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LiberalArkie

(19,918 posts)
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 10:00 AM Oct 2022

Welcome to hell, Elon

By NILAY PATEL

You fucked up real good, kiddo.

Twitter is a disaster clown car company that is successful despite itself, and there is no possible way to grow users and revenue without making a series of enormous compromises that will ultimately destroy your reputation and possibly cause grievous damage to your other companies.

I say this with utter confidence because the problems with Twitter are not engineering problems. They are political problems. Twitter, the company, makes very little interesting technology; the tech stack is not the valuable asset. The asset is the user base: hopelessly addicted politicians, reporters, celebrities, and other people who should know better but keep posting anyway. You! You, Elon Musk, are addicted to Twitter. You’re the asset. You just bought yourself for $44 billion dollars.

The problem when the asset is people is that people are intensely complicated, and trying to regulate how people behave is historically a miserable experience, especially when that authority is vested in a single powerful individual.

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https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitter-acquisition-problems-speech-moderation

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Welcome to hell, Elon (Original Post) LiberalArkie Oct 2022 OP
He knew he made a mistake based on emotion when he tried to pull the offer back Walleye Oct 2022 #1
Seems it's the perfect example of be careful what you wish for. nt Phoenix61 Oct 2022 #2
"You just bought yourself for $44 billion dollars." Hotler Oct 2022 #3
I'm guessing he will flip it before long Shermann Oct 2022 #4
take a big ol write off samnsara Oct 2022 #10
Oh, yes, bragging about cutting the staff Warpy Oct 2022 #25
Probably did it because trump asked him too then trump formed truth social Fullduplexxx Oct 2022 #5
Or Putin mahina Oct 2022 #20
The LOSS of Advertising revenue will see to the demise of Twitter. ProudMNDemocrat Oct 2022 #6
i like twitter....its much better than facebook which is a giant cesspool... samnsara Oct 2022 #11
+1 Native Oct 2022 #21
Well you probably will PXR-5 Oct 2022 #19
Don't need them. ProudMNDemocrat Oct 2022 #22
It's not going away LeftInTX Oct 2022 #38
Twitter is essentially an updated version of unix "talk" lapfog_1 Oct 2022 #7
It is popular because you don't need to grow a Unix beard to use it nt Shermann Oct 2022 #9
I never had a unix beard. plimsoll Oct 2022 #13
I dabbled in AIX and SunOS back in the 90s Shermann Oct 2022 #18
It caught on with media because of the 128 character thing LeftInTX Oct 2022 #39
I written a lot of kernel code for both various Unix and Linux systems lapfog_1 Oct 2022 #40
I don't believe the NYT posted breaking news on My Space LeftInTX Oct 2022 #41
As SNL aptly put it: GreenWave Oct 2022 #8
well i vote that we as DU collectivey offer ten bux for it samnsara Oct 2022 #12
Let's not be cheap, I'll chip in a buck to make it 11. TheBlackAdder Oct 2022 #30
This man spent 44 billion dollars on basically artificial air🤷🏾‍♀️ Heather MC Oct 2022 #14
Similar to this Ferrets are Cool Oct 2022 #16
Wait people buy Diet Water, That's it, I want off the planet Heather MC Oct 2022 #24
Oh, it's true. I tried drinking tap water with my Pop Tarts and Big Macs and now I'm big as a house. Girard442 Oct 2022 #28
Omg! AllyCat Oct 2022 #35
Damn, that's funny. Ferrets are Cool Oct 2022 #43
Yeah, but that would also go to the poorer people in each state and giving money to poor people 3Hotdogs Oct 2022 #34
It seems to me if you give money to the poor, and they spend it on large corporations Heather MC Oct 2022 #37
actually, would probably be a bottle of Gutter Buddy 3Hotdogs Oct 2022 #42
Musk Old Okie Oct 2022 #15
Doesn't add up..Musk gave satellites stations to Ukraine to fight off fascism, then has RestoreAmerica2020 Oct 2022 #17
I vividly recall a salesman saying "But DOS is so much more USER FRIENDLY than the mac interface" usonian Oct 2022 #23
GUIs are useful, but if the command line interface had never existed and was recently introduced... Girard442 Oct 2022 #31
I started out with CP/M. But I have compassion for others. usonian Oct 2022 #36
And when THE PEOPLE GO, Twitter will be WORTH NOTHING !! n/t TeamProg Oct 2022 #26
Another billionaire sociopath inserting himself in our lives. Evolve Dammit Oct 2022 #27
LIKE republianmushroom Oct 2022 #29
Elon, Kanye .... Who's next live love laugh Oct 2022 #32
Very clear observation. JohnnyRingo Oct 2022 #33

Walleye

(45,436 posts)
1. He knew he made a mistake based on emotion when he tried to pull the offer back
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 10:06 AM
Oct 2022

Seems like he’s already losing interest, as he has turned the content decisions over to a committee

Shermann

(9,072 posts)
4. I'm guessing he will flip it before long
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 10:11 AM
Oct 2022

He will probably find a way to do it for a profit as well.

