We have crossed the Rubicon...

[PCIntern]

I have been here for 18+ years, and during that time I have pleaded with the group on many occasions to get down to the level of these Christofascist-Nazis and do what has to be done. In the old days , the very old days, I used to have posts removed for even suggesting that we smear these bastards simply by telling the truth about them with no editing for politeness or formality. At the very least I was told that we were “better than this” and I insisted that the Republican Party was on a downhill slope, asymptotically approaching zero…zero class and zero humanity.

But there were those who felt we had to win these people over by demonstrating to them our humanity and our righteousness. I said then and I say now that that is utter and complete bullshit. They ran over us like a steam train through a pile of cobwebs. One of our Congressmen from Florida had the temerity to tell the truth about the Republican healthcare concepts and the Republicans did not have to respond because we made sure that he was silenced. Permanently. Al Franken was accused of what every adult with half an adult brain and some sexual experience and with any sense knows of having consensual horseplay on a USO tour….a co-ed USO tour for Christ’s sake, and the frigging democrats piled on him first. Thank you to the Junior Senator from New York.

So it is time to call a spade a bloody shovel: for example….that was not an assault upon Mr Pelosi, it was an assassination attempt upon his wife and he would have been “collateral damage”. These people are not fucking around and it is time to stop editing for politesse and faux-accuracy. It is time to pull out all stops and go for broke. The truth is, if we did that properly they wouldn’t know what hit them.

For all of you who are thinking of alerting on this post, understand this: I’m not attacking Democrats, I’m simply invested….IN TRYING TO SAVE THE FUCKING SPECIES.

[tableturner]

1. YES!!!

[Glorfindel]

2. Absolutely. Thank you for saying it, PCIntern.

[malaise]

3. Yep it's wake the fuck up time

Rec

[Grasswire2]

4. I am going to add to this my strong belief that "Look forward, not back"....

...has been a horrid, horrid strategy to use in the face of GOP criming for decades now.

Republicans have been pushing up against the law and across boundaries and we know it. Too many times, the excesses and the actual crimes have been set aside.

That was always a mistake. Always.

And now we pay and pay and pay.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

50. +1!

Truth.

[montanacowboy]

5. Damn straight!

I have thought and said this for years. They won't stop till they run over us with bulldozers and bury our freedom. They are on a life long quest and have been marching successfully toward their destruction of the American State.
They can see their final goal in sight and believe me they will get worse. We are in for a bumpy ride. And we have to stop playing nice.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

95. I would say its a generations long quest.

[Deuxcents]

6. Agree. Been nice too long

So now it’s time to fight like we mean it. The “or else” is unacceptable

[BlueJac]

7. I am recommending this post.

Thanks for speaking freely!

[WinstonSmith4740]

8. Absolutely!

I think a lot of us here feel the same way. "We're better than this" has gotten us to the point of losing it all. Screw 'em. Like all bullies, they'll fold when they're confronted.

[onecaliberal]

9. We passed it long ago.

I really hope people are ready.

[flamingdem]

11. Harsh to hear the cable talking heads having to mentio that the Paul Pelosi attacker "previously

made posts about left wing ideology" - twenty years ago or something. Then making the comparison to his current beliefs.

Oh right it's just the same.

I'm done.

[halfulglas]

17. "Left wing ideology." For F sake, I hope so. Left wing does not mean radical.

He's married to the Speaker of the House who is a Democrat and damn good at her job. They would expect him to post Republican ideology maybe? They really stretch everything to make it sound like a victim contributed to the harm done. We are supposed to be passive and excuse everything they say and do in their stochastic terrorism but they reach back and bring up something from years ago in which he said something a - wait for it - Democrat would say.

[Ligyron]

67. They are reporting the attacker had left wing indicators.

Not Mr. Pelosi

[Hiawatha Pete]

12. K&R

[Funtatlaguy]

13. I'm with you. I screamed about Fox News since it's inception.

I was only greeted with the notion that freedom of the press guarantees lying and propagandizing as being a-ok.

