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highplainsdem

(63,335 posts)
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 07:48 PM Nov 2022

THIS is what Elon Musk's Twitter has show up as a "Top tweet": 4 likes, 19 followers, illiterate

I commented in another thread - https://democraticunderground.com/100217313045 - on how imbalanced the tweets were when I started skimming Twitter after Biden's speech, doiing keyword searches for both Biden and Biden speech.

The idiocy below showed up near the top of the Top tweets. Sorry I can't do a screenshot and post it, can just link to the tweet.








zipper
@zee_zipper
#bidenspeech
Biden speech tonight
-Your hungry "Fuck you it Jan 6th that's important"
-You can afford anything "Fuck you it Jan 6th that's important"
-You cant afford Gas "Fuck you it Jan 6th that's important""
6:40 PM · Nov 2, 2022
·Twitter Web App
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A tweet with 4 likes, from an account with 19 followers, is now a Top tweet on Twitter if it criticizes Biden enough.
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THIS is what Elon Musk's Twitter has show up as a "Top tweet": 4 likes, 19 followers, illiterate (Original Post) highplainsdem Nov 2022 OP
That tweet has 40 more likes than it did when I spotted it, though the account has only highplainsdem Nov 2022 #1
And I was hungry .... and you gave me food. Mat 25:35 TigressDem Nov 2022 #28
ACTUAL GAS PRICES.... getting better. YOU GOT TIME FOR Jan 6th. Be a REAL Patriot, not a Hate-riot. TigressDem Nov 2022 #33
Now I see why people are leaving .... Lovie777 Nov 2022 #2
RWNJ site yankee87 Nov 2022 #4
As I said in the thread I linked to in the OP, I was seeing 20 RWNJ posts for every post from highplainsdem Nov 2022 #6
Isn't there supposed to be a DISLIKE button? TigressDem Nov 2022 #34
This isn't how their algorithm works Johnny2X2X Nov 2022 #3
Musk has had the algorithm changed. highplainsdem Nov 2022 #5
It's not. Sympthsical Nov 2022 #11
I don't even understand what he's saying RussBLib Nov 2022 #7
What he's trying to say - and English might not be his first language, but he has RW hate down pat - highplainsdem Nov 2022 #8
Well, you've just amplified its message! Emrys Nov 2022 #15
By that standard, every single post on DU quoting or paraphrasing RW messaging does the same highplainsdem Nov 2022 #18
Yup. Emrys Nov 2022 #22
Thank you RussBLib Nov 2022 #16
The reply and OP definitely is amplifying it. Hell, OP's even gone to the trouble of clarifying it! Emrys Nov 2022 #17
I posted the OP because it shows how much Twitter has changed under Musk, that a tweet like that highplainsdem Nov 2022 #19
You insist that if you like. Emrys Nov 2022 #23
Musk said he has not changed anything yet womanofthehills Nov 2022 #32
☝️☝️☝️☝️ PortTack Nov 2022 #20
AI bots are not always intelligent Generic Brad Nov 2022 #10
Probably a bot. mzmolly Nov 2022 #12
-You can afford anything -- Hey Rich People, you can't enjoy life.... Jan 6th is IN YOUR FACE TigressDem Nov 2022 #30
Just glanced, and mine's running 50/50 Sympthsical Nov 2022 #9
I just checked the Top 20 for "Biden speech" again and it was highplainsdem Nov 2022 #13
Here are my top tweets when I search for Biden Emrys Nov 2022 #14
You're seeing what are in effect filtered results. I'm trying to get a more general sense of highplainsdem Nov 2022 #26
Well, most people who use Twitter will be logged in, Emrys Nov 2022 #27
The point I'm making is that the changes at Twitter are affecting search results and what's highplainsdem Nov 2022 #31
Twitter, all social media, is all about bubbles. Emrys Nov 2022 #35
There have been no changes yet womanofthehills Nov 2022 #36
Musk has been reversing Twitter staff suspending RWers for some recent tweets. He's highplainsdem Nov 2022 #37
Zipper looks lika a bot FelineOverlord Nov 2022 #21
I wasn't searching by that hashtag. I was searching by highplainsdem Nov 2022 #25
Capitalism, social media, and growth. A vewpoint keithbvadu2 Nov 2022 #24
So i was looking to see how PJB's Speech Cha Nov 2022 #29
It was a very good speech. And I was skimming Twitter via keyword/name searches highplainsdem Nov 2022 #39
Thanks for reporting it, hpd.. Cha Nov 2022 #40
Probably a Russian bot. Liberal In Texas Nov 2022 #38

highplainsdem

(63,335 posts)
1. That tweet has 40 more likes than it did when I spotted it, though the account has only
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 07:53 PM
Nov 2022

19 followers, or did earlier.

