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Sun Nov 6, 2022, 06:04 PM

Judiciary Act adds four seats to the Supreme Court

Expand the Supreme Court: Senator Markey and Reps., Nadler, Johnson, and Jones Introduce Legislation to Restore Justice and Democracy to Judicial System

https://hankjohnson.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/expand-supreme-court-senator-markey-and-reps-nadler-johnson-and-jones

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Reply Judiciary Act adds four seats to the Supreme Court (Original post)
vlyons Nov 6 OP
SunSeeker Nov 6 #1
packman Nov 6 #2
vlyons Nov 6 #3
packman Nov 6 #14
calimary Nov 6 #20
electric_blue68 Nov 7 #46
panader0 Nov 6 #6
Mr.Bill Nov 6 #8
InstantGratification Nov 6 #18
Prairie_Seagull Nov 6 #19
Mr.Bill Nov 6 #36
ColinC Nov 6 #25
Mr.Bill Nov 6 #38
Polybius Nov 7 #40
Mr.Bill Nov 7 #41
Polybius Nov 7 #42
Mr.Bill Nov 7 #43
Polybius Nov 7 #44
Mr.Bill Nov 7 #45
Polybius Nov 7 #48
Mr.Bill Nov 7 #49
Polybius Nov 7 #50
electric_blue68 Nov 7 #47
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 7 #64
Zeitghost Nov 7 #71
Mr.Bill Nov 7 #73
SCantiGOP Nov 7 #62
inthewind21 Nov 7 #65
Hortensis Nov 6 #4
spanone Nov 6 #5
Mr.Bill Nov 6 #7
sop Nov 6 #10
wnylib Nov 7 #59
AllyCat Nov 7 #61
Hestia Nov 7 #60
vlyons Nov 6 #9
former9thward Nov 6 #31
Mr. Sparkle Nov 6 #11
former9thward Nov 6 #32
Mr. Sparkle Nov 7 #54
Evolve Dammit Nov 6 #12
reACTIONary Nov 6 #15
reACTIONary Nov 6 #16
Wednesdays Nov 6 #37
Evolve Dammit Nov 7 #55
iemanja Nov 7 #68
reACTIONary Nov 7 #70
Liberty Belle Nov 6 #13
jaxexpat Nov 6 #17
lindysalsagal Nov 6 #21
inthewind21 Nov 7 #66
republianmushroom Nov 6 #22
SuperCoder Nov 6 #23
NJCher Nov 6 #29
ShazzieB Nov 6 #30
Sogo Nov 6 #24
catrose Nov 6 #26
onenote Nov 6 #27
onenote Nov 6 #28
KPN Nov 6 #33
markodochartaigh Nov 6 #34
Warpy Nov 6 #35
brooklynite Nov 6 #39
Celerity Nov 7 #51
rampartc Nov 7 #52
JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 7 #53
cstanleytech Nov 7 #56
Willis88 Nov 7 #57
inthewind21 Nov 7 #67
Prairie_Seagull Nov 7 #58
Grins Nov 7 #63
iemanja Nov 7 #72
Autumn Nov 7 #69

Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 06:07 PM

1. Desperately needed to restore justice. nt

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 06:32 PM

2. And does anyone believe this will pass a Republican road block?

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Response to packman (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 06:34 PM

3. Nothing ventured, nothing gained

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Response to vlyons (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 07:07 PM

14. Amen

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Response to vlyons (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 07:54 PM

20. There is that.

There DEFINITELY is that.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 12:37 AM

46. Yup. 👍

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Response to packman (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 06:40 PM

6. No, it won't pass Republicans, but I'm glad it was put out there anyway.

It will certainly get their attention.

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Response to packman (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 06:45 PM

8. The only raod blocks are the filibuster and a few rogue Democrats in the Senate.

Both of those can be overcome if we pick up a few seats in the Senate.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 07:43 PM

18. One other important thing too

It would also require holding the House. Changing the filibuster rules just needs 51 votes in the Senate. Adding to the Supreme Court requires legislation that passes both houses of Congress and gets signed by the President.