[hadEnuf]

73. You bet.

We have sat and watched FOX news and right wing hate media turn into the fucking monster it is today.

We could have tried an updated version of the Fairness Doctrine or tried to match their media propaganda with a popular truthful news platform. Something.

But many, many were not listening and little to nothing has really been done.


I'm not trying to be defeatist because I still think we can do something, but we really need to snap into reality about what we are dealing with here.

[Funtatlaguy]

103. The money people needed a dumbed down populace. Rupert Murdoch

gave it to them.
The low tax, low regulation people knew how to scare up their foot soldiers.
GGG (God, Guns, & Gays) always works in America.
I now believe that this country, my country is no longer worth saving.
The bigotry, hatred, and cruelty have been fully exposed.
The money folks are well on their way to ruling over a pseudo Christian theocracy.
Oh well, America had a decent run as the world’s finest democracy. Sadly, it’s about over.

[panader0]

14. K&R

[Hekate]

15. I'm with you, PCI

[hamsterjill]

16. How many times have I been chastised on here

For suggesting that Democrats need to fight Republicans like Republicans fight Democrats?

But it’s true now, has always been true and will be true in the future. Until we learn it, they will always be the bully.

[Bettie]

22. And we have the advantage of fighting back with truth

but we need to be direct about what they really are and what they are trying to do.

[Grasswire2]

80. Yep

"When they go low, we go high" was also a mistake (as much as I love Michelle Obama)


Should have nailed their ugly RW hides to the wall with every outrage.

[KPN]

18. Yup. That's what it feels like it comes down to --

“saving the species”. It may sound hyperbolic, but I’m not willing to take that chance myself.

[UTUSN]

19. K&R

[Ferrets are Cool]

20. I'm with ya.

Just maybe, if "we" had not played so nice after jr stole the 2000 election, we wouldn't be in this fucking mess.

[stage left]

21. K&R

Far from alerting on this thread, I fervently applaud it! You take the high road with these guys, they trample you. They are not your Father's Republicans.

[vlyons]

23. Today we call them Christo-Fascists, but make no mistake

The established Christian Church has been running over people for 2000 years. Please note, that I make a distinction between the sweet folks, who actually practice the teachings of Jesus about practicing peace, compassion, forgiveness, and tolerance, and the establishment that is solely interested in power and wealth. The established Church has a long long history of waging war against whole nations of non-Christians, murdering and torturing dissenters, and suppressing and controlling women. Why would today's Christo-Fascists be any different?

[SouthernDem4ever]

106. What made us different was separation of church and state

which for a while, sidelined their weirdness. Too bad it's coming apart now.

[BaronChocula]

24. I want you in my foxhole

I've suggested some potential messaging against the Dork Side here on DU, not with the intention of changing minds of dug-in simpletons, but with the intention of dissuading idiotic swing voter types who generally side with dominant messaging. When I suggest dominant messaging I've received disheartening replies here reflected below.

-Where's the data that supports that
-It won't work
-If we do this, they're just gonna do that
-What's to stop them from doing the same thing
-It'll never happen

I liken these people to boxers who never enter the ring because if they hit their opponent, their opponent will hit them back. The rest of us know what fighting is all about. And I do need to shout out to the other DUers open and supportive to dominant messaging. Thanks for this post!

[spanone]

25. ...K&R...

[SalamanderSleeps]

26. An assasination is merely an attack. Really?

I'm getting tired of the News folk are compelled soften their reporting thus rendering it useless. According, to the standards that present day reporting adheres to John Wilkes Booth would be described as a passionate, misguided, thespian instead of a cold blooded killer.

Does anyone actually believe that David Wayne DePape would have stopped swinging his hammer if the police had not arrived?

He needs to go to jail forever.

He is obviously prone to lethal behavior directed at others.