Musk is having this kind of illierate drivel, from someone of no importance, highlighted.

TigressDem

(5,126 posts)
28. And I was hungry .... and you gave me food. Mat 25:35
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 09:26 PM
Nov 2022


TRUMP - barely knows which end of the Bible is up

Biden - regular at Catholic Mass

It shows.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/09/politics/food-stamps-biden-trump/index.html

Biden nixes Trump proposal that would have kicked 3 million off food stamps
By Tami Luhby, CNN
Updated 5:22 PM EDT, Wed June 9, 2021

In one of its latest steps to erase Trump administration policies, the Biden administration has withdrawn a controversial proposal that could have kicked 3 million Americans off of food stamps and cost nearly 1 million children automatic eligibility for free school meals.

The proposal, issued in 2019, would have tightened the rules governing who qualifies for food stamps. It would have curtailed so-called broad-based categorical eligibility, which makes it easier for Americans with somewhat higher incomes and more savings to participate in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, the formal name for food stamps. Republicans have long argued that this expanded eligibility option is a “loophole” that permits those with higher incomes and assets to get public assistance.

RELATED: Biden administration expands pandemic aid to feed 30 million low-income children this summer

Children would have been particularly at risk from the proposed rule change since their families would have lost benefits, and they might have lost access to meals at school, said Luis Guardia, president of the Food Research & Action Center, a left-leaning group. Childhood hunger can affect academic performance, behavior and mental health.

The move comes a few months after the Biden administration put an end to another Trump-era rule that could have stripped food stamps from nearly 700,000 people. That measure, announced in late 2019, would have required more food stamp recipients to work in order to receive benefits by limiting states’ ability to waive existing work mandates.

A US district court judge blocked it from being implemented in March 2020 before striking it down in October. The Justice Department under the Trump administration initially appealed the decision, but after President Joe Biden took office, the agency asked the appellate court to dismiss the appeal, which it did.


yankee87

(2,874 posts)
4. RWNJ site
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 07:57 PM
Nov 2022

Twitter is just becoming another Reich wing nut job forum. No one, other then Qpublican idiots will be on it within six months.

highplainsdem

(63,335 posts)
6. As I said in the thread I linked to in the OP, I was seeing 20 RWNJ posts for every post from
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 08:07 PM
Nov 2022

a Democrat/liberal.

But this piece of illiterate crap really caught my eye. I've never seen anything like this show up as a Top tweet in the past.

Johnny2X2X

(24,469 posts)
3. This isn't how their algorithm works
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 07:56 PM
Nov 2022

This Tweet was promoted by Twitter. No way a guy with 19 followers gets a top Tweet. This is messed up.

Sympthsical

(11,176 posts)
11. It's not.
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 08:39 PM
Nov 2022

That's not how the feed works.

But, we're on about Twitter this week, so I guess new conspiracy.

(I'm really waiting for people to start talking about the fact context corrections are appearing on the White House feed. I figured people would go nuclear over that one).

highplainsdem

(63,335 posts)
8. What he's trying to say - and English might not be his first language, but he has RW hate down pat -
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 08:31 PM
Nov 2022

is that if you're hungry, can't afford to buy anything (here that illiterate twit typed "can" when he meant "can't" ), and can't afford to buy gas, Biden's only response is "Fuck you. It's January 6th that's important."

Emrys

(9,209 posts)
15. Well, you've just amplified its message!
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 08:54 PM
Nov 2022

Try Googling any of the phrases you just typed in the next few hours or less.

highplainsdem

(63,335 posts)
18. By that standard, every single post on DU quoting or paraphrasing RW messaging does the same
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 09:04 PM
Nov 2022

thing.

And so does every Democratic/liberal tweet doing similar quoting or paraphrasing. And a lot of my favorites on Twitter, like Aaron Rupar, will quote or paraphrase RWNJs even when they're posting video.

Emrys

(9,209 posts)
22. Yup.
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 09:09 PM
Nov 2022

That's why I tend not to focus on RW trolls, except on the very rare occasions when they've been unwittingly hilarious.

Think like a troll: "If I wind up some libs enough, maybe they'll reply or re-post my garbage." There's a lot of talk on GD at the moment about lack of positive Democratic messaging this late stage in the elections. I'm not going to join any more dots.

RussBLib

(10,788 posts)
16. Thank you
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 08:58 PM
Nov 2022

...and I don't think you've just "amplified" that message. Trying to understand something is far from agreeing or endorsing it.

