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cachukis

(4,083 posts)
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 10:18 PM Oct 2022

Watching World Series.

Swinging at a lot of bad pitches. Are the pitchers that good? Been away since 1986.
Remember modifying swing to deal with pitch.
Looks like a lot of fence swingers.
What am I missing?

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BlueTsunami2018

(5,077 posts)
1. Yeah, pitchers are a lot better than they were.
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 10:26 PM
Oct 2022

The spin these guys put on is crazy. But you’re also right that there is a lot of swinging for the fences. No one plays small ball anymore.

cachukis

(4,083 posts)
2. You would think managers would shake up bullpens by
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 10:32 PM
Oct 2022

getting batters to demand more throws and pepper the gaps.
The pitch count would be unsettled.
Is it the time factor that's pushing the show?

underpants

(197,191 posts)
4. Saber metrics. They take and foul off a lot more pitches.
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 10:48 PM
Oct 2022

The idea being to get pitch counts up and get the starter out before the third go around for the hitters. You’ve got it. Games a waaaay longer.

underpants

(197,191 posts)
3. They swing for the fences a lot more now
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 10:46 PM
Oct 2022

I mean a LOT more. It’s all about launch angle.

There’s very little moving the runner over. Almost no bunting. And stealing bases (they just got Altuve) is so rare that the whole major leagues stole less bases this year that Ricky Henderson stole in 1984.

onenote

(46,228 posts)
7. You need to check your stats. The whole MLB stole 2487 bases this year
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 12:04 AM
Oct 2022

Rickey Henderson stole 66 bases in 1984.

I think the stat you might have been swinging for was that the major league leading team in stolen bases in 2022 was the Rangers, with 128, while in 1982, Henderson alone stole 130 bases.

Historically, stolen bases have gone in and out of favor. In the early 1950s, Dom DiMaggio led the American league in stolen bases with, believe it or not, 15.

Finally, FWIW, the number of stolen bases in 2022 was around 270 more than in 2021.

mahina

(20,724 posts)
5. Oh I'll check it. Didn't know. Been distracted I guess. Thanks.
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 11:18 PM
Oct 2022

I always root for the Phillies if the Red Sox are out.

ITAL

(1,379 posts)
6. It's kinda crazy how no one plays small ball anymore
Sat Oct 29, 2022, 11:42 PM
Oct 2022

The Royals title in 2015 was all about small ball, taking the extra base, etc.. And 2015 wasn't THAT long ago, teams were already way into sabermetrics, etc..

Teams also don't trust their starters at all these days. Even if they're dealing, they often get pulled....sometimes super early. If a pitcher has given up zero runs, is only 5 innings deep, at 70 pitches - they still can get pulled. It's nuts.

303squadron

(851 posts)
10. We will see a swing away from the long ball starting in 2023
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 04:54 AM
Oct 2022

Predictions for total league stats: Home runs will be down in 2023. Batting averages will rise. Stolen base attempts and success will rise. Strikeouts will be down.

I'm not saying how much for any of those predictions, but it's easy to see that with the shift being outlawed and the bases being bigger that these are easy predictions. With the shift, the batter's mentality of, "If I can't get a hit through the infield I'll swing for the fences" will decrease. Not only did MLB outlaw the shift, they also mandated that both of the infielders feet must be on the dirt. No more of the shortstop playing shallow left field. More holes now in the infield to poke a ball through.

More sustained offenses and hopefully more excitement. The game has suffered from going through endless strikeouts while waiting for a home run.

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