He is the latest version of the "Son of Sam."

Except, the difference is that Q-Anon, Right Wing Media, and the Republican Party are not a supposedly telepathic dog.

They just talk like one.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

96. I think most magats

And republicans are sociopaths ever notice anything they vote for creates more suffering and death for the majority of people?

[NoMoreRepugs]

27. Totally agree PCI - too many here want to bring home baked cookies

to a street fight.

[alterfurz]

104. and parliamentary procedure

[BunnyMcGee]

28. Agreed

I have no problem with your post.

[H2O Man]

29. I believe in non-violence.

Put that shit head in a room with me. Give him the hammer. And within 5 minutes, I promise he will never commit another act of violence. Or take up any more oxygen.

[Scrivener7]

30. Kick. Yep.

[DET]

31. The ironic thing is...

…we don’t even have to lie. The other side is so despicable that all we have to do is tell the truth to fight back. As for eating our own, the self flagellation for perceived minor transgressions has gone too far. We have child rapists and violent spousal abusers, not to mention inveterate liars and cheaters, on the other side. Obama’s recent stump speeches show that you can be effective without being offensive just by vigorously and unapologetically telling the truth.

[WheelWalker]

32. I agree. Subtlety is over rated as a long suit and seldom takes a trick.

[usonian]

33. Re-Re-Repost: Threatening an elected official and certain others is a FEDERAL CRIME.

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17301456
In response to:
'Enough Is Enough': Biden Rips Attack On Paul Pelosi, Right-Wing Hate That Fueled It
https://democraticunderground.com/100217299651

Repubs are worried about crime?
PROPOSAL:
Prosecute Threats and Hate Crime. EVERY FUCKING ONE OF THEM, PAST AND PRESENT
They are documented, public record, and flipping the finger at the law.
People with no moral compass will do any vile thing, and increasingly so if not held accountable.

JUST DO IT



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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threatening_government_officials_of_the_United_States
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/115

[brooklynite]

37. So the DOJ filed charges against DePape today....but apparent Garland isn't doing his job?

Well, at least we having something new for people to complain about.

[usonian]

48. I wasn't talking about attempted murder, just threats. That covers a large number of idiots.

Equal justice means that whether a millionaire or a yokel whose net worth is negative get the same treatment for the same crime: making a threat on a public official.

Mister DePape is no more or less credible than any one of them.

I'm afraid that merely logging threats in a file cabinet in the basement of some building is not enough.

Hang Mike Pence? I think they would have put a zip tie around his neck.

FOR THE LULZ.

[reACTIONary]

57. +100 nt

[Tommymac]

34. SOLIDARITY! 👊

It's like Tough Love.

Someone's gotta do it.

[aggiesal]

35. You should be really watch this ...

It's 45 minutes long.
It's scary and it's good.

[Kid Berwyn]

36. Word.

The fascist pukes aren’t interested in democracy or good governance or anything other than their own accumulation of power and wealth, not necessarily in that order.

[alwaysinasnit]

38. Did you happen to see the lastest attack, in PA no less?

Candidate for Fayette Pa. House seat attacked.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217306363

[musette_sf]

39. K to the R

[ffr]

40. K&R

What a breath of fresh air!!!!

PCIntern, you're not alone. I've have my share of similar posts flagged and removed. To offer to do to the other side what they've been heaping upon us, is from what I've gathered, uncalled for.

You're 100% correct. Once a democrat stands up to a republican, they're so shocked, they rarely have anything to say. Some of that has to so with the outburst of emotion, from the years of pent up frustration. Nobody enjoys being someone else's punching bag when we all know full well, they're wrong on every level.

[LiberalLovinLug]

41. I'm troubled by the business-as-usual approach by most Democrats running

They are treating this like any other election.
Making jokes, trying to be down homey, relaxed and comfortable.

All that is good when its "normal".

