If David DePape Is Mentally Ill

[gab13by13]

If David DePape is mentally ill, then that means that every Magat is mentally ill. They all believe the same unbelievable bullshit.

WTF.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

1. I can't arge with logic. Let me know when you present some.

If David DePape is mentally ill, then that means that every Magat is mentally ill.

[stopdiggin]

7. +1. well put! -(nt)-

[mahina]

16. I guess not everyone has been introduced to logic.

Thanks for saying what needed to be said.

[CivicGrief]

40. I don't want to speak for the OP, but

maybe the point is you don't have to be mentally ill to believe stupid shit and be dangerous.

[Walleye]

2. Hemp bracelets and nudity, not as crazy as A.R. 15 and 100 round magazines

Just sayin

[Sympthsical]

3. He is mentally ill

Clearly for a very long time. Very, very clearly.

People seem disappointed by this, like the important bit is that a current political argument go well rather than the fact we are failing mentally ill people in this country pretty fiercely.

Like, the anger and resentment the guy is obviously mentally ill instead of just a regular ole Republican.

But it's long been one of the dangers of fomenting kooky conspiracy theories. How many times has it been said, "You never know when the wrong person will get an idea put into their head?"

Behold, the wrong person.

[TheBlackAdder]

27. That is where GOP rhetoric becomes dangerous. They have no idea how listeners process it.

[Sympthsical]

42. What I think

Is there is some reflection that should happen at this point in this country about how people talk about politics that will absolutely not happen.

Nicholas Roske was three months ago. Three months. And everyone's pretending that didn't happen or it wasn't a big deal.

Nothing's going to change - not a damn thing - until people at the top start saying, "This isn't ok" instead of embracing or winking at it. They need to recognize that it's not ok. And they need to stop making excuses for it when it lands on them.

But it's not going to change. Which is why I just kind of shrug at this point. People are going to get killed. It is always going to be, "Well, I didn't do it! It's not what I said!"

So what's the point? If people won't even acknowledge what they're saying is a problem, it's never going to get fixed. Republicans are fine with the shit they say. I look at someone like Kari Lake and it's breath-taking we're here now.

But that ain't all of it, and we all know it. But it's not useful to say so, so we don't.

[NullTuples]

43. They know. But this gives them plausible deniability

That's how stochastic terrorism works. A group of followers is agitated until the one(s) with the least amount of social restraint acts on the speech.
But since we value free will and individualism so much in our society, the agitator cannot be held responsible.

[TigressDem]

4. Crazy people who kill need to be locked up too.

But with meds and therapy... sometimes they can find reality again.

[Emile]

5. Is Trump mentally ill too?

🤔

[GoCubsGo]

8. No. He's an enabler. nt

[MontanaMama]

14. I would say he's an expert enabler and

he’s an agent of chaos…among many other things.

[paleotn]

32. Mary Trump seems to think so.....

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-niece-book-1.5646052

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/psychiatrists-mary-trump-goldwater/2020/10/22/ebf5e2b6-13c0-11eb-ba42-ec6a580836ed_story.html

So does Duty to Warn.

https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250179459

Seems magats and their leader(s) are a critical mass of people with various and sundry mental issues.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

46. Almost certainly a sociopath with narcissistic tendencies.

[Ocelot II]

6. He probably is, but that misses the point.

Stochastic terrorism relies on people who are unstable and easily influenced by frightening conspiracy theories. Mentally healthy people aren't likely to be inspired to commit acts of violence because political or ideological leaders filled their TVs and social media with hateful nonsense, but someone who has a few screws loose already just might. Those who want such things to happen know that some disturbed people will do them without being specifically ordered.

[stopdiggin]

9. partially correct

but I don't think this part of your statement really stands the test

Mentally healthy people aren't likely to be inspired to commit acts of violence

Not at all sure we can really say that. The past is replete ..
(of course there are probably degrees of mental health - but that's a whole 'nother can of worms)

[Ocelot II]

11. Yes, mental health is a continuum, and people do seem to be

getting crazier these days. And lately there have been a number of instances of apparently sane, rational people getting sucked into the maelstrom of Trump/Qanon (a whole lot of lawyers, for example), but there seem to be a pretty fair number of truly mad characters among the Jan. 6 defendants (e.g., the shaman dude with the horns) and especially among the "lone wolf" types. It depends on what is considered mental illness; most of these characters, although disturbed and unstable in some way, would not be able to maintain an insanity defense in court. But stochastic terrorism relies on the easily influenced.

