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Cyrano

(15,063 posts)
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:06 PM Nov 2022

Seems that about half of Americans don't understand the meaning of democracy

Are there that many stupid people out there? Are there that many racists? Are there that many malicious pricks? Given the election results, (not just this election), it sure seems that at least half of Americans are clueless as to what they're voting for.

The Republicans have spent decades trying to fuck the average American. Republicans are owned by corporations and the super wealthy, and they'll do or say whatever they're told to do or say. But what I find amazing is how many people can't see it, and then cast their votes every couple of years to fuck themselves, their children, their standard of living, and everything they claim they believe in.

I just can't get into the minds of these people. I can't, and never will, understand them. Yet they will go on fucking themselves and their descendants in each and every election.

Too bad that evolution works over millennia and not decades. And too bad we're stuck with them on this single planet we're stuck sharing, because we don't have an alternative.

If you're looking for a bottom line to this rant, here it is: Either they will win/steal total control and destroy us all. Or, somehow, humanity will survive its adolescence and go on to do great things.

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Seems that about half of Americans don't understand the meaning of democracy (Original Post) Cyrano Nov 2022 OP
Democracy means voting for who I want you to Sympthsical Nov 2022 #1
We'll get through this one way or another. Elessar Zappa Nov 2022 #2
Nuclear weapons didn't exist until after the Third Reich was gone Cyrano Nov 2022 #7
The Third Reich didn't have a fever breaking moment Cosmocat Nov 2022 #18
Answers to your questions below: Mister Ed Nov 2022 #3
That's the long term plan: defund public schools and urge them to cut civics and history librechik Nov 2022 #4
That's what I think is their plan and it's working. I often think.. LAS14 Nov 2022 #8
conservatives are wired differently GenXer47 Nov 2022 #5
The past as they imagine it ... Cosmocat Nov 2022 #19
Yup. Even though we're doing better than pundits said, the real story here is... LAS14 Nov 2022 #6
This Is Why I Say, Regardless Of Individual Elections, America Cannot Be Saved SoCalDavidS Nov 2022 #9
"We're not a democracy..we're a republic!" they say.. LeftinOH Nov 2022 #10
Are you advocating for a one party system? Kaleva Nov 2022 #11
No one who believes in democracy would opt for a one party system Cyrano Nov 2022 #12
So you'd consider voting R if they were sane ? Kaleva Nov 2022 #13
Oh, please. Cyrano Nov 2022 #16
So the other party will never be sane enough to consider voting for. Kaleva Nov 2022 #17
Democracy does not mean sarisataka Nov 2022 #14
The thing is that our nation has been almost evenly divided MineralMan Nov 2022 #15

Sympthsical

(9,121 posts)
1. Democracy means voting for who I want you to
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:08 PM
Nov 2022

Otherwise you don't understand it.

That's a bold move, Cotton.

Elessar Zappa

(14,077 posts)
2. We'll get through this one way or another.
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:11 PM
Nov 2022

Remember that even the Third Reich was only in power for 12 years (cold comfort considering millions died). I choose to believe that the fever will break at some point and we’ll be able to put our country back together again.

Cyrano

(15,063 posts)
7. Nuclear weapons didn't exist until after the Third Reich was gone
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:19 PM
Nov 2022

And that's why a two bit punk like Putin is getting away with the horrors he's inflicting on Ukraine and the world.

Cosmocat

(14,574 posts)
18. The Third Reich didn't have a fever breaking moment
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 03:44 PM
Nov 2022

The lunatic attacked Russia, and they attacked back, and the Japanese lit a fire under us and we saved the day for Eastern Europe in addition to kicking their asses.

No one is hoping on boats to come over here and sort things out for us.

This is a slight reprieve, but the forces that crank up the right wing base will continue to crank them up tighter and tighter, as they have for going on half a decade now.

We are not anywhere near the breaking point to get the "middle" of this country to stop indulging their bullshit.

Mister Ed

(5,944 posts)
3. Answers to your questions below:
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:12 PM
Nov 2022
Q: Are there that many stupid people out there?
A: Yes.

Q: Are there that many racists?
A: Yes.

Q: Are there that many malicious pricks?
A: Yes.

librechik

(30,676 posts)
4. That's the long term plan: defund public schools and urge them to cut civics and history
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:15 PM
Nov 2022

Mission accomplished. Another 50 yr plan from the dynastic fascists in the US.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
8. That's what I think is their plan and it's working. I often think..
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:20 PM
Nov 2022

.... about Xi Jioping's (sp?) comment to Biden that the world is too complicated for ordinary people to govern it. We seem to be well on our way to proving it so....

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
6. Yup. Even though we're doing better than pundits said, the real story here is...
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:18 PM
Nov 2022

.. that ALMOST HALF of the country support a party that doesn't value truth.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
9. This Is Why I Say, Regardless Of Individual Elections, America Cannot Be Saved
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:25 PM
Nov 2022

The future is Bleak, any way you look at it.

UNITED States? LOL!!! We couldn't even be "united" when facing a non-political, once in 100 years, Pandemic.

LeftinOH

(5,358 posts)
10. "We're not a democracy..we're a republic!" they say..
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:26 PM
Nov 2022

.....that tiresome mantra is pretty much baked-in to modern conservative ideology. They LITERALLY do not believe in democracy - and they're more than happy to give you a (boneheaded) "civics lesson" on the matter. PragerU is really big with this narrative.

Cyrano

(15,063 posts)
12. No one who believes in democracy would opt for a one party system
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 02:58 PM
Nov 2022

Any stable democratic system requires at least two parties with differing philosophies.

But those parties must be sane. So let me answer your question.

DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE PARTY OF TRUMP IS A LEGITIMATE POLITICAL ENTITY?

sarisataka

(18,779 posts)
14. Democracy does not mean
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 03:10 PM
Nov 2022

Voting the same as I do.

If a person is a stupid, racist prick who wants to vote for a similar candidate who will work against their own voter's interests- that is still democracy.

Sometimes it's true:

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.

H. L. Mencken

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
15. The thing is that our nation has been almost evenly divided
Wed Nov 9, 2022, 03:13 PM
Nov 2022

politically for a very long time. What that means is that democracy reflects that division. Sometimes, one side wins. Sometimes, it's the other side that wins.

Both sides are made up of people, each of whom, ostensibly, has the right to vote in elections. That's the very definition of democracy.

But, we don't live in a democratic country. Instead, we live in a country that is a representative democratic republic. People don't vote on issues; they vote for people who will vote for them on issues. That's the structure that is set up in our Constitution.

So, what you are describing is simply the norm. It is how this country works. Sometimes one side wins. Sometimes the other side wins.

That is the bottom line of our system of government. It is up to us to convince people that our side should win. Individually, we just get one vote apiece. We can gather together to convince others to vote the way we want. If we fail to do that, the other side will win.

It's pretty simple, really. Truly it is.

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