There IS NO "red wave"! Democrats are holding the line!!

[DemocraticPatriot]

'There has not been one single surprise victory for Republicans so far' ~ MSNBC


If there ever was a 'red wave' coming, it is being negated with increased Democratic turnout.

I don't expect either side to run away with the results tonight, from what I see so far, but it is good news that "they" are not running away with anything... indeed, the only "good" indicators I see favor the Democrats, but in small ways.


We will probably lose the House, as the Republicans only needed 5 seats to take it over, and they could do that mostly on the strength of their gerrymandering gains alone-- but I would predict a very small majority for them there. If they do take it over, it will be a non-stop batshit-crazy overreach clown show for 2 years, which will give the house back to Democrats in 2024...

However, according to MSNBC, "it in not inconceivable" that Democrats could keep the House!



We are projected to hold the N.H. Senate seat. Fetterman is looking good. Warnock is battling...

I think we hold the Senate, possibly with the same 50+1 majority-- but this is not as all the "mainstream pundit" assholes were projecting that things would go tonight....

I am saving some rotten eggs to throw on their faces.


And I give my thanks to women, young people, and new voters...

[elleng]

1. Right, and had Dems spent more $$$ in a few places, we'd be better off.

T Ryan in OH is one example.

[griffi94]

8. We never should have abandoned the 50 State Strategy

Contest every district in every state.
And push the hell out of our message.

[elleng]

11. Right.

[wnylib]

16. +1000

[W_HAMILTON]

9. No. As Obama's campaign manager said on MSNBC:

You don't outspend an eight-point loss.

Any money spent on Ryan would have been a waste; even worse, it would have been funding a Democrat that was amplifying negative Democratic messages about the Democratic Party and some of its elected officials.

Biden lost OH by eight points. Ryan isn't going to do much, if any, better.

I don't know why people are so in love with this guy. Sherrod Brown, he is NOT.

[IronLionZion]

20. Boebert is expected to lose in a Trump +8 district

it can happen when the GOP candidate is a total doofus.

[W_HAMILTON]

21. I wouldn't say that she is expected to lose.

NYT actually predicts that she is likely to win because so much of the remaining vote is Republican; see: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/11/08/us/elections/results-colorado-us-house-district-3.html

[dchill]

26. He's not Sherrod Brown. But neither is he JD Vance!

[W_HAMILTON]

27. Ryan should have spent more time pointing that out rather than attacking fellow Democrats.

[dchill]

28. You're right about that.

[moniss]

29. That man is a short term thinking idiot

for saying that. Nobody says you overcome in one election but you fight like hell for several in a row and you get there. Surrender to nothing. If people see that you don't give a damn enough to fight how the hell do you ever expect them to come your way. The independents will not come toward a don't give a damn attitude.

[W_HAMILTON]

30. Wrong.

You don't waste money in a +8 Republican state when you could be using that money -- as Democrats have effectively done -- in places like Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, etc.

If we are looking for a state to invest in, look towards North Carolina. That state is gettable.

[moniss]

32. Nobody is saying you break the bank for it

but what I'm saying has been proven over and over again throughout time. You want to completely write off states and races for all time that's fine for you but I believe in fighting and building support over time because it also affects the down ballot races and off year races. Eventually you get within reach and eventually you win some of these. You do the grass roots organizing etc. and put some money to that rather than thinking it's always just about TV ads. The quickest route to failure is to just pump ads. That clown OZ is a good example of that.

[W_HAMILTON]

33. It's not writing off a state -- it's about investing in more winnable states.

OH and even FL do not appear to be winnable. Changing that is going to take a lot more than money. Money might actually change things in NC. Money has changed things in AZ, GA, etc. But money is not going to change things in OH or FL at this point. Democratic voters in those states and maybe even individual Democratic candidates need to do the heavy lifting on their own and get their states more competitive before looking for significant national help. At least that's my opinion and it seems to be the opinion of the Democratic Party as a whole at this point.

[moniss]

34. Once again

I will explain it. Nobody is saying don't spend in PA, NC, AZ etc. The Democratic effort of any kind at the state and local level in many states is nonexistent. There is zero door-to door effort, meetings, phone banks etc. Zero visibility for any opposition to the GQP. That means it NEVER changes. It is one of the main reasons the MAGATS etc. make gains at the local level at the expense of the Dems. I've been at this since the '50's and I know what lack of grassroots effort causes to happen. We don't need morons going on TV and basically telling states we're writing them off. That jerk should have said "We fight and organize as best we can in all states and we don't give up on the people of any state. We have resource allocation and organizing/grassroots assistance and strategy for all Americans." That's the way you message it. Not a statement that basically says "Oh you're in a state where they have a big advantage so screw off". Once again someone from our party who can't message worth a damn shoots his mouth off. Piss poor messaging from the party has been a problem for us for many of the last elections.

[W_HAMILTON]

35. Funds are not unlimited.

Spending in OH or FL means money that is not spent in AZ or GA (or NC, as I have suggested). Furthermore, there has been a segment from our side that advocates AGAINST sending money to national Democratic organizations like the DNC.

If there is a "nonexistent" Democratic effort at the state and local level, that is more proof that the heavy lifting much first be done by the Democrats in those states before any serious resources should go to them to boost their efforts. Democrats in states like VA and now AZ and GA said the same things before, but you know what? Democrats in those states laid the foundation and then money began to come in to help bolster their efforts and turn them into winners.