Warpy

(114,671 posts)
25. Oh, yes, bragging about cutting the staff
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 12:22 PM
Oct 2022

and increasing ad revenue, blah blah blah. Good luck to him in making it do something it has never done before--turn a profit.

He gets a couple of quarterly profits, that thing is g-o-n-e. Some right wing loon will buy it and finish killing it off.

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,982 posts)
6. The LOSS of Advertising revenue will see to the demise of Twitter.
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 10:21 AM
Oct 2022

The sooner the better.

Bye Bye (Blue) Birdie

PXR-5

(578 posts)
19. Well you probably will
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 11:52 AM
Oct 2022

be able to buy Pillows, Gold Coins, Medicare Supplement Policies, and Catheters. 😆

lapfog_1

(31,980 posts)
7. Twitter is essentially an updated version of unix "talk"
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 10:31 AM
Oct 2022

Talk was around in 1983 as part of Berkeley 4.2 Unix release.

talk itself is a version of Multics facilities invented in the late 1960s.

you add a web GUI interface, distribute the talkd to a cluster of computers, geld talk to only 128 character messages, add the ability to imbed links to photos, videos, etc. add bells and whistles to create # channels (other versions of talk already had "channels&quot ...

presto... twitter.

No idea why it is so popular with users... it really isn't that special of a software package.

40 year old software.

plimsoll

(1,690 posts)
13. I never had a unix beard.
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 11:00 AM
Oct 2022

But I did get tired of listening to VMS folks talk about how great their OS was and how it was so intuitive. VMS had a talk utility as well, as I recall you needed a Vulcan deathgrip and your nose to type a . That's an 11fingered bucky for people who are counting.

LeftInTX

(34,852 posts)
39. It caught on with media because of the 128 character thing
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 03:52 PM
Oct 2022

Quick, quick, quick

Don't need to write a blog post or update a website. Any reporter can now break news.

You can do the same on FB, but the media quickly gravitated to Twitter for breaking news. Both have decent interfaces for breaking news.

It might be the hashtag thing. I can't tag certain people on fb unless I follow them. FB lacks "flash" "viral" capacity. On Twitter. I can tag whoever I want.

lapfog_1

(31,980 posts)
40. I written a lot of kernel code for both various Unix and Linux systems
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 04:22 PM
Oct 2022

but I never had a beard either.

All I was pointing out with my post is that Musk paid $44B for some pretty trivial code and almost no IP.

He is buying a "brand" and a user base. Either of which could be very ephemeral.

What's is my "myspace" login again... I forget... and so did everyone else.

LeftInTX

(34,852 posts)
41. I don't believe the NYT posted breaking news on My Space
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 05:27 PM
Oct 2022

Musk bought a network, media platform

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
14. This man spent 44 billion dollars on basically artificial air🤷🏾‍♀️
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 11:01 AM
Oct 2022

I'd like to think that if I was ever in the fortunate position to have 44 billion dollars to throw out the Fucking window.

That's exactly what I would do with it, because let's face it's faced it, it would be a greater benefit to society if I tossed 44 billion dollars out of a window

Than spending it to buy Twitter


Think about it I could go to 44 of the poorest States and just hand out one billion dollars in the street. And still go home at the end of the day and be as wealthy as hell🤷🏾‍♀️

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
24. Wait people buy Diet Water, That's it, I want off the planet
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 12:15 PM
Oct 2022

🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤣🤣🤣

Girard442

(6,917 posts)
28. Oh, it's true. I tried drinking tap water with my Pop Tarts and Big Macs and now I'm big as a house.
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 12:41 PM
Oct 2022

3Hotdogs

(15,547 posts)
34. Yeah, but that would also go to the poorer people in each state and giving money to poor people
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 01:03 PM
Oct 2022

causes inflation. It's ok if you give tax breaks to the rich because they are the job producers. The poor will spend it on a 6 pack of Colt 45 and cigarettes and the lottery.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
37. It seems to me if you give money to the poor, and they spend it on large corporations
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 01:55 PM
Oct 2022

Products, doesn't that mean eventually the wealthy get the money back?