So it would take holding the House with enough of a majority to overcome any democrats that oppose expanding the SC and it would take picking up enough seats in the Senate to overcome Manchin, Sinema and any other Dem that might be opposed to ditching the filibuster. Get those done on Tuesday and you get the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 07:51 PM

19. Judicial nominees only need 51 votes in the Senate...right? n/t

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Response to Prairie_Seagull (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 09:26 PM

36. Correct.

That's why it's important to hold the Senate. If we lose the senate, Joe Biden has appointed hos last judge for this term. And we need 52 seats because we have a few Senators that like to go against their party when it's most important.

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Response to packman (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:11 PM

25. If we gain only 2 senate seats, no.

If we gain maybe 3-5, then thereís a better chance

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Response to ColinC (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 09:30 PM

38. Assuming the usual two problem Senators won't vote yes and vote no,

That means a 50-50 tie with the VP casting the tie-breaking vote. That's assuming we hold 52 seats. Of course more would be better.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #38)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 12:12 AM

40. Biden said on June 25th that he opposes adding more Justices

I have no reason to think that he's lying.

Biden doesn't support expanding the Supreme Court, White House says

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Response to Polybius (Reply #40)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 12:23 AM

41. June 25th is eons ago

in today's political climate. No one will criticize him for changing his opinion. This current court wants to take this country and people's rights back to the 50s.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #41)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 12:26 AM

42. But he said it the day after Dobbs was decided

If ever there was a time ripe for supporting adding Justices, it was then. Maybe wait to see if he's re-elected?

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Response to Polybius (Reply #42)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 12:31 AM

43. And watch them give state legislatures

the right to name any electors they want? Watch them take away same sex marriage? Even inter-racial marriage? That's exactly what these six Cristofascists intend to do. We may never have this chance again. We may never have elections again. It's time to play hardball or wake up two years from now in a Theocracy.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #43)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 12:32 AM

44. Well, we need to pick up two Senate seats and hold the House

How are we going to do that?

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Response to Polybius (Reply #44)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 12:35 AM

45. Vote!

I'm actually pretty optimistic.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #45)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 12:49 AM

48. I will on Tuesday

I think that if everything goes our way, we can maybe gain one seat. You think two is possible?

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Response to Polybius (Reply #48)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 12:53 AM

49. Yes, basically I feel

like there.is a surprise or two out there. Can't be specific, just a feeling I have.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #49)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 12:54 AM

50. I hope you're right

Three will be even better!

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #41)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 12:44 AM

47. 1850's that is.

GOOOOOOOO, DEMS






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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #41)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 01:54 PM

64. This current court wants to take this country into a dictatorship.

Failure to recognize that fact and act on it is helping the Nazi/fascist takeover.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #38)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 06:49 PM

71. We don't have 48 votes now

Manchin and Sinema are not the only obstacles.

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Response to Zeitghost (Reply #71)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 07:47 PM

73. True, but the landscape may look

a little different as time goes on.

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Response to packman (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 12:27 PM

62. And what if this passes

And the GOP Senate turns down all of Bidenís nominees and then they win the White House in 2024?
How long would it take to change the 10-3 hard right majority that would result?

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #62)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:29 PM

65. About the same

amount of time it will take to change the 6-3 we have now,

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 06:38 PM

4. Any bill(s) that ultimately pass will be under the auspices of

party leaders and have developed a critical mass of house and senate support. It's not time yet because we just don't have the power in either chamber to pass it. So, no critical mass of Democratic congressmen passionately insisting on passage now!

It's so hard waiting for time and other critical factors to come together. If only we at least still had the large Democratic house caucus of 2018 to build on. And more senators of course.

But re-touting this Judiciary Act of (April) 2021 will get some media attention right before election day and hopefully help some who are issuing public statements and not hurt others.

