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turbinetree

(27,546 posts)
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 11:25 AM Nov 2022

Men jump onto Chicago school bus and make Nazi threats against Jewish students

By Travis Gettys
Published November 11, 2022

A group of men stormed a school bus and hurled antisemitic threats against a 12-year-old boy at Chicago's West Rogers Park in the 2800 block of Jerome Street.

Police said the bus had been dropping off elementary students from a nearby Orthodox Jewish school Wednesday about 5 p.m. when the men jumped on board and engaged in menacing behavior, although no one was injured, reported the Chicago Tribune.

“At one stop, four men jumped into the bus, hurled antisemitic slurs, and performed the ‘Heil Hitler’ salute at terrorized children,” said Alison Pure Slovin, a spokesperson from the Simon Wiesenthal Center, in a statement.

https://www.rawstory.com/chicago-school-bus-nazi/

My question is there not cameras on school buses now days......if they are.....then this fucking group of fascist fucking nazis, should seriously be and have the book thrown at them and they can rot in jail....

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Men jump onto Chicago school bus and make Nazi threats against Jewish students (Original Post) turbinetree Nov 2022 OP
What the h@$)$!! Quakerfriend Nov 2022 #1
Illinois fucking Nazis Aviation Pro Nov 2022 #2
This is a line my husband and I quote quite a bit, I'm in a red county. Bluethroughu Nov 2022 #18
Yeah where are Jake and Elwood when you need them? Initech Nov 2022 #21
Thanks for posting. n/t TeamProg Nov 2022 #27
I hate Illinois Nazis IronLionZion Nov 2022 #36
You sure this was, technically-speaking, illegal? Hugh_Lebowski Nov 2022 #3
I was thinking of terrorist threats when I read the article turbinetree Nov 2022 #5
I think our domestic terrorism laws are fairly weak. The focus has been on terrorism by foreigners. Lonestarblue Nov 2022 #44
I mean I don't know the law but EarlG Nov 2022 #9
Isn't It At Least Trespassing ProfessorGAC Nov 2022 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Hugh_Lebowski Nov 2022 #12
I did say that ;) Hugh_Lebowski Nov 2022 #13
Yeah, I Know ProfessorGAC Nov 2022 #15
Yes, trespassing I'd think wnylib Nov 2022 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Nov 2022 #16
This happened in Chicago. nt Chellee Nov 2022 #55
Trespassing, disorderly conduct. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2022 #17
Yes, it is. Especially a school bus n/t kcr Nov 2022 #35
How about terrorism and hate crimes against children IronLionZion Nov 2022 #37
Well, it's not terrorism because it's not against the government Hugh_Lebowski Nov 2022 #42
Terrorism can be against civilians, doesn't have to be government IronLionZion Nov 2022 #45
I know it doesn't have to physically be an act carried out against a government official Hugh_Lebowski Nov 2022 #54
Terroristic Threatening billh58 Nov 2022 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Nov 2022 #53
Thank the Orange Fuhrer for this. magicarpet Nov 2022 #4
Oh yeah. This is the kind of shit I want to hear about, on Veterans Day. Paladin Nov 2022 #6
My thought exactly Traildogbob Nov 2022 #24
Indeed. What a slap in the face to their sacrifice. calimary Nov 2022 #48
Not shocking they did this the day before veterans day. Emile Nov 2022 #7
Just mind boggling kwolf68 Nov 2022 #8
We have national and state hate crime laws for a reason. SharonClark Nov 2022 #11
West Rogers Park is a predominately Jewish neighborhood in Chicago. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2022 #14
Hate crime...lock them up. Bluethroughu Nov 2022 #19
Those poor kids. I hope they catch the assholes. chowder66 Nov 2022 #20
I hope they get arrested. They were terrorizing children. Making threats. Solly Mack Nov 2022 #22
Only acceptable thing to do with Nazi dipshits: Initech Nov 2022 #23
Although nothing about this thread should inspire a laugh, I can't... NNadir Nov 2022 #25
These creeps should need Turbineguy Nov 2022 #26
hair furhair must be very pleased with his "very fine people" there. Justice matters. Nov 2022 #28
That is a serious crime. lpbk2713 Nov 2022 #29
I agee 3auld6phart Nov 2022 #30
What a bunch of punks! Going after kids is so manly tulipsandroses Nov 2022 #31
When are the leaders of the white community going to address this? Iggo Nov 2022 #32
i am so tired of this nonsense . AllaN01Bear Nov 2022 #33
On Veterans's Day. Grins Nov 2022 #34
In Chicago? Wow! lindysalsagal Nov 2022 #38
Link to the Chicago Trib article, where they say it happened on the anniversary of Kristallnacht ms liberty Nov 2022 #39
In Chicago? Wow! lindysalsagal Nov 2022 #40
Why is it mostly or males that do these things? nt jerseyjim Nov 2022 #43
Woody Allen and I agree on how to handle Nazis ZonkerHarris Nov 2022 #46
Yep. Nazis and Zombies. Iggo Nov 2022 #51
Some really manly men there taking on 12 year olds. NoMoreRepugs Nov 2022 #49
It's because schoolchildren don't fight back against cowards the way construction workers would Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #50
Just more of Dump's very fine people Blue Owl Nov 2022 #52

