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usonian

(26,923 posts)
Tue Nov 1, 2022, 08:19 PM Nov 2022

Wikipedia Founder Jimmy Wales Is Working On A Twitter Rival.

https://www.slashgear.com/1078436/wikipedia-founder-jimmy-wales-is-working-on-a-twitter-rival/

Ever since Elon Musk took over Twitter, it's been a tumultuous time on the site. Understandably, a certain percentage of users are not happy at all with the sudden and drastic change in leadership. Many users are rightly worried that the promised lack of moderation and supposed "censorship" will leave users from vulnerable communities susceptible to harassment, bullying, threats, and a host of other problems.

Predictably, Twitter alternatives have popped up in an effort to attract a new userbase who wants to escape from the prospect of a Musk run and moderated Twittersphere. One such existing Twitter alternative is Mastadon, a flexible open-source social media platform that looks promising but has its own host of pitfalls. Some enterprising Twitter users have even suggested starting their own social media platform. Jimmy Wales, the founder of everyone's favorite college paper primary source Wikipedia, has proposed plans for a rival to the Elon's bird-site.

While still in its infancy, Wales hopes to turn WT.Social into a full-fledged social media platform that does away with the algorithm and will "rank based on trust," according to a Twitter thread posted this morning. According to WT.Social's homepage, it calls itself "The non-toxic social network."

Essentially, instead of relying on an algorithm determined to make you scroll forever, WT.Social will prioritize content based on which accounts the users trust. According to Wales: "I don't know if it will be perfect, and I'm sure we'll have to adjust on the way, but it has to be better than this hellsite, yeah?" A social media platform based entirely on trust may have its own downsides, but it could also be a step in the right direction. Wales says that this new trust-based ranking system will be at the center of a "totally revamped" version of the app that will be going live at some point in the near future.


https://wt.social/

The non-toxic social network

Welcome to a place where advertisers don’t call the shots.
Where your data isn’t packaged up and sold.
Where you – not algorithms – decide what you see.
Where you can directly edit misleading content.
Where bad actors are kicked out and kept out.
Where you actually like spending time.
Welcome to social media the way it should be.
Welcome to WT.Social.



See also:
Some Alternatives to Twitter
https://www.lifewire.com/best-twitter-alternatives-5114545
The 7 Best Twitter Alternatives in 2022
More micro-blogging platforms you should try this year.

Oddly, they left out Discord.
https://discord.com/
Imagine a place...
...where you can belong to a school club, a gaming group, or a worldwide art community. Where just you and a handful of friends can spend time together. A place that makes it easy to talk every day and hang out more often.

Create an invite-only place where you belong
Discord servers are organized into topic-based channels where you can collaborate, share, and just talk about your day without clogging up a group chat.

They have a moderation academy!
https://discord.com/moderation
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Wikipedia Founder Jimmy Wales Is Working On A Twitter Rival. (Original Post) usonian Nov 2022 OP
I throw them a donation every now and again Historic NY Nov 2022 #1
I do too. And now - EVERYONE SHOULD! NM Grins Nov 2022 #6
me too, and I'm Brainstormy Nov 2022 #11
I'm A Monthly Donor ProfessorGAC Nov 2022 #26
Thx for posting! Good to know there will be alternatives. I'm done with twitter PortTack Nov 2022 #2
Kicking for visibility SheltieLover Nov 2022 #3
Perhaps, this is a silver lining with Musk's takeover of Twitter. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2022 #4
Thank you. Pinback Nov 2022 #5
KICK Rachel M at 6 pm Nov 2022 #7
Twitter didn't get formed as an alternative to something else... brooklynite Nov 2022 #8
To me, it's a matter of whether you want community or "infinite reach" usonian Nov 2022 #10
✔️ ✔️ ✔️ msfiddlestix Nov 2022 #15
It was an alternative to Tumblr BumRushDaShow Nov 2022 #12
✔️ msfiddlestix Nov 2022 #16
I remember seeing a lot of Tumblr all over the internet BumRushDaShow Nov 2022 #18
Tumblr used to be "it" usonian Nov 2022 #21
Well in this case BumRushDaShow Nov 2022 #23
Vanity AND greed. It's a WONDERFUL life! usonian Nov 2022 #24
Hope it Turns Out Good For Cha Nov 2022 #9
trying to figure out what the reference to WT means associated with the name of the new platform. msfiddlestix Nov 2022 #13
WT acronyms abound. usonian Nov 2022 #25
Took a look and two observations... brooklynite Nov 2022 #14
I signed up :-) Maru Kitteh Nov 2022 #17
Found you! Thanks for the star. usonian Nov 2022 #20
You're very welcome! When I've seen your OPs they're always positive, Maru Kitteh Nov 2022 #27
Wouldn't it be nice if Twitter after the Musk takeover... SKKY Nov 2022 #19
That is actually intriguing ismnotwasm Nov 2022 #22
Intersting... progressoid Nov 2022 #28

Historic NY

(40,172 posts)
1. I throw them a donation every now and again
Tue Nov 1, 2022, 08:21 PM
Nov 2022

they have a new format that works well with foxfire.

