General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsColorado River conditions are worsening quicker than expected. Feds prepare to step in.
Link to tweet
Conrad Swanson
@Conrad_Swanson
·
Follow
Hey folks, we took the paywall off this story to open it up to the, like, 40 million people it concerns. Take a look!
Its going to be ugly. The bottom line is there just isnt going to be enough water available.
denverpost.com
Colorado River conditions are worsening quicker than expected. Feds prepare to step in.
Running out of time and options to save water along the drying Colorado River, federal officials said theyre considering whether to release less water from the countrys two largest re
9:16 AM · Nov 4, 2022
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/11/02/colorado-river-drought-powell-california-arizona/
No paywall cuz I still got one
https://archive.ph/CUChG
Running out of time and options to save water along the drying Colorado River, federal officials said theyre considering whether to release less water from the countrys two largest reservoirs downstream to Arizona, California and Nevada.
Without enough snow this winter, the water level at Lake Powell the countrys second-largest reservoir will drop below a critical level by next November, according to a new report from the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation. Below that point, the Glen Canyon Dam will no longer be able to generate electricity and experts worry whether conditions will worsen to the point that the structure will no longer be able to send water downstream at all.
Conditions on the Colorado River are worsening quicker than expected. The seven states in the river basin made little progress saving water over the summer and Colorado is heading into its third La Niña winter in a row, likely indicating below-average snowpack. A worst-case scenario, once considered only as a hypothetical, now presents a very real threat.
Its going to be ugly, Mark Squillace, a water law professor at the University of Colorado, said. The bottom line is there just isnt going to be enough water available.
The path forward for Reclamation, the states and dozens of Native American tribes is narrowing, Brad Udall, a water and climate scientist with Colorado State University, said, calling the implications beyond serious.
*snip*
ProudMNDemocrat
(20,877 posts)I have friends in Arizona.
Then there is Luke Air Force Base in Glendale that is a city within a city that is HUGE!
No Hydro power, no electricity when the extreme heat arrives.
mike_c
(37,046 posts)Water deliveries to farms and ranches need to be reduced. They will be reduced. There isn't any real choice.
Igel
(37,516 posts)"They have been reduced. They will continue to be even more reduced."
FakeNoose
(41,519 posts)... instead of the oil? Heck, we could even build the XL extension for that!
NickB79
(20,332 posts)You'd need 100 pipelines to make a difference.
It's hard to grasp just how much water the West consumes, mostly for farming semi-desert that should never have been plowed in the first place.
Besides, hasn't the "build a pipeline" crowd learned their lesson yet, now that we're seeing the Mississippi hit record lows from drought after suggesting we tap it for water to the West?
PortTack
(35,820 posts)So they can continue to let the Saudis have water rights in AZ, so they can water their lawns? and b4 anyone says anything I have a daughter and family there. I say the same things to them.
Kaleva
(40,345 posts)The farm belt is expected to move north in the northern Midwest and into Canada.
Igel
(37,516 posts)"It's wrong for them to use *our* water to grow *their* food."
So we stop them from using our water for their food.
Do we let them buy the food, or insist that they starve?
Note we do the same with carbon. We outsource production and buy things from coal-powered factories from China. But we drive EVs and preen. Saudis outsource water; Americans have outsourced carbon for decades. (Okay, I don't drive an EV. My ICE gets 37 mpg, like many hybrids. 20% over EPA rating. I'm not rich enough to afford an EV--and don't like the government subsidy I'd have to accept.)
roamer65
(37,945 posts)The Great Lakes Compact passed and signed in 2008 forbids it.
FakeNoose
(41,519 posts)For reference this shows the lines of the Keystone Pipeline that was under discussion in an earlier post. The Pipeline is entirely built and functional now, except for the green diagonal line (XL shortcut) that was never built and Biden has cancelled it. As the pipeline is now, it wouldn't be much help to the western states. There would have to be another line built to hook up with the Colorado River somewhere.

MichMan
(17,117 posts)and they vote to change it. The 5 Great Lakes States will be told to STFU.
roamer65
(37,945 posts)The transfer infrastructure wont last a month.
CrispyQ
(40,942 posts)I don't see how they're not going to have to choose between Lakes Mead and Powell at some point. And to think there was talk about building a water pipeline from the Mississippi to the southwest. Rivers around the world are running dry. Maybe 8 billion miracles are enough.
Response to CrispyQ (Reply #3)
Nevilledog This message was self-deleted by its author.
Nevilledog
(55,071 posts)Thought I posted it wrong space, but it was the right space...lol
CrispyQ
(40,942 posts)They can't both go dead pool. Although eventually they both will.