🤔

Also as someone the wealthy would consider poor, I would never buy a 6-pack of beer. I would spend all their money at the spa🤣🤣🤣💜💜💜💜

3Hotdogs

(15,547 posts)
42. actually, would probably be a bottle of Gutter Buddy
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 05:52 PM
Oct 2022

Fine wine.

Poor people Al waste their money on cheap booze, lottery tix and drugs.

Old Okie

(221 posts)
15. Musk
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 11:27 AM
Oct 2022

Clear example of why no one should be allowed to accumulate 214 Billion dollars; they become a law unto themselves. Need a new Teddy Roosevelt.

RestoreAmerica2020

(3,471 posts)
17. Doesn't add up..Musk gave satellites stations to Ukraine to fight off fascism, then has
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 11:46 AM
Oct 2022

..hate platform promoting fascism where all the crazies incl racist sexual predator #45 will latch onto. Came across this...


Ashton Pittman
@ashtonpittman
·
Follow
Elon Musk's Twitter: A 500% increase in the use of the n-word.
Network Contagion Research Institute
@ncri_io
Evidence suggests that bad actors are trying to test the limits on @Twitter. Several posts on 4chan encourage users to amplify derogatory slurs.

For example, over the last 12 hours, the use of the n-word has increased nearly 500% from the previous average.
9:26 PM · Oct 28, 2022



Honestly, is that what he wants to be known for-- the next Alex Jones, Steve Bannon, Rush Limbaugh, odious oaf#45 other RW fascists.

Imo, something is seriously wrong with that boy that apparently all the money in the woooorld can't fix. Can you imagine what he could do to help humanity, environment? Note: Advise to Ukraine-- beware of "friends" bearing gifts!


As you know, Musk gave Starlink stations to Ukraine at the beginning of the full-scale war, then they helped Ukrainians a lot, including the military. Later, people already bought part of the stations for money.Oct 21, 2022
https://visitukraine.today › blog › st...
Starlink: why the Internet from Elon Musk is crucial for Ukraine

usonian

(26,593 posts)
23. I vividly recall a salesman saying "But DOS is so much more USER FRIENDLY than the mac interface"
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 12:04 PM
Oct 2022

Familiarity is not friendliness.

I blame geeks for not learning, or aligning with user advocates.
They rarely, if ever, made good things simple enough for the average person to actually use.

Jobs and Wozniak were probably the one exception to that.

In most cases, egomaniacs hire a bunch of bro-grammers to do something really viral, because they can't possibly think of something that people will actually pay for, so they default to advertising as a business model. So much for getting an MBA. You're hawking ads.

Advertising is a poison.
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17294037
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/oct/24/advertising-poison-hooked
Advertising is a poison that demeans even love – and we're hooked on it

Quote of the previous century:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-04-14/this-tech-bubble-is-different

After a couple years at Facebook, Hammerbacher grew restless. He figured that much of the groundbreaking computer science had been done. Something else gnawed at him. Hammerbacher looked around Silicon Valley at companies like his own, Google (GOOG), and Twitter, and saw his peers wasting their talents. "The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads," he says. "That sucks."


Girard442

(6,917 posts)
31. GUIs are useful, but if the command line interface had never existed and was recently introduced...
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 12:46 PM
Oct 2022

...people would swoon over it. Really, is it that much harder to remember a command than to search for an icon of a chipmunk holding a pipe wrench?

usonian

(26,593 posts)
36. I started out with CP/M. But I have compassion for others.
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 01:37 PM
Oct 2022

And at some point, all the graphical applications that just cannot be run from a command-line would have co-evolved a GUI interface for launching/file management.

Mind you, I curse at least 20 times a day at Mac "Finder". Especially when its idiot animations (which I minimize) slow file moves 10 or 100X compared to cp, mv and rsync.

That said, terminal is always open here. I have always used quicksilver to launch apps, (type in app name) but since an OS upgrade, it is eating up most of my resources, so I shut it down. I will update it or use an alternative perhaps by later today. (done)

I suspect that something like Siri will be used more and more to launch apps and manage files, but personally, I live alone, and in a part of the countryside where people move to get away from other people, so if a computer is the only thing I talk to most of the day, that prospect is way too weird for me.

Fun fact: I used to write up my lab work using grap and troff. So, when data changed, all my plots and reports would update in minutes. The people using dos, windows (whatever) and macs would take days to do the same. And then came perl.

JohnnyRingo

(20,992 posts)
33. Very clear observation.
Sun Oct 30, 2022, 12:59 PM
Oct 2022

I have to agree and I think Tesla will eventually pay for this business entity..

Thanx for posting.

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