ProfessorGAC

(77,533 posts)
26. I'm A Monthly Donor
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 01:37 PM
Nov 2022

I know there are sometimes errors, and edits are fully vetted, but I find it a very valuable sevice.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,874 posts)
4. Perhaps, this is a silver lining with Musk's takeover of Twitter.
Tue Nov 1, 2022, 08:45 PM
Nov 2022

It]s not like the users are the stakeholders. They are free to migrate elsewhere. Perhaps to an even better mass communication network. This might be a good option and I have great respect for what this guy has done in supplying a digital encyclopedia for everyone to access.

Or maybe there will be smaller alternatives. DU might see some positive growth, I hope. I know we have the best moderated board on the net with the MRT system that is in place. I also like how users get to elevate stories to the Home Page. That gives you important insisght to current news and events.

I kinda wish DU would have a Hall of Fame type location to allow the best and most commented posts to have a permanent location with a link off the Homepage.

Pinback

(13,688 posts)
5. Thank you.
Tue Nov 1, 2022, 08:48 PM
Nov 2022

Jimmy Wales is a great guy. If his network is as good as Wikipedia, it will be massively successful. I’ll keep an eye on this.

Interesting info about Discord. I occasionally see links to and mentions of Discord, but I haven’t been sure it was worth my time. I’ll take a look.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
8. Twitter didn't get formed as an alternative to something else...
Tue Nov 1, 2022, 11:32 PM
Nov 2022

Any platform that offers a refuge for people from Twitter will be doomed to failure. Their technology and feature set will have to stand on its own.

usonian

(26,923 posts)
10. To me, it's a matter of whether you want community or "infinite reach"
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 12:37 AM
Nov 2022

A human can relate meaningfully to no more than 150 people.

By associating with like-minded people, you can have some influence in order to make things better.

Plus, I really choose to keep garbage out of my brain. Just being aware of stuff, in a "Wikipedia" kind of way, is enough to help me do positive things.

Like DU:


Or like twitter:


Some things, especially ideas, deserve to be quality ones.
Like physicians! Go for cheap and mass-produced?

Not so good.


We're mostly middle-class (or what's left of it) or retired, on DU
But I do get a sense that our good ideas find their way into the bully pulpit or the hands of influential (translation:rich) people.

Just found this:
https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/elon-musk-exposes-the-truth/
Elon Musk exposes the truth -- Nobody is happy with the private public square.
Open Rights Group

CC license, free to reprint in its entirety:
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/

The basic problem, as we have spelt out many times, is that:

Moderation of content at scale is extremely difficult; and
The attention business model pushes provocative content as it engages users

What users need is pretty clear. They need greater control over what content they receive, how it is prioritised and how it is presented. The way this is done, in a digital world, is to create more “open” systems that allow third parties to repurpose, filter and represent content in ways that users want. This can and should include better ways to moderate content.

A few years ago, a number of people who were very unhappy with what they perceive as the toxic environment on Twitter decided to create Mastodon, a platform which prides itself on ensuring a much more welcoming environment. It provides features like user “content warnings”.

However, the really clever thing about Mastodon is that it is not is single website, with a single moderator. Rather, it is many services that talk to each other. The result is that moderation on Mastodon services is much better. Small numbers of people police other people. So far it has managed to scale to around 5 million users. Given the low toleration given to abuse and negligent servers, this seems to work pretty well.

There is a lot to explain and think about with the concept of ‘federated social media’, but to make it simpler, think about email – which is not owned by a single company, but works across many and any; or even your mobile telephone, which can call any other telephone, regardless of the network.

Federated social media is not owned by a single company and cannot be bought or sold, even if individual services can. This places users in a much better relationship with their providers, because it is possible to move provider without losing your networks and contacts.

In principle, there is no reason why Mastodon could not federate with Twitter. It is Twitter’s choice to prevent this. Of course, it suits Twitter to keep its users within a walled garden. To do otherwise would create new competition and allow some users to move away.


Monopoly: BIG
Monopoly: You have no value, nor influence. Monopolies buy politicians first, their "lever of control"

msfiddlestix

(8,187 posts)
15. ✔️ ✔️ ✔️
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 08:12 AM
Nov 2022

Very interesting and useful information, thank you.

Interesting point about the meaningful reach of 150 people. That puts a great deal in perspective for me.