Quakerfriend

(5,882 posts)
1. What the h@$)$!!
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 11:30 AM
Nov 2022

Last edited Fri Nov 11, 2022, 01:54 PM - Edit history (1)

They ought to be able to catch them pretty easily.

In Colombia, some school buses have armed guards onboard. I hope we don’t come to this!

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
18. This is a line my husband and I quote quite a bit, I'm in a red county.
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 12:18 PM
Nov 2022

We crack up every time.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
3. You sure this was, technically-speaking, illegal?
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 11:34 AM
Nov 2022

I don't know either way, I mean it should be, but ... has anyone ever thought to write up a law addressing this sort of situation?

Probably at least trespassing, but people are rarely jailed for that.

turbinetree

(27,546 posts)
5. I was thinking of terrorist threats when I read the article
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 11:39 AM
Nov 2022

and I really don't know if there are any laws on the books for this.......

Lonestarblue

(13,480 posts)
44. I think our domestic terrorism laws are fairly weak. The focus has been on terrorism by foreigners.
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 02:05 PM
Nov 2022

Time to add some laws and maybe something to deal with the armed self-appointed militias in this country. Most are domestic terrorists.

EarlG

(23,631 posts)
9. I mean I don't know the law but
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 11:42 AM
Nov 2022

it's a $300 fine for just driving past a stopped school bus in Illinois.

My guess is that there are numerous ways someone could be charged for actually boarding a school bus and threatening the kids...

ProfessorGAC

(76,702 posts)
10. Isn't It At Least Trespassing
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 11:43 AM
Nov 2022

The school bus is private property. They were not invited guests.
At the very least, I’d think they’d be in violation of trespassing laws.
Laws about taking a threatening posture against a child probably exist, too. But, I don’t know that for sure.

Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #10)

wnylib

(26,009 posts)
41. Yes, trespassing I'd think
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 02:00 PM
Nov 2022

Also, endangering the welfare of children. Depending on what they said, making terroristic threats might be applicable.

But personally, I'd have been delighted if one or more of the kids had been trained in kick boxing and had sent the fascist creeps into 2100.

Response to Hugh_Lebowski (Reply #3)

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,461 posts)
17. Trespassing, disorderly conduct.
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 12:13 PM
Nov 2022

Unlawful restraint - if they held the bus up for a few seconds and or restricted the driver’s actions/movement in any way.

Sure, people are “rarely” jailed for trespassing. People rarely jump on a bus full of Jewish schoolchildren and make Nazi salutes. So there’s that. This might be a good time to make use of those laws.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
42. Well, it's not terrorism because it's not against the government
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 02:02 PM
Nov 2022

And if what they did was jump on board, shout Sieg Hiel a few times, and make Nazi salutes, and then get off the bus, with nobody physically harmed?

I'd say there's a decent chance that legally ... that's just trespassing.

I wish it were different, and certainly these assholes should be ID'd, shamed, shunned, and cancelled.

But not sure they're be prosecuted for anything worse than trespassing.

With it were different but that's my guess

IronLionZion

(51,267 posts)
45. Terrorism can be against civilians, doesn't have to be government
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 02:06 PM
Nov 2022
https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/terrorism



Google definition:

ter·ror·ism
/ˈterəˌrizəm/
Learn to pronounce
noun
noun: terrorism
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
"the fight against terrorism"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
54. I know it doesn't have to physically be an act carried out against a government official
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 05:30 PM
Nov 2022

But the definition involves an attempt at changing government policy or makeup or whatnot ... through violence or threats thereof.

I'm just not sure these assholes actions ... meet that criteria.

I think it would be a tough slog for prosecutors to charge anything like terrorism, put it like that.