Ohio Democrats and Florida Democrats need to look within and fix themselves instead of blaming their problems on others. Do that, and the money will come once again. But getting back to the original point, no, neither of those states are at a point where money will impact those races right now. They have lots bigger issues to address and throwing money at their problems will not fix them, it will only be less money we can throw at actual winnable races in other states.

I'm sorry, but that's just how it is.

[moniss]

36. I honestly think

you have no clue of what I'm talking about. You don't only make efforts in states where you are behind in just a couple of months before an election. But apparently your strategy is to just pile up cash and buy TV time. That's one of the biggest reasons that these things are so close to begin with. Let's take your route and keep plowing mega millions of dollars to the "consultants". You also have no idea what I'm talking about when I talk about grass roots organizing. Stop acting like the DNC doesn't have the money to pay for a can of coffee for an organizing meeting. Stop acting like it's too complicated for the DNC to figure out a strategy and efforts on a 50 state basis for every month from now until the next election. Because if they can't or won't then they shouldn't be there. I'm tired of seeing candidates at the local level trying to run as Dems and finding they can't even get a return phone call from party officials when they're just asking for public acknowledgement that they're running. Maybe we at the state and local level should take your approach and turn it around and tell the people at the national level to fix themselves and don't "bother us" or look for support until you do. I'm sure that idiot on TV would like that if the successful states gave the national leadership a cold shoulder. After all it's what you're calling for going the other way. You are just taking what has been a pull our butt out of the fire day and turned it to crap. You and that idiot on TV.

[W_HAMILTON]

37. You're welcome to think that.

But Democrats as a whole seem to think the same way, given the lack of resources devoted to Ohio, and it sure looks like they made the right choice spending that money in states like AZ, GA, PA, MI, etc. instead.

Maybe your state will find its own Beto or Abrams and that person can help lead you guys back from the Republican wasteland you have found yourselves in, but money is not going to solve the problems there at this time. It's just not. Solve some of those underlying and significant foundational problems and the money will assuredly follow.

[moniss]

40. Thank you

for addressing none of my points.

[we can do it]

39. Exactly. Joy Reid made point about Ryan saying he voted against Obama policy.

How does that energize Dems?

Nice work Tim, you did this to yourself and us.

[Peacetrain]

10. As an Iowan you have not idea how true those words are.. Grassley commericals were non stop the last

two weeks .. If I got to see a Franken commercial once a day it was amazing..I do not know where the hell the party was, but they were not here..

[we can do it]

38. Sadly no. Ohio is pretty much lost (have been volunteering there since 2004)

Lived in Akron area til 2016. The buybull thumpers / haters have ruined the state. Gerrymandering out of control.

[gab13by13]

2. Fucking ehh!

[Fullduplexxx]

3. "but I would predict a very small majority for them there" that's all that's needed to change

everything

[griffi94]

4. It's certainly not looking as bad as the media was predicting

And historically, we were fighting uphill. The party out of power usually makes gains in the midterms.

[uponit7771]

5. K&R,

[TheRealNorth]

6. But what is the MSM going to do with all the pre-written "Red Wave" articles?

I am sure there are a bunch of these articles just waiting for the editor to hit "submit"

[DemocraticPatriot]

7. And previous articles waiting for them to click

"DELETE" !

[Quixote1818]

12. I agree. If this is the best the GOP can do when the Dems have the Presidency, they

need to re-evaluate and start distancing themselves from MAGA.

[TheRealNorth]

14. Not a chance they will distance themselves from MAGA

They already drank the Kool-aid. They will try to go "smoke and mirrors" and rebranding.

And, of course, voter intimidation and disenfranchisement.

[Demsrule86]

13. We may hold the House.

[DemocraticPatriot]

15. It would be a political miracle, with the narrow margin...

but yes, it is possible.


The fact that it is even 'possible' at this point, is a major defeat for the Republicans.

[Demsrule86]

41. I believe in Miracles...but the closer we get the better.

[iluvtennis]

17. KnR. YAASSSS! n/t

[jcgoldie]

18. I tell you what!

This night has been way better than I expected.

[DemocraticPatriot]

19. Do you mean, better than you were TOLD to expect

by the mainstream media? YES, I understand you perfectly!

[jcgoldie]

22. what the fuck ever

You can ignore the history of what happens in midterm elections to the ruling party almost without fail. Or you can be cognizant of it an appreciate how much the GOP seems to has fucked itself with its extreme positions. I don't give a fuck about your "mainstream media."

[DemocraticPatriot]

23. I agree totally...

I may have become more despondent in recent days, than you were...

Whatever i said was not meant unkindly.

[calimary]

25. Hey, I know exactly how you feel, my friend.

I’ve been glum about this election for a week. Didn’t dare get my hopes up for fear of being heartbroken. STILL afraid to look.

Besides, Kornacki’s whole hysterical horse race thing makes me a nervous wreck.

[blue-wave]

24. Oh Yeah!!

Screw the polls. They it get wrong too many times. Go Dems!!!

[moniss]

31. They can

take all of their polls and stick them up their arse!!! But we need to hold the House because one of their first moves will be to use the debt ceiling vote to demand killing the COL increase for SS scheduled to take place in January. Then will come all of the rest and the endless hearings by that sanctimonious a**hole Jordan.