I think this is the second or third time I've seen a reference to Mastodon. but didn't quite get the full picture.

toons are great too!







BumRushDaShow

(173,055 posts)
12. It was an alternative to Tumblr
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 06:23 AM
Nov 2022

and honed in on modernizing the earlier tech of the long-form "blogs" ( "weblogs" ), where that (often commentary) content would be regularly updated by the blog's owner .

In a way, Twitter, took the blog concept and made it into a distribution-style platform like the old LISTSERVs were (and still are).

BumRushDaShow

(173,055 posts)
18. I remember seeing a lot of Tumblr all over the internet
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 08:51 AM
Nov 2022

and it seemed to be a way that "everyone" could "blog" stuff. Before then, the "blogs" were usually the long-form type stuff at either a self-created website or some established topic site, where people could then post comments to that blog entry - sortof like how you see DKos set up.

usonian

(26,923 posts)
21. Tumblr used to be "it"
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 12:28 PM
Nov 2022

albeit for short posts mostly, and "adult" photos.
But it changed hands several times, and along the way p0rn was banned.
Tumblr kind of disappeared.

https://www.eff.org/tossedout/tumblr-ban-adult-content
What Tumblr’s Ban on 'Adult Content' Actually Did

In December of 2018, blogging platform Tumblr announced a new ban on “adult content,” a wonderfully vague term that wasn’t so much defined in later posts as made more confusing.

And there’s a lot to say about the effect of this ban. About the queer and sex-postive communities that felt threatened and erased.


Latest owner has had a change of heart.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/parenting/four-years-after-banning-adult-content-tumblr-is-bringing-back-nudity/ar-AA13ETQ7
Four Years After Banning Adult Content, Tumblr Is Bringing Back Nudity

https://www.tumblr.com/staff/696482214233440256/introducing-community-labels-as-you-know-art-and
Introducing: Community Labels

As you know, art and artists make Tumblr what it is. We want everyone on Tumblr to be able to fully express themselves while also having control over what they encounter on their dashboards. That’s why we’re introducing Community Labels, an extension to your “Content you see” settings. Our ultimate goal is to create a more open Tumblr, and this is our first step in that direction.

As a poster and reblogger, Community Labels are your way to help your followers avoid anything they’d rather not come across on their dashboards.

As a follower, setting your content preferences is a way to adjust your feed to your own comfort levels.

BumRushDaShow

(173,055 posts)
23. Well in this case
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 12:34 PM
Nov 2022

it looks like Musk wants to directly monetize content like that for Twitter.

And if that is the case, it might end up being the decision between "free" and "paid".

usonian

(26,923 posts)
24. Vanity AND greed. It's a WONDERFUL life!
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 01:13 PM
Nov 2022




He's off to a good start with the mass firings and charges.

Wonder if he'll make it self-driving, like his cars.
https://i.cbc.ca/1.5413964.1578063716!/fileImage/httpImage/image.JPG_gen/derivatives/original_300/tesla-autopilot.JPG

Or "content" to your auto?

msfiddlestix

(8,187 posts)
13. trying to figure out what the reference to WT means associated with the name of the new platform.
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 08:04 AM
Nov 2022

in a few phrases it's referred to as the Non Toxic Netwprk, but elsewhere it is referred to as WT Social.



usonian

(26,923 posts)
25. WT acronyms abound.
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 01:21 PM
Nov 2022
https://www.abbreviationfinder.org/acronyms/wt.html

I especially like
Windfall Tax
White Trash
Walkie Talkie

and
William Tell ( he shoots straight! )
Wales (whatever starts with T)


 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
14. Took a look and two observations...
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 08:09 AM
Nov 2022

1. From what I see, this is a glossier version of Reddit where ordinary people share their opinions in subgroups rather than an ongoing feed. Twitter became valuable because it became a platform for people with real knowledge of a subject to build an audience. I see no sign that WT.Social will achieve that.

2. From what I can see, I'm not likely to encounter anyone with whom I broadly disagree with. If this is simply a refuge from RW voices (however strident) on Twitter, I see no value.

Maru Kitteh

(32,060 posts)
27. You're very welcome! When I've seen your OPs they're always positive,
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 08:43 PM
Nov 2022

uplifting and useful. I love that, and just thought it was the very kind of thing we need more of

Thanks for that gorgeous rainbow. What a lovely evening.

SKKY

(12,814 posts)
19. Wouldn't it be nice if Twitter after the Musk takeover...
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 08:54 AM
Nov 2022

...turns into MySpace after the Rupert Murdoch takeover?

ismnotwasm

(42,674 posts)
22. That is actually intriguing
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 12:30 PM
Nov 2022

All social media platforms are messy in their own way, but I like this idea

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