Anything can be taken out of context.

Emrys

(9,209 posts)
17. The reply and OP definitely is amplifying it. Hell, OP's even gone to the trouble of clarifying it!
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 09:04 PM
Nov 2022

Twitter's algorithms are not clear, but one thing they measure is engagement. A tweet near the top that riles people will get engagement, and we don't have any way to measure that unless we're Twitter or whoever posted it.

The OP linked directly to the tweet. How is giving it another venue not amplifying it?

If someone's worried about the elections, it could be that there are more useful things to do than chase RW trolls around the interwebs. They're out there. I think everyone knows that. I generally make some effort to avoid them.

highplainsdem

(63,335 posts)
19. I posted the OP because it shows how much Twitter has changed under Musk, that a tweet like that
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 09:06 PM
Nov 2022

from someone with so few followers appeared as a Top tweet.

Emrys

(9,209 posts)
23. You insist that if you like.
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 09:11 PM
Nov 2022

I probably use Twitter more than most, and I haven't noticed any changes yet. But then I'm not trawling it looking for signs of them, I'm just using it like I normally do - for information and entertainment. When any changes do come, I may not have to look too hard for them.

 

womanofthehills

(11,040 posts)
32. Musk said he has not changed anything yet
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 09:41 PM
Nov 2022

He is forming a content moderation council.


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TigressDem

(5,126 posts)
30. -You can afford anything -- Hey Rich People, you can't enjoy life.... Jan 6th is IN YOUR FACE
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 09:32 PM
Nov 2022

Rich people are supposed to be above it all, never be held accountable for their actions.

That's what lawyers and accountants are for, to hide the bodies.... I mean money so that rich people don't get caught... I mean bothered by the petty details of their destructive path walking over everyone in their path.

Sympthsical

(11,176 posts)
9. Just glanced, and mine's running 50/50
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 08:34 PM
Nov 2022

I counted the top 20 posts for "Biden speech".

10 for, 10 against.

Wajahat Ali was the second post.

highplainsdem

(63,335 posts)
13. I just checked the Top 20 for "Biden speech" again and it was
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 08:49 PM
Nov 2022

8 for, 12 against.

There was more RW imbalance when I just searched for "Biden" but not quite as bad as earlier.

I've been doing Twitter searches for keywords and names like this for years. I've noticed the shift in recent days, but it was really extreme tonight.

Since I'm seeing a number of RW tweets from people with very few followers, it looks as though Twitter - Musk's Twitter - is promoting them. So far I haven't seen any Democratic, pro-Biden tweets from people with very few followers showing up as "Top tweets."

Emrys

(9,209 posts)
14. Here are my top tweets when I search for Biden
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 08:52 PM
Nov 2022
Tim Hannan
@TimHannan

19h
If crime is up under Biden it’s because MAGA Republicans are committing them. They produced 1000 crimes on a single day in January 2021.

Rob Reiner
@robreiner

57m
President Biden couldn’t have been clearer. These midterms will determine whether we want to preserve our 246 year Democratic experiment in self rule or surrender to the Tyranny of Fascism.

Joe Biden
@JoeBiden

1h
United States government official
All of us who reject political violence—and I believe that is the overwhelming majority of Americans—all of us must unite to make it absolutely clear violence and intimidation have no place in America.

Ron Filipkowski 🇺🇦
@RonFilipkowski

1h
Wow, I didn’t see Biden’s speech, but MAGA is pretty pissed about it. Must’ve been good then.

Joe Biden
@JoeBiden

1h
United States government official
American democracy is under attack because the defeated former president of the United States refuses to accept the results of the 2020 election.

He refuses to accept the will of the people.

He refuses to accept the fact that he lost.

🇺🇸🤟🏻
@esoryelsnya

12m
Quick summary of Biden’s speech: they’re trying to cheat.


I had to read down 22 tweets before I started to encounter negative ones.

Now, that could be due to a number of factors, including location (I'm not in the US), how I've trained the site and its algorithms though my usage and decisions, and my search history.

I would never be surprised to run a search on any politician's (or celebrity's) name on Twitter and find a whole bunch of ranting rightwing or whatever trolls and trollbots. Try searching for anything to do with Nicola Sturgeon some time, just as an example I know well. There's a whole culture of it out there, some of it paid, I'd say most just sad people with too much time on their hands, an overload of angst and aggression, and a handy device that lets them vent.