Tuesday! We'll get see what we'll have to work with for the next two years.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 06:39 PM

5. K&R

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 06:42 PM

7. President Biden and Democrats in Congress have to realize

that the bullshit McConnell pulled with the Supreme Court is a big part of why we voted for them and allowed them to control both houses in Congress. The fact they have not fixed this yet is shameful, even if the blame can only be placed on a few of them. They know who they are. If we lose one or both houses, it will be part of the reason why. We elected you to do something. Do it.

If you don't, and we lose Congress, this country is over.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 06:53 PM

10. The theft of those two SC seats was the most nakedly undemocratic act of MConnell's career.

It must be set right.

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Response to sop (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 11:17 AM

59. +1,000,000

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Response to sop (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 11:42 AM

61. I would argue it was 3 seats.

He colluded with the orange anus to get Kennedy to retire and appoint the 3rd.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 11:25 AM

60. You are correct, but who knew at the time about Manchin & Siema? This is not an autocracy and with

the numbers in both chambers so close, we have to wait. We need at least 5 more senators, 61 would be fantastic. Even if filibuster isn't overturned, then number holds in our favor. Last time was the 5 months in 2010 when we did have the senate majority.

(Remember when Al Franken won but his opponent kept filing lawsuit after lawsuit to overturn that vote? THAT is why we had senate majority for 5 months, then everyone started losing their teabagger minds and GQP won majority.)

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 06:51 PM

9. Just wish this happened a month ago

So Dems would have time to make it a talking point for the mid-term election. Especially in light of SCOTUS gutting Roe. Oh well ---

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Response to vlyons (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:31 PM

31. It happened 18 months ago.

The link is from April, 2021. That should tell you something...

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 06:57 PM

11. Id imagine its an incentive for democrats to get out and vote

Their saying, give us the numbers and we will pass the legislation. Though they should have announced it earlier so more people can hear about it.

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Response to Mr. Sparkle (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:38 PM

32. It was introduced 18 months ago.

The link is from April, 2021.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #32)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 07:57 AM

54. Good to know, thanks!

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 07:01 PM

12. When was the last time the SCOTUS was expanded? I'm thinking FDR but not sure.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 07:14 PM

15. FDR threatened to do it...

... but didn't. The threat helped, though. They started to moderate their decisions.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 07:23 PM

16. The largest court was 10 justices...

The U.S. Constitution established the Supreme Court but left it to Congress to decide how many justices should make up the court. The Judiciary Act of 1789 set the number at six: a chief justice and five associate justices. In 1807, Congress increased the number of justices to seven; in 1837, the number was bumped up to nine; and in 1863, it rose to 10. In 1866, Congress passed the Judicial Circuits Act, which shrank the number of justices back down to seven and prevented President Andrew Johnson from appointing anyone new to the court. Three years later, in 1869, Congress raised the number of justices to nine, where it has stood ever since. In 1937, in an effort to create a court more friendly to his New Deal programs, President Franklin Roosevelt attempted to convince Congress to pass legislation that would allow a new justice to be added to the courtófor a total of up to 15 membersófor every justice over 70 who opted not to retire. Congress didnít go for FDRís plan.

https://www.history.com/news/7-things-you-might-not-know-about-the-u-s-supreme-court

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 09:29 PM

37. And FDR's plan backfired so badly

it (along with the 1937 dip in the economy) helped the GOP to make significant gains in the 1938 elections.

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 08:45 AM

55. Thanks very much!

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:37 PM

68. An even number could be a good idea

That would avoid split decisions by only one justice and would require more compromise.

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Response to iemanja (Reply #68)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 06:44 PM

70. I think a super majority for any constitutional decision...

.... would be a big improvement, regardless of the number.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 07:03 PM

13. It's about time!



Let's hope the elections go well for Dems so that there will be enough votes to actually get this passed and save our democracy.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 07:39 PM

17. I see a much needed case that must go to this new USSC.

Let them rule on the motion to remove judges who have betrayed their testimony before the senate. An 8-10 member majority in a 13 member court should work wonders.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 07:55 PM

21. Ho-LEE-CRAP!

WOW! Now, let's eliminate the electoral college!