But the nation is at a crossroads. Even if Democrats win the House and Senate, which they probably won't, the country is still getting sicker every day. No doubt there'd be all kinds of violence if that happened. And maybe even more if Republican win. Because they'll feel even more emboldened.

This should be a dead serious campaign. Raising the danger of creeping Fascism. Call out Fox News, and prominent Republicans by name, saying they want a Putin style authoritarian state, and if they lose their districts they are going to try and defy the will of the people and install themselves.

There seems to be a tendency to not get too close to that truth. All due respect to Obama, but another OP in here is praising him and saying what he said about choice for Americans being the focal message and the way to close the message. That is way way too meek at this point. We have to actually alarm people. We have to cause so much shit disturbing that Republicans start crying about being called out. Lindsey should be called a Fascist. For supporting Trump, an insurrectionist.

We have to get those who wouldn't normally vote. And the independents that are on the fence.

[Bayard]

42. K&R

[FoxNewsSucks]

43. Couldn't agree more.

And anyone who would alert on that post has no business on a liberal Democratic website.

It's now or never. Long past time to take off the gloves.

[bringthePaine]

44. realz

[Warpy]

45. kEEP SAYING IT

I certainly had enough posts removed by word jumpers and other cretins who didn't know the difference between constructive criticism and bashing. I've pointed out that the mealy mouthed DLC were originally funded by the Koch brothers and that "social liberal, fiscal conservative" might sound great to people who didn't think about that too hard, but neither were our friends.

For years, I begged candidates to tell the truth and shame the devils. No need to stoop to their pejoratives, just list all the things the SOB in question voted against and ask how much food that took out of the mouths of the children of his constituents. Or take on the ones who have been much married and much divorced and ask if they're qualified to lecture anyone else on morality. Or take on a Qbot and ask if they really want someone that gullible in Washington DC.

Just tell the damned truth. Cockroaches always run from the light.

And yes, I'm still furious about losing Franken, also.

(The species will survive but we're fast mutators, we will likely survive very differently)

[Initech]

47. I agree! Time to stop playing nice with fascists!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

49. There is no acceptable middle ground between democracy and NatCs, Nazis, Q, theocracy.

The radicalized Republican party, and the billionaires behind it, admire Putin and Orban. This is their vision for the U.S.

[MiHale]

51. Damn straight...KnR

Time to start kicking ass.

[Pyryck]

52. WWII reference

There is no group of allied nations that will mount an invasion of our shores to save us and them and the rest of the world from the fascists' takeover of America.

[betsuni]

53. What do you mean by "get down to the level"?

I still see people bashing Hillary Clinton for calling racists "deplorables" in 2016, see Democrats call out Republicans all the time.

Democrats don't try to win people over by "righteousness." Populists do that.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

102. If people think aping the MAGAts by going populist, embracing violence, and "going low"

is a good strategy, I stand apart from them.

And I will fight for the soul of my party and it's traditions as a liberal party that speaks to the best in human nature (as opposed to embracing hatred and rage).

We can defeat evil by doing good work and embracing reason and the rule of law. If we abandon our values, we lose.

This is by far the most depressing thread I've ever read on this forum.

[betsuni]

108. Angry hateful populism had some popularity with the more gullible in 2016 and it's all

very dramatic and emotional -- that moral righteousness -- but clearly liberal Democrats aren't interested and know it's not the answer.

Not the time to let one's emotions cloud judgement. Bad things happen, you can't control it, things aren't fair, but you have to deal with it as best you can. Blaming Democrats for not doing enough when the last two Democratic administrations had a Republican-controlled Congress for six of the eight years, and this one with a 50-50 senate always annoys me. It's an "excuse" they say. If Democrats were only passionate enough and "fight" and say just the right words, miracles would easily happen! It's like in children's book where animals can talk and there's always a happy ending.

[BSdetect]

54. It was not that we gave an inch and they took a mile. They stole the inch first.

[SallyHemmings]

55. Hell Yeah

They have been whipping our backsides while we have been intellectualizing them. And they stopped listening long time ago.

