People should STOP buying Tesla

[samsingh]

and stop your friends and family from doing so.

[maxsolomon]

1. Done.

I'm also boycotting SpaceX.

[Shermann]

2. I'd rather not let the perfect be the enemy of the good

There isn't going to be a perfect solution to the problem of emissions from the transportation sector. A better strategy would be to get behind the horse that actually has a chance of winning this race. That horse is Elon Musk.

[samsingh]

7. tesla is not good. musk is a threat to the world. there are many other good alternatives

[Nictuku]

11. That horse is Elon Musk?

Did you mean Horses Ass? (sorry horses)

[Shermann]

12. Focus on whatever body part you wish

I'm a leg man myself. Legs win races.

[Demsrule86]

13. There will be electric cars and trucks you can buy from GM or Ford...do not enrich further a right

POS.

[Shermann]

17. You mean the also-rans?

The ones with one foot in the EV game, and one foot in the ICE game?

Tesla is the only large American manufacturer with both feet in the EV game. The also-rans got in and are staying in for the moment largely because they are scared shitless that Musk might actually pull this off. At the first sign of trouble, they can cut their losses and go back to burning oil...and with strong Republican support.

We MUST NOT forget that.

[NickB79]

21. What EV advances has he made in the last few years?

The last big thing was the Cyber Truck, and it's nowhere to be seen. In the meantime, Ford and GM have trucks either already on the road or will shortly.

The only major EV advancement from Tesla right now appears to be their semi-trailer, which is cool but rather limited in scale.

Tesla WAS cutting edge 5-10 years ago. Now it's losing it's edge as Musk pursues other passions.

And strong Republican support? Are you forgetting that Musk is a Republican by his own admission?

[jmowreader]

33. The Tesla Semi has a worse problem than the Cybertruck

The companies that make semis are working on electric ones, and they’re farther along than Musk is.

One of the biggest markets for electric heavy duty trucks will be refuse collection. Yup, garbage trucks. One of the biggest players in the garbage truck market is Mack…and, right now, you can buy an electric garbage truck chassis from Mack. Peterbilt has sold 579EV tractors to several customers…and Peterbilt solved the recharging network problem by making the truck compatible with the Tesla charging system.

Musk’s semi is going to be a REALLY hard sell because, thanks to where the seat is, you’re going to have to learn to back the truck all over again. The only real difference between the 579 and 579EV from the driver’s perspective is that the 579EV doesn’t use diesel. From a fleet manager’s perspective the difference between a Tesla Semi and a 579EV is the parts that actually need to be replaced on a semi - namely, brakes - are easier to get for the Pete. You just know Musk used proprietary brakes on this truck; Peterbilt put Meritors on theirs and any truck line in the US already has Meritor brake parts in stock.

[drray23]

16. was Elon musk.

He had a leg up on the competition years ago. He no longer does. Most major car makers are now offering good alternatives at a lower price point.

[Dorian Gray]

25. There are other electric vehicles

you don't have to spend 70,000 on a tesla.

[Cattledog]

3. There are a lot of better EV's than Tesla.

Tesla is overpriced

[Shermann]

8. Tesla and BYD are the only EV manufacturers which are making a profit at this

Models from other manufacturers are currently loss-leaders. So, you could argue that Tesla's are fairly priced while the others are underpriced.

[Demsrule86]

14. Tesla has the worst quality in the industry... and GM and Ford will beat Tesla like a drum...you w

want to support fascists that is up to you. I will not.

[Shermann]

18. Citation?

Consumer Reports gave the 2022 Model 3 a recommendation.

[flvegan]

20. A recommendation is pretty sweet

Consumer Reports top pick 2022 EV though, is the Ford Mustang Mach-E.

https://www.consumerreports.org/hybrids-evs/ford-mustang-mach-e-replaces-tesla-model-3-as-cr-ev-top-pick-a6095541654/

Car & Driver's EV of the year is the Hyundai Ioniq 5 (9/22 issue).

[Demsrule86]

28. He is not making a profit. And the stock is in the tank. Elon Musk is MAGA....don't give him a dime.

[Shermann]

41. I take people at their own word regarding their political beliefs

"To be clear, I am not a conservative. Am registered independent & politically moderate."

