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kentuck

(115,598 posts)
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:35 AM Nov 2022

The primary reason Trump wants to make his "announcement" as soon as possible?

He is scared shitless that the DOJ will beat him to the punch and indict him before he can announce. For some reason, he seems to believe that if he is a candidate for the Presidency, that somehow immunizes him from any prosecution?

He does not want to be charged with seditious conspiracy or obstruction or theft of government documents or any of the other crimes he has committed in broad daylight.

He is presently in his self-survival mode. He would destroy the world to save himself.

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The primary reason Trump wants to make his "announcement" as soon as possible? (Original Post) kentuck Nov 2022 OP
The indictments should be announced the morning that TFG intends no_hypocrisy Nov 2022 #1
He is a private citizen, not an elected official at this juncture. ProudMNDemocrat Nov 2022 #2
I'm not holding my breath. GPV Nov 2022 #3
I'm losing faith in the DOJ that he will ever be prosecuted. I wish there was a way to Maraya1969 Nov 2022 #4
I think they want it airtight, among other considerations. Joinfortmill Nov 2022 #11
There are 2 DOJ grand juries working hard, hearing testimony and looking at evidence. emulatorloo Nov 2022 #17
but ... Yonnie3 Nov 2022 #5
He will claim the only reason he was indicted was because he entered the race. Raven123 Nov 2022 #6
I now wish for Trump to divide and destroy the Republicans Tribetime Nov 2022 #7
The DoJ can't indict anyone this close to Christmas Effete Snob Nov 2022 #8
Too close to the 2023 election too. durablend Nov 2022 #16
Well, you see the 2024 newdayneeded Nov 2022 #32
Can't do it in a leap year Effete Snob Nov 2022 #34
I think his money supply is drying up. It's his only grift left. nt Wounded Bear Nov 2022 #9
DOJ should move quickly to charge the traitor. Joinfortmill Nov 2022 #10
Garland has seen this coming for months and didn't move forward on ANY indictments Mr. Ected Nov 2022 #12
Garland WA-03 Democrat Nov 2022 #14
2 DOJ Grand Juries working hard right now. They decide if Trump is indicted. emulatorloo Nov 2022 #19
I understand your point WA-03 Democrat Nov 2022 #30
Donald J Trump WA-03 Democrat Nov 2022 #13
Recommended. H2O Man Nov 2022 #15
I hadn't thought of that... kentuck Nov 2022 #18
Yes. He'll base his entire campaign on it. Buckeyeblue Nov 2022 #20
Well said n/t emulatorloo Nov 2022 #22
Right. H2O Man Nov 2022 #24
+1 dalton99a Nov 2022 #27
Recommended. You are right. For some reason he believes he has immunity. He doesn't. emulatorloo Nov 2022 #21
Is there a difference? WA-03 Democrat Nov 2022 #31
I'm not expecting it but wouldn't it be great for the DOJ to indict him for both the documents lees1975 Nov 2022 #23
I think the primary reason for him to declare now is to get out in front of DeSantis. onenote Nov 2022 #25
Absolutely. David__77 Nov 2022 #28
In the meantime why can't Congress pass something to protect us ecstatic Nov 2022 #26
Once he's a candidate, the RNC stops paying his legal bills gratuitous Nov 2022 #29
He won't be indicted. BlackSkimmer Nov 2022 #33
I think you're right. newdayneeded Nov 2022 #36
Traitortrump was illegally IN POSSESSION OF Top Secret docs and walks free. Would you be free? Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2022 #35

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,978 posts)
2. He is a private citizen, not an elected official at this juncture.
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:37 AM
Nov 2022

He can be and should be indicted for the crimes against this country he committed. The DOJ has all the evidence they need to bring him to trial.

Maraya1969

(23,558 posts)
4. I'm losing faith in the DOJ that he will ever be prosecuted. I wish there was a way to
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:43 AM
Nov 2022

ask Merrick Garland why he is dragging his feet on this or why he is deciding not to prosecute.

It is so unfair to the rest of us that certain people can do whatever they want and never have to face the consequences.

emulatorloo

(46,155 posts)
17. There are 2 DOJ grand juries working hard, hearing testimony and looking at evidence.
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 12:30 PM
Nov 2022

On for stolen documents, the other for Jan 6th. You may have read about recent cases where judges have forced Trump people to testify.

The Grand Juries are basically the ones who indict.

But that have to finish the cases before they make a judgement. It sounds like DOJ is working them pretty hard.

Yonnie3

(19,567 posts)
5. but ...
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:44 AM
Nov 2022

He then will have significant restraints on the money he collects from the rubes.

He will need to weigh this trade-off, assuming he is even capable of rational thought.

I'm thinking that it is possible that this will be a tease and stay tuned announcement as is his habit. This might increase the donations without the constraints.

I've been known to be wrong occasionally (err some).

Tribetime

(7,145 posts)
7. I now wish for Trump to divide and destroy the Republicans
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 10:45 AM
Nov 2022

As much as possible the next 2 yrs.