[Meowmee]

56. Yep totally agree

No alerts from me. People have been alerting my posts as well I am sure but not for that reason I can’t remember what it was for now, prolly speaking my mind about what is going on with Covid. Very odd on a Democratic forum that you’re getting shut down and censored for telling the truth.


Apparently being polite is more important than survival and freedom for some.

[RedSpartan]

58. "When they go low, we go high" hasn't worked out so well, has it?

[bucolic_frolic]

59. "It is time to pull out all stops and go for broke."

What does that even mean? Evil always wins in the short run until goodness surfaces and triumphs in the long run.

Rule of law is not being forceful nor swift enough. Our legal system rewards those with money. Most of us could not underwrite even a middling lawsuit.

There has never been a movement to expedite the courts. Petty appeals take 3-6 weeks or more. Yet money when it wants gets SCOTUS fast track.

Enforcement power of rule of law is pusillanimous against brigands and is only as good as the personnel.

Democracy needs political and enforcement power to defend it. We don't have the horses anymore.

[Baggies]

60. You do you

Count me out. I prefer to stay hinged.

[The Jungle 1]

61. Christianity is in free fall.

Americans are leaving Christianity in droves. The religion was at 90% in the 70s. It is in the 60% range now and fell 10% in the last ten years. What these Christo fascist are doing is not working and Americans are rejecting them.
It is my opinion that Americans are leaving Christianity because Christian leadership is not following Christ's teachings.
I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me.
Matthew 25:35
Christ taught forgiveness.
Christ taught us not to judge. He explained who would do the judging.
The right completely ignores these teachings and is destroying Christianity. They blame the left however it is their fault.

[Stuart G]

62. K & R

[yardwork]

63. The Democratic messaging needs to change drastically.

Whoever is guiding the Democratic Party's overall messaging strategy appears to be stuck in the 90s. They don't seem to understand social media. (I don't understand it either; that's why I shouldn't be in charge. We need people who understand it to be in charge of it.)

American voters keep showing us that they want radical change. The Republican candidates are extreme - and they're getting hundreds of millions of votes. The DNC responds by running bland campaigns. PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF THE MIDDLE.

We need radical messaging. The vast majority of voters disagree with the Republican platform BUT WE NEVER TALK ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN PLATFORM.

Where are the ads telling America that the Republicans want to take away social security and Medicare?

Sorry to shout in your thread but I want to amplify your message. We're mealy-mouthing our way to extinction.

[Paladin]

64. +1,000,000!

Beautifully expressed, PCI, and oh so timely. The sickest and most dangerous elements of the fascist rightwing have been allowed to flourish, on account of our wimpy "we're better than this" mantra. We need to do whatever is necessary...to save our species and our country.

[Hela]

65. They are all in for political violence at every level

and I won't be surprised next week when there are incidents at polling places, or drivers mowing down lines of voters in heavily democratic precincts.

[Tansy_Gold]

66. You're not alone

I've been here maybe a bit longer, and I've taken heat for some of the things I've posted, so I stay quietly in my own corner of DU, but I woke up to this in my inbox today:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/10/29/political-violence-1850s-paul-pelosi-00064107

Pundits like to take refuge in the saccharine refrain, “this is not who we are,” but historically, this is exactly who we are. Political violence is an endemic feature of American political history. It was foundational to the overthrow of Reconstruction in the 1870s and the maintenance of Jim Crow for decades after.

But today’s events bear uncanny resemblance to an earlier decade — the 1850s, when Southern Democrats, the conservatives of their day, unleashed a torrent of violence against their opponents. It was a decade when an angry and entrenched minority used force to thwart the will of a growing majority, often with the knowing support and even participation of prominent elected officials.

That’s the familiar part of the story. The less appreciated angle is how that growing majority eventually came to accept the proposition that force was a necessary part of politics.