- Elon Musk, 2018

[NCjack]

4. I want a Ford F-150 Lightning pickup truck.

[RockRaven]

5. People should ask themselves if they feel confident in the reliability, staying power, etc of any

company run by Elon Musk when the anticipated business-customer relationship is going to last a decade or more and the total customer spending will mid-5 to 6 figures.

Make sure you go into it with your eyes wide open.

[Shermann]

9. See post 8

I like companies which don't lose their shirt making their products.

Porsche's most recent Taycan sales numbers totally sucked.

[Initech]

6. Can't afford one, so I won't!

Even if I could afford one, there's far better choices out there now and from companies that aren't run by total sociopaths either!

[Nictuku]

10. I have reconsidered getting Starlink

It is available where I am, and the only provider where I am is Line-of-site wireless internet. The best they can do (unless I want to pay something like $300/mo) is around 7mbps download, and 1-2mbps for uploads. I am able to stream at the same time someone else is streaming in the house, so it works, but not exactly speedy. (DEFINITELY better than HughesNet, which was barely better than dialup)

So my cousin got Starlink, and he is thrilled with having over 100mbps for downloads, and 20 or something for uploads. He got rid of his cable and is now streaming everything. (I would like to do that, but our internet is just too slow)

So I was about to do it, it would save me money in the long run if I could get rid of cable expenses, but I wasn't too thrilled with Elon and was slow on making a decision.

THEN Elon gave the Ukrainians Starlink, which has helped them immensely. I had to give him credit for doing that. So I was leaning towards getting it.

THEN all the BS with Twitter and Elon buying it happened, and I just soured on him. I was still thinking of holding my nose and going with it for now, until something better was available.

BUT THEN I read that certain areas in Ukraine was having failures of Starlink, areas that were in Russias interest to have failures, and to make it worse, I next saw a Tweet where Elon was asking for the Pentagon to pay for the service in Ukraine. And that really set me off to think an individual like Elon could control the outcome of the War in Ukraine, and after that I saw Elon post on Twitter how he supported letting Russia keep certain areas of Ukraine as Russia.

That did it for me, my decision had been made. Fuck Elon. And this is all before he re-tweeted the vile Paul Pelosi falsehoods when the guy was still in the freaking hospital. I will NEVER get Starlink now. I hope Twitter makes him go broke. I also deleted my Twitter account (which I barely used, but it seems you need it to view links to videos on twitter. I am now searching for stuff I want to see on twitter on Youtube instead). Interestingly enough, even though I turned these notifications off, AND deleted the account, I am still getting emails from twitter about tweets. I can't figure out how to turn them off since I already did in the account before I deleted it.

Anyway, thanks for reading my rant. I feel only slightly better.

[Demsrule86]

15. I agree with every word you said.

[Demsrule86]

29. Check with phone companies. We can now get 5G internet.

[Nictuku]

45. Too rural, I barely get 1 bar for 4G at my house

My cell phone only works on WiFi when I'm home, which doesn't include cellular 5 G (or even 4G), so I hardly use it when at home, which is most of the time now that I'm retired.

[dalton99a]

34. +1

[Autumn]

44. I thought it over real hard. I live in a rural area and when it took them 2 weeks to get my line

repaired for the slowest, shittiest internet ever I put a deposit down on Starlink. My SIL says its great and that was my deciding factor. Starlink is my only decent option.

[Nictuku]

46. My biggest concern is

My biggest concern is that Elon could censor what I can see or do on the internet, based on political affiliations. I just can't risk that. And besides, Fuck Elon!

I totally understand if it is the only decent option. If my line of sight wasn't available, I would be desperate and might hold my nose and do it, but for now, it works well enough.

[miyazaki]

49. Amazon will have its own "Starlink", maybe in five years.

-Project Kuiper.

[Scottie Mom]

22. Teslas are ugly and over priced.

Saw the worst one the other day. Florescent pink and dull black.

[leftyladyfrommo]

27. I think you have to pay extra for colors. nt

[jmowreader]

37. You're right there

That’s why most of the Teslas you see are white. Blue is a $1000 option, black $1500 and red $2000 on the Model 3 and Y; on the S and X red is $2500 and the other colors are $1500.