The thing is, you can mute or block them. Nowadays, if I click on a Sturgeon tweet or whatever, I see a whole stream of notices telling me that I've muted tweeters' accounts. If I could be bothered blocking them instead, I wouldn't even see that. Most of the time these idiots are just ranting at each other or into the void anyway.

highplainsdem

(63,335 posts)
26. You're seeing what are in effect filtered results. I'm trying to get a more general sense of
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 09:21 PM
Nov 2022

what's being tweeted and what Twitter has appearing as Top tweets.

Emrys

(9,209 posts)
27. Well, most people who use Twitter will be logged in,
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 09:25 PM
Nov 2022

hence they'll all be seeing filtered results themselves, so I don't know what you're trying to prove there. You're using/viewing Twitter in a way few people do, especially since they made it more awkward to read it without being logged in.

highplainsdem

(63,335 posts)
31. The point I'm making is that the changes at Twitter are affecting search results and what's
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 09:35 PM
Nov 2022

considered a Top tweet.

Musk himself has suggested that people can just basically create bubbles for themselves on Twitter.

I'm trying to get a more general view of what he's doing.

Emrys

(9,209 posts)
35. Twitter, all social media, is all about bubbles.
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 09:45 PM
Nov 2022

One (using "one because I don't want to sound accusatory by using "you" ) can break out of them if and whenever one wants, but presumably one built that bubble for a reason, unless one's just been ambling along and not thinking about the platform one's using and what one's telling it about oneself. I don't think your method will get you to what Musk is doing, but it's your time and effort, not mine.

But I just Googled "Fuck you. It's January 6th that's important" (with quotes).

Only one result so far. Guess what it is:

https://www.democraticunderground.com › ...
THIS is what Elon Musk's Twitter has show up as a "Top tweet"
40
21 minutes ago — ... typed "can" when he meant "can't" ), and can't afford to buy gas, Biden's only response is "Fuck you. It's January 6th that's important.
26 posts
· 19 followers, or did earlier. Musk is having this kind of illierate drivel, from someone ...


Oh well, you showed that troll a thing or two. Where's its Google result, huh? It'll be cold gruel in the cybergulag tonight.
 

womanofthehills

(11,040 posts)
36. There have been no changes yet
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 09:46 PM
Nov 2022

Musk is getting a council together. When I go on my suggested tweets- it’s mostly the people I have interacted with or showed interest in.

highplainsdem

(63,335 posts)
37. Musk has been reversing Twitter staff suspending RWers for some recent tweets. He's
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 09:56 PM
Nov 2022

interfering with moderation. Twitter fact-checked the Biden White House.

Again, I'm doing keyword searches without filters to see what turns up under Top tweets.

And there has definitely been a change.

FelineOverlord

(3,851 posts)
21. Zipper looks lika a bot
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 09:07 PM
Nov 2022

He doesn't follow anyone.

Although anyone's tweet can show up for a trending hashtag.

highplainsdem

(63,335 posts)
25. I wasn't searching by that hashtag. I was searching by
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 09:16 PM
Nov 2022

Biden

and

Biden speech

and I'm pretty sure it was the latter search that turned up Zipper's tweet as a Top tweet, just a few minutes after it was tweeted. apparently.

I've done LOTS of searches on Twitter like this over the last few years. Searches for keywords or names, NOT logged in so not filtering that way. NOT using hashtags. Just trying to get a general sense of what's being tweeted. (And often still finding great tweets by my favorites that I'll share here, with some of those reaching the top of the Greatest page. I rarely click on RW tweets since I'm not going to post them here.)

And I've seen a radical shift in how much prominence is being given to RW posts, in just recent days. Especially this evening.

highplainsdem

(63,335 posts)
39. It was a very good speech. And I was skimming Twitter via keyword/name searches
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 10:02 PM
Nov 2022

the way I usually do after one of his speeches, when you'll often see me posting those positive tweets here. Tweets from my favorite people on Twitter, mentioning what they liked best about the speech, quoting it, or just offering more general praise.

And I was floored to see overwhelmingly RW, negative comments instead. I'd expected to see some. I didn't expect to see so many, let alone illiterate drivel from an account with very few followers treated as a Top tweet.

Cha

(321,003 posts)
40. Thanks for reporting it, hpd..
Wed Nov 2, 2022, 10:34 PM
Nov 2022

It's good to know what the enemy is up to.

I just really needed to see some positive feedback, too.

I'm freaking out like everyone who cares about our Democracy and Hoping for the Majority Wins in the House and Senate.

So glad PJB gave this speech.

I saw something where someone was saying on one of the shows that he finally realized it... I think it's the perfect time. Biden has good timing.

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