Added emphasis is mine.

Perhaps it's been posted elsewhere, but it seemed appropriate to drop it here.

And now back to my quiet little corner.

[PCIntern]

69. Excellent. Thank you for that.

[The Grand Illuminist]

68. One does not need to endorse or condone......

when there is no other options available. That's called unfortunate necessities.

[calimary]

70. No alert or argument from me. You're completely spot-on.

The time to be nice is LONG GONE!

[Pacifist Patriot]

71. I honestly don't know why the Democrats don't go for the jugular. We don't have to lie to do it.

Use their own words, deeds, and policies against them. It may feel dirty to some, but get the fuck over it. If they said it or did it, make a damn ad about it and plaster the internet with the truth. It only feels dirty because dirt is all they have anymore.

[FakeNoose]

82. SCOTUS enabled them with their Citizens United ruling in 2010

And now it's 12 years later ... and here we are. The Supreme Court is playing the long, long game.

[treestar]

75. What is hard to handle is that "being better than that"

used to work. It is disheartening that now, it does not. The charlatan is rewarded.

[Pacifist Patriot]

76. We also have to realize that in their current position, being better gives us an awful lot of room!

[Moostache]

77. Amen! Hear, hear!!!

Save American Democracy?

1) we have NEVER been a democracy in the purest sense
2) our representative republic is in dire need of restructuring
3) one of the two political parties is fighting with tanks, the other is using non-harsh language and discussing feelings

Bullies understand one thing and one thing only - a punch square to the fucking jaw. Its nice to fantasize about being able to sit down and use our words and express our emotions and peacefully resolve disputes - and that CAN work, but only amongst empathetic adults. When one party has the emotional development of a 3rd grade playground, you're wasting your time trying to convince them to grow up.

I would have thought the prevalence of "Fuck your feelings" shirts would have made this clear years ago...apparently not.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

97. Even the dali lama says

There is a purpose to righteous anger,even if it is fierce.
You cant be one with something that could destroy you.

[c-rational]

78. K&R. Well said and completely agree. I had one post removed when I first joined DU for suggesting

that we also project our 2nd Amendment rights. Hopefully, we as a group are beginning to realize you cannot bring a knife to a gunfight and expect to win.

[hay rick]

79. If we want to save the species we need to rethink what it means to be an American.

Current American culture, which always places consumer values and personal comfort above obligations to the community, needs to be plowed under.

[jaxexpat]

81. I like the cut of your jib, mate.

And I don't think I'm being too facetious when I blame auto-correct for a good portion of this shit.

[republianmushroom]

83. I like the post

[DENVERPOPS]

84. BRAVO, PCINTERN!!!!!!!!

The Republicans are using guerrilla warfare, and have for years.

[flying_wahini]

85. I know in Texas The Republicans are running absolutely VILE ads using fear, fear and fear.

Meanwhile Collier, Beto (and others that put together some cash) run gauzy type ads that address Real issues. Way too nice for my taste. Paxton is a criminal as is Dan Patrick and of course Abbott ads don’t mention ANY policy EVER. Abbott shows photos after his accident that left him paralyzed and talked about hard he had to work after his Dad died. Boo fuckin hoo.

No Policies are even mentioned. All about character assignation.

[Genki Hikari]

86. My grandmere always used to say

That you can't reach indecent people with decency. To them, decency is for chumps.

She said this when my mother got mad at me more for coming home with a torn dress than for the bloody nose and black eye I got during a fight with a bully at school. The fight I got into defending my brother who started the whole mess...and if His Majesty had come home with one hair out of place, you can bet I would have been in trouble for that, too.

So my idiot brother insisted on trying to hang out with the worst bullies at school, even though they clearly hated him, and they started in on him, shoving him and clapping his head where I could see. That's when I jumped in and did what my cowardly scumbag brother couldn't and wouldn't: I shoved back, and fought with all my might. Even though I was a girl. Even though I was at least 30 pounds lighter and close to half a foot shorter. But I knew I had to do it, or I'd never get out of daily butt-whoopings at home if His Majesty came home unhappy, or, worse still, with a boo-boo, never mind a black eye. No matter who did it, it would be my fault, and thus I'd be in trouble for it.