[stopdiggin]

13. total agreement. right down the line -(nt)-

[Silent3]

41. I often think the main difference between people we call "crazy" and "normal"...

...is not how bizarre and irrational their beliefs and actions are, but how much social approval they need to feel before believing insane ideas and acting on them.

[plimsoll]

17. That is the whole point of stochastic terrorism.

People who society would judge as "mentally healthy" probably won't act out on the nudging. Eventually you have nudged enough that someone close to the line on that continuum acts out. It's also why liberals need to be careful with our rhetoric, there are people close to the line on our side as well.

Those things being said, there are two things wrong with that analysis. The first is that a large portion of the right call themselves libertarians, a philosophy that fundamentally rejects the notion of society. That will make libertarianism and hence much of the right a safe haven for people who might not meet the societal definition of "mentally healthy." The second error is that people who aren't mentally healthy are probably attracted to communities that don't try to restrict their impulses.

[Chainfire]

10. The Republicans have weaponized mental illness, the results are predictable.

As far as the recent attack the only question of guilt should be based on whether the man was sane enough to know that what he was doing was wrong. I suspect that he was.

All Republicans share in his guilt, for they either support his actions, or they will turn a blind eye and make excuses for the attack. I really believe that most Republicans are gleeful about the attack and would have been quite happy if the attacker had achieved his ultimate goal. That is the Republican Party today.

We are in a street fight for our lives, yet we are still following the rules and wearing the gloves while Republicans wield the blade and the chain. It may be our downfall.

[hadEnuf]

18. I couldn't agree with you last sentence more.

We are almost to the point of fighting fascists and nazis on the streets, yet many still think it is a game and that the MAGATs will come to their senses sooner or later.

Listen to them. It isn't going to happen.

[Celerity]

35. +10000000000000000

[Celerity]

36. +10000000000000000

[Evolve Dammit]

22. yep. agree

[LetMyPeopleVote]

12. This idiot is a TFG supporter

Of course he is mentally ill

[Oppaloopa]

15. Did anyone else see Face the nation earlier?

I am sorry I was just flipping the channels and saw this woman questioning a hirh ranking republican who had pictures of himself in his kitchen with a large gun and the hash tag Fire Pelosi. She kept at him he refused to answer weather this contributes with a smirk on his face and just kept changing the subject to double digit inflation.

[CharleyDog]

38. so many Republican ads with shooting "their opponent" (Democrats)

Fox News and RW radio etc know they can heighten their veiled rhetoric to more explicit calls for death and
their minions will respond. With guns, not hammers. They know they are inciting fear and hatred, calls for getting even
for imaginary but terrible crimes. "Save America" how? by killing? Maybe. "Save America" by civil war? Fox News/clones could call for it and many hundreds will respond like they did on 1/6/21.

(Save America is Trump's big message/sign at his rallies)

[barbtries]

19. actually i would not disagree with that.

our country is sick. the right wing is off the rails. I personally believe I have PTSD from the trump years.
i hope he is charged appropriately with the attempted assassination of the Speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States of America.
Mentally ill does not mean he is not accountable or incapable of standing trial and going to prison.

[Ocelot II]

20. Dude was as mad as a box of frogs.

The San Francisco Bay area man arrested in the attack on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband filled a blog a week before the incident with delusional thoughts, including that an invisible fairy attacked an acquaintance and sometimes appeared to him in the form of a bird, according to online writings under his name.

David DePape, 42, also published hundreds of blog posts in recent months sharing memes in support of fringe commentators and far-right personalities. Many of the posts were filled with screeds against Jews, Black people, Democrats, the media and transgender people.

During October, DePape published over 100 posts. While each loads, a reader briefly glimpses an image of a person wearing a giant inflatable unicorn costume, superimposed against a night sky. The photos and videos that followed were often dark and disturbing.

He published a drawing of the Devil kneeling and asking a caricature of a Jewish person to teach him the arts of “lying, deception, cheating and incitement.” Several contain lifelike images of rotting human flesh and blood, including a zombified Bill Gates and Hillary Clinton. Others depict headless bodies against bleak, dystopian landscapes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2022/10/29/david-depape-blog-pelosi-fairies/?