Mr. Ected

(9,714 posts)
12. Garland has seen this coming for months and didn't move forward on ANY indictments
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 11:11 AM
Nov 2022

Had he at least reached for the lowest-hanging fruit, the biggest no-brainer, charges, like obstruction, or taking custody of government documents, ANYTHING, the remainder of charges could have dropped in a cascade over time...and thwarted the notion that a former sitting President announcing another run for the presidency is somehow immune from prosecution.

Not that I believe that such would be the case, but since we have no Constitutional or court precedent to deign otherwise, I'm sure DOJ would twist itself into knots for years if the issue was raised by Trump.

INDICT TODAY!!!

WA-03 Democrat

(3,365 posts)
14. Garland
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 12:24 PM
Nov 2022

Is not the right person for the job. He is making the problem worse. Justice delayed is justice denied.


Give Trump a fair trail. The facts are against him. Then proceed with punishment.

Why is he above the law?

emulatorloo

(46,155 posts)
19. 2 DOJ Grand Juries working hard right now. They decide if Trump is indicted.
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 12:33 PM
Nov 2022

They are hearing testimony and seeing evidence. The DOJ is presenting the cases.

There have been recent cases in the courts where judges have compelled Trump loyalists they have to comply and testify. So there is a lot of stuff happening.

WA-03 Democrat

(3,365 posts)
30. I understand your point
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 02:12 PM
Nov 2022

It is about results and the rule of law. How much time does it take to Indict a crime like the insurrection on January 6 where it was broadcast live on TV? We have some minnows but no fish. They disconnected the panic alarms, did not give the CPD backup, they wanted to kill Nancy and Pence. All of this so Trump could remain president after he lost (again).
Reality Winner took one document from the NSA and was in jail in less then 8 months. The DOJ is not performing to standard of equal right and punishment under the law. Surely someone who wants to steal the country can be brought to justice.

Trump has a tee time this afternoon
Rudy is getting a massage this afternoon
Flynn is encourage more insurrection 24/7

It’s them or us. The little law we have in this country only applies to Democratics. So at best 50% support the rule of law.

How long should we wait? Windows open and then they close. They are delaying justice to get Republicans back in office to make this go away. Who will remove this cancer eating away freely ginned up by the media and foreign enemies? The DOJ which Trump infected? Nope

WA-03 Democrat

(3,365 posts)
13. Donald J Trump
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 12:22 PM
Nov 2022

Has a tee time today and walks free. Show me charges because it way past time.

H2O Man

(79,238 posts)
15. Recommended.
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 12:28 PM
Nov 2022

He knows that if is is indicted after announcing, it will increase his fund-raising ability among the cult members.

kentuck

(115,598 posts)
18. I hadn't thought of that...
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 12:30 PM
Nov 2022

But it will give him more reason to play the victim card.

Buckeyeblue

(6,436 posts)
20. Yes. He'll base his entire campaign on it.
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 12:36 PM
Nov 2022

Ironically enough, his being indicted is the only thing that can inject enthusiasm into his campaign. What else does he have?

H2O Man

(79,238 posts)
24. Right.
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 12:41 PM
Nov 2022

Trump is aware that Election Day enhanced the shift away from him within the republican party. He will seek to use this as a display of power.

WA-03 Democrat

(3,365 posts)
31. Is there a difference?
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 02:16 PM
Nov 2022

Trump has immunity- I assert that because he breaks the law constantly with no repercussions. The man has done this his entire life that’s the way he is above the law. Equal justice for all Americans.

lees1975

(7,184 posts)
23. I'm not expecting it but wouldn't it be great for the DOJ to indict him for both the documents
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 12:38 PM
Nov 2022

and January 6th on Monday, and hold him in custody without bond?

David__77

(24,857 posts)
28. Absolutely.
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 01:24 PM
Nov 2022

If anything he should have declared the very day after election and sped it up. I’m sure the Republican operatives and officials still know that he has all the leverage and they have none.

ecstatic

(35,133 posts)
26. In the meantime why can't Congress pass something to protect us
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 01:20 PM
Nov 2022

from future trumps including the real one? They can start with requiring tax returns and total divestment. Would MAGAts really disagree with that? Seems like a bill like that would get through effortlessly if they keep it simple.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
29. Once he's a candidate, the RNC stops paying his legal bills
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 01:31 PM
Nov 2022

A consideration not to be overlooked.

 

newdayneeded

(2,493 posts)
36. I think you're right.
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 08:10 PM
Nov 2022

I've said it here before, I believe the fbi and Cia ran risk assessments on the mayhem in the streets from the armed right wingers and decided it would be to dangerous if trump were indicted. This may have even come from Biden. think about it, he would be presiding over the worst street riots probably ever. 1000s dead in the streets. the armed trumpers would be shooting at anybody non Hitler.

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
35. Traitortrump was illegally IN POSSESSION OF Top Secret docs and walks free. Would you be free?
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 07:43 PM
Nov 2022
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