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brooklynite
(94,519 posts)kentuck
(111,089 posts)I was thinking of justice, but I wasn't thinking of speed or Garland.
brooklynite
(94,519 posts)kentuck
(111,089 posts)You may be in the wrong place??
brooklynite
(94,519 posts)The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)I've always heard the tag as 'Let Justice be done, though the Heavens fall,' and thought it older than Kant.
And it would be foolish to pretend fear of what might happen if treason by Trump and Co. is properly prosecuted is not an element in the current situation.
brooklynite
(94,519 posts)Justice means a thoughtful and legal process to hold wrong doers accountable. Still waiting for evidence that justice isnt happening, regardless of how long it takes to do properly.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)If you ought to have brought your wife flowers Monday, showing up with a bouquet Thursday won't help, and may make things worse.
"In the future, I may lose another battle, bur I will never again lose another minute."
brooklynite
(94,519 posts)There isn't a fixed date by which an indictment should be handed down. It depends on when a professional prosecutor (as opposed to an anonymous blogger) decides that a solid case is ready to present, with the goal of achieving an indictment AND a conviction. "We know he's guilty" rants are not the basis of such a case.
kentuck
(111,089 posts)In my opinion, most folks here have been very patient.
However, I do not know if there is such a thing as "guaranteed conviction", no matter how much evidence is presented.
Just my opinion.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)The point is tardiness, and while late is better than never, it remains true late is never better.
What most people object to, though they might not phrase it quite this way, is that the man is proceeding as if the matter is not political as well as criminal, and that he seems to imagine he operates in a political vacuum, that the ground on which he operates is unchanging.
These are the things which raise rancor. It is not a question of evidence, the crimes have been committed in plain sight, and are matters of public knowledge. It is a question of will, and political judgement.
The fact beneath all this is that Trump leads an insurrection, and this insurrection must be stopped if the country is to continue a free democracy. 'Kill the head and the body will die' is tried and true counsel.
Pretending defense of a democratically elected government against rebellion is not political, and posturings meant to demonstrate a prosecution aimed at halting insurrection is somehow untainted by politics, are foolish, and would be laughable were the matter not so serious as it is.
brooklynite
(94,519 posts)It took TWO YEARS for serious indictments to occur after Watergate (including tagging Nixon as an "unindicted co-conspirator" . When your target is a former President, you need to make sure your case is air tight, and what YOU, a politically engaged person (who, I might add, would never be acceptable as a juror) see as clear guilt is not necessarily what the average person on a jury would see.
nb: my wife is a former Federal Prosecutor. While her cases were far less significant, she didn't rush them to Court simply because it was "obvious" that the defendant was guilty.
The Magistrate
(95,247 posts)There's to be said for thorough preparation, certainly.
I also recall McClellan, who so over-rated his opponents he forfeited victory dropped in his lap with a handful of cigars.
"Fortune favors the bold."
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)And righteousness like an ever-flowing stream.