Damming Glen Canyon was a crime.
bronxiteforever
(11,212 posts)NickB79
(20,332 posts)A famous scientist once said "Humanity's downfall will be it's inability to grasp the exponential function."
Kaleva
(40,345 posts)Oneironaut
(6,289 posts)Even at this point, its too late to prevent cataclysm. We can only mitigate how bad its going to be.
The Conservative mantra is already turning from Climate change is a hoax! to Its God / Its a natural warming period!
This legitimately makes me want to kill myself, rather than suffer through the new world where resources are scarce, and, only the rich are blessed with a good life. I wont right now, but, at a certain point, life will just become hell.
Kaleva
(40,345 posts)NickB79
(20,332 posts)By 2100, we'll be at 4 billion and falling, fast. Were's so far past carrying capacity, it's gonna be bad. Like when a herd of deer strip a forest bare to the bark and die en mass bad.
And that's assuming we haven't had a nuclear resource-war apocalypse by then
Kaleva
(40,345 posts)I wonder what supermarkets do with all that food that goes past best used by date. The dumpsters must fill up pretty quickly.
roamer65
(37,945 posts)Sad, but true.
Glad I dont have children.
MissB
(16,344 posts)Up and up.
We have water. We will likely always have plenty of water. I know this.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)albacore
(2,747 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 4, 2022, 07:54 PM - Edit history (1)
...with little water available.
And we know who is to blame, don't we?
Biden!!!
After all, he personally caused the price of gas to go up, and he personally caused all this inflation, and he personally caused .... just everything bad.
On edit...
for those who need it.
raccoon
(32,382 posts)albacore
(2,747 posts)Hekate
(100,133 posts)Karma13612
(4,981 posts)Curious guests who might not realize your jest.
Thanks for adding the /s!!!
EndlessWire
(8,103 posts)If we faced facts and begin to build desalinization plants, multiple, complete with pipelines to the western states. Other states with coasts could do the same. Might or might not be enough, but at least we could try. We are rich with coast, and we have the technology.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)But we have 40 million people, too.
There are 12 existing desalination facilities throughout California, according to the state's Water
Resources Control Board, including the Carlsbad desalination project in San Diego County, which is the largest desalination plant in the western hemisphere and produces three million gallons of drinking water each day.Oct 14, 2022
California approves desalination plant as drought hits water ...
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/14/california-approves-desalination-plant-as-drought-hits-water-supplies.html
EndlessWire
(8,103 posts)I'm gonna buy rain barrels.
NickB79
(20,332 posts)Even with 100 desalination plants, California farmers couldn't afford to buy it at the volumes they use.
That, or produce prices in the grocery store have to skyrocket.
Lancero
(3,276 posts)Even more radical idea, maybe we should stop exporting water intensive crops. All but exporting our water when we do that.
Initech
(108,688 posts)I blame religious fundamentalists, Fox, and right wing talk radio for getting us here.
Lancero
(3,276 posts)Meat, in general, is the most water inefficient food around. And thats before considering the rampant amounts of land that need to be cleared out to grow assorted feedstocks.
NowISeetheLight
(4,002 posts)- Cut agricultural water. Over 80% of non-environmental water used in California is for agriculture. Most of it not delivered in ways to conserve. I drive by fields near my joyse and there are giant sprinklers going at midday when its 100 degrees out. Ever heard of evaporation?
- Ban lawns. I have rocks and desert landscape in my yard. I had the same in Arizona for twenty years. Lawns are irresponsible. 10% of water use in California is urban and 50% of that amount is landscaping? What idiot thinks that is OK? Some places are now paying to rip out lawns. Its a start.
https://www.valleywater.org/news-events/news-releases/state-california-bans-watering-decorative-grass-commercial-industrial-and
- Ban wasteful water oriented development. Here in the Palm Springs area a city council recently voted down a huge surf park project. Hey stupid
Want to surf? Theres a giant ocean three hours west! Now Disney wants to build a giant Cotino housing development with a huge lake. ITS THE DESERT!!! Get a clue!
https://kesq.com/news/2022/09/21/la-quinta-city-council-denies-proposed-surf-park-project/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/17/disney-california-storyliving-community-rancho-mirage
- Desalination plants. We have a giant ocean next door here in California. Yes there are environmental issues with desalination. But if it comes down to it its people first. Itll require more power to run, its expensive but possible, Saudi Arabia built a low energy desalination plant. It can be done.
https://calmatters.org/environment/2022/10/desalination-plants-california/
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/commercial/2021/3/worlds-lowest-energy-water-desalination-plant-built-in-saudi-desert-653013