This is SUPER OFFENSIVE, HORRIBLE SHIT, to be very clear

But ultimately I think it will be concluded by prosecutors ... that all they can nail them on is trespassing.

billh58

(6,655 posts)
47. Terroristic Threatening
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 02:22 PM
Nov 2022
Terroristic Threatening - The Legal Definition

Law Firm in Houston: HG.org

Terroristic threatening usually involves the communication and intent to engage in terrorizing another person through words or deeds which can lead to other actions such as an evacuation of a location, inconvenience and other complications. The specific purpose of these actions is to instill terror in the victims through the actions or words of the perpetrator.

https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/terroristic-threatening-the-legal-definition-52739


Response to Hugh_Lebowski (Reply #3)

magicarpet

(18,509 posts)
4. Thank the Orange Fuhrer for this.
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 11:34 AM
Nov 2022

Unleashing the Fascist extremists on America.

These are good people expressing their 1st Amendment Rights of free speech and political expressions.

God Bless these patriotic Americans.

Fuck this Nazi bullshit.
 

Paladin

(32,354 posts)
6. Oh yeah. This is the kind of shit I want to hear about, on Veterans Day.
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 11:41 AM
Nov 2022

Think of the hundreds of thousands of our nation's military personnel, who have suffered pain, suffering and death over the years. Then think of these antisemitic goons terrorizing children on a school bus. Whatever punishment they receive will be inadequate.

Traildogbob

(13,018 posts)
24. My thought exactly
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 01:13 PM
Nov 2022

Honoring our veterans. This one would love a little time with those shit stains. Feel pretty damn sure most of my fellow vets would love the same.
Were Kanye and Kyrie financing and encouraging the attack?

calimary

(90,018 posts)
48. Indeed. What a slap in the face to their sacrifice.
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 02:22 PM
Nov 2022

I hope and pray that there WILL be punishment. Hell may await them but I want to see earthly punishment for these goons NOW.

Threatening KIDS????? Despicable and Unconscionable!!!

Emile

(42,289 posts)
7. Not shocking they did this the day before veterans day.
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 11:41 AM
Nov 2022

After all these years since the end of WW2 and we have Nazi's in the United States.

greatauntoftriplets

(179,005 posts)
14. West Rogers Park is a predominately Jewish neighborhood in Chicago.
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 11:59 AM
Nov 2022

In 1999, there was a series of shootings by a follower of Matthew Hale that terrorized West Rogers Park.


https://forward.com/culture/426735/white-supremacist-chicago-jews-ricky-byrdsong-benjamin-smith-1999/

Just before sunset on July 2, 1999, a Ford Crown Vic approached 15-year-old Ephraim Wolfe in Chicago’s West Rogers Park.

A bullet had just torn a dime-sized hole in Wolfe’s leg, a couple of inches below the knee. The friend with whom he’d been walking had run to a nearby house for help, and Wolfe was alone. He was bleeding badly, and his leg had swelled to twice its normal size, but his body was in shock, and he didn’t feel any pain. Perhaps one minute had passed since he’d dismissed two explosive pops from the window of a passing car as early July 4 fireworks, only to look down and see blood.

Wolfe watched the Crown Vic. It was driving the wrong way down the one-way street. He screamed for his friend, thinking that the gunman was back. And he said the Shema.

Solly Mack

(96,942 posts)
22. I hope they get arrested. They were terrorizing children. Making threats.
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 12:59 PM
Nov 2022

Using hate speech.

This wasn't some exercise in free speech. This was an attack. Against children.





NNadir

(38,045 posts)
25. Although nothing about this thread should inspire a laugh, I can't...
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 01:15 PM
Nov 2022

...suppress one.

lpbk2713

(43,273 posts)
29. That is a serious crime.
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 01:34 PM
Nov 2022


It should be multiplied by the number of students on the bus at the time.

And of course they will say they're sorry. Sorry they got caught.

3auld6phart

(1,683 posts)
30. I agee
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 01:40 PM
Nov 2022

Cameras. and if m caught. Maximum sentences allowed. That is way beyond
Horrndous. What tell hell is the matter with nazi wannabes %?

tulipsandroses

(8,251 posts)
31. What a bunch of punks! Going after kids is so manly
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 01:41 PM
Nov 2022

Since their type tend to pride themselves on being the ultimate male. Didn’t know that attacking kids was a manly thing to do.

Grins

(9,459 posts)
34. On Veterans's Day.
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 01:53 PM
Nov 2022

They (all Republicans) assault a 12-year old Jewish boy.

That whirling sound you hear is Eisenhower. And FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Bush and Reagan.

Now ask Trump if he condemns this.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
50. It's because schoolchildren don't fight back against cowards the way construction workers would
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 02:25 PM
Nov 2022

(for example)

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