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:32 PM

66. That would

require a constitutional amendment. Good luck with that.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 07:56 PM

22. I like it

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:02 PM

23. From 2021.

Sadly.

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Response to SuperCoder (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:24 PM

29. not a biggie

lots of bills sit around for just the right time.

I am glad these elected representatives have this ready to go.

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Response to SuperCoder (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:27 PM

30. Yeah, why is this being reported here like it's actual news?

I had a reply all ready to go, based on this being current news. Then I noticed that the article is dated April 15, 2021, and went "Wtf?"

Expanding the Supreme Court is something I think desperately needs to happen, but this article is more than a year and a half old. Don't tantalize me like this, doggone it!

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:03 PM

24. Love it!

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:15 PM

26. Hallelujah!

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:20 PM

27. Introduced a year ago. Referred to Committee. Hasn't even gotten a hearing.

Don't hold your breath.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:22 PM

28. Introduced a year ago. Referred to Committee. Hasn't even gotten a hearing.

Don't hold your breath.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:51 PM

33. This was introduced in 2021. Is something new going on

with it now?

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:54 PM

34. Pack the supreme court?

The supreme court has already been packed. Since the Republicans showed the way to zip through justice Barrett, the Democrats should pass the Judiciary Act and approve four more justices before the end of November. They should try and get the most qualified people, but they also should not worry about setting the bar too high. If justice Kavanaugh can be poured over the bar, almost anyone should qualify.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 09:24 PM

35. Yes, please

There are now 13 district courts instead of the nine when the number was last modified. There is nothing in the constitution that limits the USSC to a set number of seats, only that each Justice oversees a district court.

Wingnuts will scream, they hate change of any type. Even ifBiden pledges to appoint only 2 Justices this term, the court will be a little less skewed toward the theocratic/fascist far right.

It's overdue, WAY overdue.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Sun Nov 6, 2022, 09:44 PM

39. Meh...

Biden, Pelosi and Schumer donít support it. Not going to go anywhere.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 12:57 AM

51. You should state up front that this is from over 18 months ago. It is not new news at all.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 05:09 AM

52. what can go wrong?

we expand to 13 justices (not unreasonable 1 per judicial district) but not effective until trump "47" picks the new justices

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 06:58 AM

53. Even if four seats were added, it might not help.

With only 48 reliable Senate votes, we wouldn't be able to seat four justices of the stature of RBG. The seats would remain open, and the next senate may not be as favorable as the current one. If the Reps take the senate, no Biden candidates will have a hearing.

We could end up with an additional four Barretts and Cavanaughs. Maybe eve a Thomas or two. Herschel Walker may be available. Or Sidney Powell.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 09:08 AM

56. I completely argee with this and it should be done with new judges seated before the new year.

At least then we will have some reassurance that the Supreme Court will not be a court made up of justices that render rulings based on their personal political views.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 09:19 AM

57. Is there a danger that the senate may place additional repubs if it flips?

Iím thinking this should be done when house and senate are on more solid footing.

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Response to Willis88 (Reply #57)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:34 PM

67. Of course

There is.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 09:43 AM

58. in my mind, we need a ground swell both in citizenry and in congress.

Maybe it's already started. Maybe we are helping. Now we need to hit the gas, um i mean accelerator. Ha

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 12:36 PM

63. Couldn't they have waited until...Wednesday?

That all the mouth-breathers need to hear before an election.

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Response to Grins (Reply #63)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 06:54 PM

72. This is many months old

I don't know why the OP posted it now.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Mon Nov 7, 2022, 02:44 PM

69. This should have been shouted all over for the last 18 months by every Democrat.

That it wasn't make me wonder why.

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