But he was nuts in exactly the way that stochastic terrorists need to do what they want to have done.

[MagickMuffin]

23. The Invisible Fairy tale sounds like a DMT trip

Not that I’ve tried it, but I’ve seen videos describing peoples experiences. There are quite a few that describes fairies, elves, etc.


If that is the case it’s troubling that hate is being manifested instead of love.

[Evolve Dammit]

24. How many million magats do you think fit into a similar profile of violent rage

from following all the constant incendiary propaganda that promotes it?

[GreenWave]

21. But he knew how to break in.

How to hit Mr. Pelosi but not himself with the hammer

[DENVERPOPS]

30. This doesn't make sense to me

Why didn't they have a" state of the art" alarm system in there mansion???????

If there was, why didn't he just hit the "PANIC" alarm button on it?????

For someone worth zillions of bucks, why didn't they have a "Safe Room"?

For someone worth zillions of bucks, why didn't they have their own Body Guards and 24/7 on site Security people?

At this point it doesn't really matter, just a few questions that have come to mind the past days......

[FakeNoose]

45. When Nancy is home they have Secret Service protection there

When she's not home, the SS are with her, but not him. News stories said that closed circuit cameras were set up to watch the Pelosi's house, but apparently nobody saw the guy break in at 3 in the morning or whatever time it was. Maybe somebody fell asleep? I don't know.

[DENVERPOPS]

47. Every single day,

it is some new horrendous crap.........WTF...........

[Marthe48]

25. They ain't buying it in court

n/t

[multigraincracker]

26. Between Psychosis and Neurosis, a fine line...

https://www.healthcheckup.com/general/difference-between-psychosis-and-neurosis/

15 Differences Between Psychosis and Neurosis

In order to know more about these disorders, we need to know the intricate differences between the two. Neurosis refers to minor mental disorders while psychosis refers to severe mental disorders. The distinction between the two is based on symptomology, psychopathology and management.

Neurosis is a mental disorder while psychosis is a personality disorder.
Psychosis involves a change in the total replacement of the whole personality of the person who is affected. While in psychoneuroses only a part of the character is concerned. This means that Neurosis is just a part while Psychosis is the total
The symptoms of Neurosis are transitory, and the outcome of treatment is usually favourable. On the other hand in neurosis the symptoms are relatively constant from day to day and the outcome less favourable and cure temporary and the death rate is high.
In generally speaking terms, psychotic behaviour is not permanent. It differs from psychopathic behaviour and may not involve any violence which associates with the brain. According to the latest research updates such behavior did exist in any person and is linked to a developed personality.
Neurosis is associated with anxiousness and phobia that may also result in the panic attack, while psychosis is thoroughly associated with hallucinations and delusions.
People with psychosis have a firm belief that others are watching them or even following them all the time. Projection of this kind is often based on a
sed on a
More at link

[DENVERPOPS]

48. I like the definition I heard long ago:

Neurotics build sand castles in the sky, Psychotics live in them........

[Evolve Dammit]

28. Seems like he knew damn well what he wanted to accomplish.

[Warpy]

29. Being nuts and being criminally nuts isn't a particularly fine line

If he feels it's generally wrong to murder other people, he's criminally sane.

I agree that he's nuts, as are all cult members. Still, the gooniest goony bird in the flock can still be found sane enough to stand trial.

[Ocelot II]

39. The insanity defense requires the defendant to prove

that either he didn't know what he was doing or that his actions were wrong/illegal (or some variation of this, the M'Naghten Rule). That means he has to be very seriously, deeply psychotic. The defense is rarely successful; a person can be pretty messed up without being legally insane.

[asiliveandbreathe]

31. What person breaks into the Speaker of the House's SF residence at 2am..

"Targeting"..supposed lone wolf??? "Where's Nancy"..give me a break..I call BS..Assassination attempt ..gouded, manipulated, calculated, encouraged - the Jan6 insurrection continues..

[republianmushroom]

33. YES

This is correct and the truth, and the truth kicks ass.

[Jose Garcia]

34. Would the same logic apply to Bernie Sanders supporters after

James Hodgkinson shot Steve Scalise?

[Rabrrrrrr]

37. Nope. Such thinking does a disservice to mental illness.

No no no.

[iemanja]

44. This again

[leftyladyfrommo]

49. Is being extremely gullible a mental illness.

See.s there is a lot of it going around.