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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 07:53 PM Nov 2022

Does anyone believe that if tfg were to undergo a legitimate professional mental health

evaluation that he would not be diagnosed with serious problems that would disqualify him for service as:

A law enforcement officer?

A military technician overseeing and maintaining a nuclear missile silo?

A teacher or any other professional dealing with children?

Any position with any prudent company?

And, this "person" is threatening us with another presidential run?

Are we really going to dirty ourselves by insisting that those who vote for him or his cowardly ass-kissers deserve ANY respect? Any deference? Any benefit of the doubt? Any---dare I ask?---forgiveness?

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Does anyone believe that if tfg were to undergo a legitimate professional mental health (Original Post) Atticus Nov 2022 OP
Only Trump's crazy followers think he's not insane. sop Nov 2022 #1
They don't care if he's sane or not. They think that he is a gift from god The_Casual_Observer Nov 2022 #3
God also gave us Satan... and some other biggies. keithbvadu2 Nov 2022 #16
His supporters are themselves insane kimbutgar Nov 2022 #6
This!👆 SheltieLover Nov 2022 #7
Everyone I have encountered who are TFG cultists complain about how their lives are screwed kimbutgar Nov 2022 #12
Lots of us have had lousy childhoods Genki Hikari Nov 2022 #24
He's not insane Genki Hikari Nov 2022 #22
Who gives a shit about his mental health? We already know he's a cruel and desperate person with WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2022 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Baked Potato Nov 2022 #4
He's a psycho. End of Life, willing to to say Fuck You to our country. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2022 #5
The stories about Trump having been a federal confidential informant would explain the impunity. sop Nov 2022 #8
Kind of the point, no? OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2022 #15
My completely non-professional opinion is that he LuckyCharms Nov 2022 #9
Some are sick SomedayKindaLove Nov 2022 #19
He's a walking compendium of Cluster-B disorders Genki Hikari Nov 2022 #23
Many Psychiatrists BlueKota Nov 2022 #10
He is just sane enough to operate on a daily basis and fool people. everyonematters Nov 2022 #11
Unfortunately no. Initech Nov 2022 #13
No but it should. I_UndergroundPanther Nov 2022 #14
Routine mental status question: JohnnyLib2 Nov 2022 #17
lol SomedayKindaLove Nov 2022 #20
Done already, see Mary Trump books. multigraincracker Nov 2022 #18
It's gone so much further than I ever could have imagined. yardwork Nov 2022 #21

sop

(19,319 posts)
1. Only Trump's crazy followers think he's not insane.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 07:57 PM
Nov 2022

It's pretty much a settled issue for the rest of the country.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
3. They don't care if he's sane or not. They think that he is a gift from god
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:01 PM
Nov 2022

And whatever God provided is not to be questioned. This is a fact.

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
16. God also gave us Satan... and some other biggies.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:55 PM
Nov 2022

God also gave us Satan... and some other biggies.

kimbutgar

(27,558 posts)
6. His supporters are themselves insane
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:12 PM
Nov 2022

If one were to interview them they would find they had lousy childhoods, disgruntled and unhappy lives. TFG makes them think they are the smartest brightest people, because they support him.

They are fools who are being conned and parted from their money.

kimbutgar

(27,558 posts)
12. Everyone I have encountered who are TFG cultists complain about how their lives are screwed
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:29 PM
Nov 2022

And lousy childhoods! Even my husbands nieces and nephews from his older sisters only I’ll fated marriage had an awful father who are avid TFG supporters still want Daddy to love them!

Before 2016 we could talk now they barely tolerate us liberals from SF and communication is stilted with them. They think we are loony liberals as their Dad used to call us.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
24. Lots of us have had lousy childhoods
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 11:45 PM
Nov 2022

That alone isn't enough to be insane. My mother, for instance, was by turns abusive, neglectful AND smothering and manipulative.

I turned out okay despite her, and with a normal-sized ego. I'll be the first to admit that I'm a hopeless moron about a bunch of stuff, and will cheerfully attribute it to sheer laziness on my part (takes too much effort to learn all I could about X or Y).

Maybe that's why I could never get swayed by a charlatan like that...thing. I can't relate to people who can't admit that they don't know everything. I can't relate to people who can't ever admit that they're wrong. I find it weird to be so fragile that you can't ever be...human.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
22. He's not insane
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 11:25 PM
Nov 2022

He's a moron, a conniving manipulator, a pathological AND compulsive liar, a jerk and a scumbag, but none of that qualifies as insanity.

Because he's not the least insane. He knows what reality is, and he knows exactly what he's doing.

Don't give him the out for an insanity plea, because you know he'll go there, if he thinks he could get away with it.

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,227 posts)
2. Who gives a shit about his mental health? We already know he's a cruel and desperate person with
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:01 PM
Nov 2022

shit policies.

