraine. In reality, this supports Putin.

Putin has not once offered any equitable position of peace. Now, it is looking like Ukraine might fight to regain Crimea, unlawfully occupied by Russia. The visiting Russian tourists have had time to evacuate in advance of the fight. Game on.

You get nothing by wheeling and dealing with those evil bastards that make sport of the effort while all the while planning something even more evil. I am constantly amazed at how utterly stupid our leaders appear to be. I trust Joe! I think he is going to back Ukraine all the way. Right now, Russia can't field an army. Get 'em, Ukraine! Then, you can do diplomacy to your heart's content.

No one is fooled by Russia's childish efforts to convince the world that Ukraine plans to nuke itself. So, I am surprised that these 30 Congress Critters are willing to play into Putin's disinformation campaign so willingly.

Why aren't they asking for Joe to ask the UN to kick Russia out for threatening nukes? Don't they see that Russia can't afford to have anyone realize that they are the instigators, not Ukraine??

JFC, our own people...

[GoodRaisin]

70. Thought I'd take a break from political stuff today and then I opened this

head scratcher. Never good to see references to Neville Chamberlain.

[Bucky]

71. Good. Let them feel the shame.

Jesus H, how did they walk into that one? Why do we let these progressives discredit the Democratic Party's name?

I know they're nervous about the situation going nuclear. Everyone should be worried about that. But you're not going to decrease Putin's ability to saber rattle by knuckling under whenever he does it.

You can't deescalate tensions by groveling. Like most bullies, Putin in his militarists will only deescalate after they've gotten a bloody nose--which unfortunately means we have to keep paying ukrainians to slaughter