That's just how things were when I was a kid.

My grandmother made me my favorite cake for taking down the bullies as a reward, because she knew the score after raising 7 boys. There comes a time when you have to fight bullies in the only way they understand, or you'll never have any peace.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

87. What does it mean that you want to "get down to the level of these Christofascist-Nazis

and do what has to be done?"

[Martin68]

88. I'm afraid you are right pcintern. I am one of those who used to believe reason was persuasive and

that most Republicans actually did love their country. That train has left the station.

[TxVietVet]

89. I call them conservanazis.

Since they installed druggie limpbaugh as propaganda minister, the conservanazis have obsessed one thing: total and absolute power. They don’t care if they destroy the country to get it.

[Joinfortmill]

90. Amen to that

[Jade Fox]

91. MAGAs are miserable, stupid, lazy people......

Sorry, but they are.

[calimary]

92. Totally and ruthlessly with you, my friend.

[PatrickforB]

93. I'm with you for sure. I've been (figuratively) crucified on here for saying the Democrats

don't message well. We don't.

Look at what Biden is now doing. He actually READ the Republican plan to cut Social Security and Medicare to people in Florida. THAT'S what I'm talking about! THAT is what we all need to be doing.

And Obama's booming speech - he and Biden are taking off the gloves. WE ALL need to take off our gloves as well.

Like Alice Cooper sang so many years ago...No more Mr. Nice Guy!

[I_UndergroundPanther]

94. Been trying to say the same thing

We have to attack the repugs as viciously and truthfully with no mercy, no skeleton left behind.and if the ass talks over you tell him to shut up and finish your thought get the verbal bullies to think twice about talking over someone on the Dem side.
Moderator journalists fail to shut these assholes down its time for us to do it.

[Faygo Kid]

98. I didn't want it to come to this - but it has.

I'm 71 and the only thing I can add is that I remember warning friends about the message from a then-obscure radio talk show host in 1990.

His name is Rush Limbaugh, and we live in the dystopian world he created.

Glad I outlived him, and hoping to do the same with Trump.

[Evolve Dammit]

100. He spawned hundreds, if not thousands of mouthpieces to spew the same shit that has brought us to

this. And the Orange Chosen One gave him a "Presidential Medal of (puke) Freedumb." And the ignorant masses lapped up the propaganda like warm milk every day for decades.

[Evolve Dammit]

99. You were and are, right. Spot on for 18+ years.

[11 Bravo]

101. Fuckin' A, Bubba!

It's time for Dems to stop bringing pea shooters to a gun fight.

[llmart]

105. +1000

I've lived long enough to know that there are times when being the reasonable one, being the considerate one, being the cooperative one, only gives the bullies an in-road to taking advantage of all those nice qualities and sticking it to you every chance they get.

I have no problem at all with your post. It's time we take off the gloves and fight dirty like they do. It makes me sad that it's come to this in my lifetime, but this is the country we live in at this point in time. We can analyze how we got to this point ten ways to Sunday, but that doesn't help us deal with reality.

[TigressDem]

107. Attempted murder. And attempted kidnapping of the Speaker of the House are the charges.

He had a hammer. He broke in and tried to bash Paul Pelosi's head in with it.
Attempted murder.

He was hoping Nancy was going to be there and he had plans to take her down. Not clear plans, but enough that those charges stick. And because of who she is, it's also seditious conspiracy, I think.


These are not minor charges.


IF NANCY HAD BEEN IN TOWN, then you could call it an attempted assassination attempt.

Maybe FAILED assassination attempt.

AGAIN not because he didn't WANT TO but because people afraid of books don't use their brains much.