By comparison, Volkswagen charges $400 for red and all the other colors are no upcharge. Red will always be an upcharge because red car paint is really expensive due to the pigment they use and that it’s fussier to apply, but there’s no damn reason why it’s that much of one.

[Nictuku]

47. I never knew that they charged more for car colors!

Learn something every day!

I had a Chili Red Mini Cooper once upon a time. Actually, I still have it, but it is parked under an Oak Tree on my Cousin's Ranch. It needs a new engine. I need to win that Lottery and I can get it fixed!

[moonscape]

42. I love the sleek door handles. Yes,

I’m superficial like that

[Solomon]

23. I was going to buy a Tesla but now I'm glad I didn't.

Never liked Cadillacs but that new electric one is very appealing.

[Polybius]

24. I wish I could afford one

But I'm poor.

[Captain Zero]

26. Ok, but you have really given me no assignment here.

Just sayin'.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

30. Telling people how to spend their money never works, their answer would be "none of your business"

Boycotts never work for same reason, not everyone has a CAUSE to further, it's their money and will do as they please

[FrankChurchDem]

31. Inherited a Model 3

I'd sell it out of principle but my wife has become rather attached. I will give them top marks for service efficiency. At least for little warranty items. Schedule through the app, show up in a van on time, fix it unattended. I personally have a Polestar 2, which I will never part with. Unfortunately, Tesla's software is far superior to Polestar and Volvo.

[Johnny2X2X]

32. Tesla is being passed by other EVs

I've driven Teslas, they're pretty cool, but I don't think the quality is there right now. And when people talk performance they think of speed and not handling. Well, Tesla accelerates faster than anything out there, 0-60 in 3 seconds or so is insane. But handling is a big part of performance too, and Teslas do not handle well. They have a cheap boxy feel to them on the interior.

There are very exciting new EVs coming out every year right now. I'm at least 3 years from needing another car, so I can wait for the next EV that really has everything I need. The Kia EV6 GT has really piqued my interest and is better quality and a lower cost than the Tesla. And it's still got super car acceleration 0-60 in 3.4s.

[dalton99a]

35. Wait for the next best thing since sliced bread

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/exclusive-tesla-plans-mass-production-start-cybertruck-end-2023-sources-2022-11-01/

Exclusive: Tesla's Cybertruck to start mass production at end of 2023
Reuters
November 1, 2022 4:22 PM CDT

[jmowreader]

39. You mean...

After Ford has been selling F-150 Lightnings for three years and GM will be into their second model year? Ford will probably be selling electric Rangers and maybe electric Mavericks by then.

[Nictuku]

48. My cousin is on a waiting list for the F-150 over a year now

He saw an ad from another automaker (can't remember which one, maybe Dodge) for another EV Truck during the World Series baseball, and when he inquired, he found that they sold out for the next year within 24 hours.

The People Want these vehicles.

[flvegan]

50. *Rivian and Hummer have entered the chat* LOL at that

hunk of shit. And how many F150 Lightning units will have sold before Elon gets his...whatever, up and running.

[RussBLib]

36. No problem there

I was considering a Tesla, but after hearing horror stories about burning Teslas, and seeing what Musk has done to S Texas, no effin' way. Pretty happy with my PHEV, although the range needs to be higher.

[dsp3000]

38. I'd rather have an EV or plug in hybrid from a company with experience in making cars

Give me a Toyota / Lexus Plug in Hybrid or (future EV) any day, or even a VW or KIA over a Tesla. at least they wont have glaring build quality issues like teslas do.

[Liberal In Texas]

40. My Kia Niro PHEV is a really nice vehicle.

Heated and cooled leather seats. Power driver side. Heated steering wheel. Harman Karden stereo system. Lane keeping and parking assist. Auto-folding mirrors. An app for remote starting/locking/location etc. 100,000 mile warranty including the battery. It MSRPed for around $35. I got nearly $9K of that back from federal and state rebates.

Unfortunately, the rebates on foreign cars is gone. I really like that we're encouraging unions and domestic auto production, but it's unfortunate that there are many EVs being made right now that could be replacing ICE cars being sold.

[Johonny]

43. This ended up being my choice in 2020

I wanted a Tesla, but the lack of an actual company, showroom, or any type of guarantee the company wasn't one coke filled night from collapse, made we go for a hybrid from a real car company that acts like a real car company.