Response to Atticus (Original post)

OAITW r.2.0

(32,606 posts)
5. He's a psycho. End of Life, willing to to say Fuck You to our country.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:07 PM
Nov 2022

Should have locked him up 40 years ago, but I assume he was a CI for most of his miserable life.

sop

(19,319 posts)
8. The stories about Trump having been a federal confidential informant would explain the impunity.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:20 PM
Nov 2022

Purportedly, Trump ratted out several high-ranking organized crime figures in NY/NJ in return for (future?) immunity from the feds. There were some articles about it on the web, but I can't find them any longer.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,606 posts)
15. Kind of the point, no?
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:46 PM
Nov 2022

Trump has evidence of US collusion with his role as CI. Had to. How does Trump declare bankruptcy on Casino's without a DOJ review?

If we could ever get a real understanding of Donald Trump, his youth, his school years, his "Dad" relationship, his "Mom" relationship, his total interaction with the DOJ over his business lifetime, his modeling agency, his Russian financial pipeline, maybe it would make sense.

These rallies are a delusional last hurrah. Both Trump and his audience are trying to find relevance. After this, the show is over.

LuckyCharms

(23,069 posts)
9. My completely non-professional opinion is that he
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:21 PM
Nov 2022

is a malignant narcissist, which is a manifestation of narcissitic personality disorder. Malignant narcissism isn’t recognized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders because it seems to be the combination of NPD, anti-social disorders, paranoia, sadism, and probably a slew of other goodies.

In other words, he's a mess.

So, he has several mental conditions, but the actual problem isn't him. The problem is his followers, and I doubt that a significant portion of them are mentally ill.

Instead, they are stupid, mean, evil, and gullible.

They use tfg as an excuse for their behavior.

So, fuck 'em. Fuck 'em sideways and upside down.

No respect.

No deference.

No forgiveness.

They ain't sick, they're just mean and dumb as dirt.

SomedayKindaLove

(1,200 posts)
19. Some are sick
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 09:48 PM
Nov 2022

Some have been dealing their whole lives with undiagnosed traumas.

Some are dumb. Which means the system failed them.

Some are racist. Ditto.

Some are susceptible to cults, or even worse, social media.

Forgiveness should be afforded to all.

Though…sometimes a fascist is just a fascist, too.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
23. He's a walking compendium of Cluster-B disorders
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 11:36 PM
Nov 2022

He definitely has NPD, and the elements of criminality and lack of empathy of Anti-Social Personality disorder:

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9657-antisocial-personality-disorder

His over the top freakouts about, well, everything, also point to Histrionic Personality Disorder:

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9743-histrionic-personality-disorder

His self-pitying/self-destructive impulses point to Borderline Personality Disorder:

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9762-borderline-personality-disorder-bpd

When you go through each of them, you find yourself ticking off multiple symptoms--yep, yep, yep...aaaaanddd...YEP.

So he hits all the Cluster-B disorders, without breaking a sweat.

BlueKota

(5,553 posts)
10. Many Psychiatrists
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:25 PM
Nov 2022

have said they strongly suspect he has Narcissistic Personality Disorder even though normally they are reluctant to diagnose someone they have not treated themselves.

It's just too obvious for them, or anyone with common sense to see. If he were to seek treatment which he won't, it most likely wouldn't help, because you can't convince a narcissist that there is anything wrong with them.

Also they can never admit they're wrong about anything, which is a dangerous flaw in a leader. I keep praying that we will be sparred from him ever being in the White House again. The scary thing is, however, even, if he is put on trial, or were to choose not to run again, the Republicans will just find another deranged jerk to run like DeSantis, and idiots will vote for them.


everyonematters

(4,256 posts)
11. He is just sane enough to operate on a daily basis and fool people.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:27 PM
Nov 2022

Over time, he is dangerous. Hitler was the same way. His supporters are like children.

Initech

(109,267 posts)
13. Unfortunately no.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:29 PM
Nov 2022

The right wing propaganda machine is united behind him and they will stick by him no matter what unhinged bullshit he delivers.

I_UndergroundPanther

(13,386 posts)
14. No but it should.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:41 PM
Nov 2022

Sociopaths are too dangerous to be trusted.
Give them kindness,benefit of a doubt they'll hurt you.


Sociopathy should disqualify anyone from running for any public office or position of power over other people or animals period.

Including psychiatry.
Sociopaths need to be kept out of mental hospitals because everyone's safety,quality of care and even the ability to have group therapy is ruined by them.

Any felony record or history of spouse/ child abuse should be an automatic disqualification too. ( Except pot felonies)

JohnnyLib2

(11,340 posts)
17. Routine mental status question:
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 08:57 PM
Nov 2022

Who is the current president of the U.S.?

He might have trouble with that one.....

multigraincracker

(38,052 posts)
18. Done already, see Mary Trump books.
Sun Nov 6, 2022, 09:44 PM
Nov 2022

She has a Phd in Clinical Psychology.

I had a professor for Abnormal Psychology. In one class she gave a list of symptoms. She then said the DSM would be a place to start.
Four or Five students gave their guess. She said the professionals in the field, most likely would say he is f^cking nuts.

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