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marmar

(79,741 posts)
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 11:12 AM Nov 2022

It was a good election day for Dems, but not for the NY congressional delegation.....


..... and this Slate article was kind of an eye-opener for me:


If a Red Wave Hits New York, Blame Andrew Cuomo
The former governor stacked New York’s highest court with conservatives who hijacked the state’s redistricting process.

BY ALEXANDER SAMMON
NOV 01, 20225:45 AM


Today, all of that seems like a far-off fantasy.

A startling nine of New York’s 26 congressional seats are currently in play for the GOP; party leaders are flocking to the state to help campaign for Democrats holding on by a thread. Jill Biden announced Thursday that she would campaign for one such Democrat, Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney, who opted to run in an easier, bluer district and was put in charge of House Democrats’ entire national reelection apparatus, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. He’s now on the ropes.

What the hell happened here? And who’s to blame?

Luckily, there’s an easy answer for the last question: Look no further than erstwhile Democratic governor Andrew Cuomo.

If Cuomo is known for anything beyond his miscreant behavior in office, it should be for his willingness to abet the state’s conservative forces for his personal gain, often to his own party’s disadvantage. Nowhere was this more obvious than his judicial appointments, where Cuomo routinely elevated conservative appointees—gleefully scoring points against his progressive opponents in Albany and New York City by moving the judicial branch rapidly to the right.

In particular, he appointed four conservative-leaning judges to 14-year terms on the Court of Appeals, the state’s highest judicial body. They are the former Republican Janet DiFiore, Republican Michael Garcia, and conservative Democrats Anthony Cannatarro and Madeline Singas. Forming a majority of the court’s seven members, these four emerged as a bloc in the most recent session, voting together in 96 of 98 cases during the term that ended in mid 2022. ..............(more)

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/11/2022-midterms-new-york-republicans-cuomo-maloney.html




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It was a good election day for Dems, but not for the NY congressional delegation..... (Original Post) marmar Nov 2022 OP
"Cuomo set the stage for the return of the Republican Party in New York" dalton99a Nov 2022 #1
The argument fails from it's initial premise. The Court of Appeals did not "hijack the redistricting lapucelle Nov 2022 #13
KNR niyad Nov 2022 #2
I spoke with a friend of mine who lives in NY randr Nov 2022 #3
I don't think we should dismiss AkFemDem Nov 2022 #4
Exactly Me. Nov 2022 #6
Folks on twitter are flogging this WFP narrative. These WFP talking points are superficial and lapucelle Nov 2022 #5
I Salute Your Effort Me. Nov 2022 #7
The WFP is largely motivated by self-interest. lapucelle Nov 2022 #17
We've Seen A Lot Of That Haven't We Me. Nov 2022 #18
We've heard from all sorts of opportunists this week. lapucelle Nov 2022 #19
Sigh Me. Nov 2022 #20
Thank you for this informed, local report. yardwork Nov 2022 #8
Thank you, I didn't trust the OP article and was wondering what the real story was. betsuni Nov 2022 #12
I would think people could agree Cuomo was harmful even without this. David__77 Nov 2022 #9
We need analysis and a path forward, not ridiculous agenda-driven fingerpointing lapucelle Nov 2022 #10
Like how to change or overcome that court and re-redistrict. David__77 Nov 2022 #11
One way to have overcome that ruling would have been to submit a revised map lapucelle Nov 2022 #14
Post removed Post removed Nov 2022 #15
In what way did we NY Democrats not turn our attention to defeating Republicans? N/T lapucelle Nov 2022 #16
K & R +1000 The 2014 Constitutional redistricting change was also a Cuomo-led dodgy gambit Celerity Nov 2022 #21

dalton99a

(94,133 posts)
1. "Cuomo set the stage for the return of the Republican Party in New York"
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 11:17 AM
Nov 2022
Cuomo is now on the comeback trail, hocking a new podcast titled As a Matter of Fact … With Andrew Cuomo. He recently announced the creation of a new political action committee, dedicated to electing “the right people to office.” He also maintains control of an election account with millions of dollars.

But his national legacy of leaving the Democrats scrambling in his home state should precede him. The centrist governor, who hamstrung New York Democrats for the entirety of the 2010s, has also positioned his own party to suffer for the remainder of the current decade, all the way up to the national level, giving Republicans new life in a state where registered Democrats outnumber Republicans two-to-one. As Nnaemeka told me: “Cuomo set the stage for the return of the Republican Party in New York.”

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
13. The argument fails from it's initial premise. The Court of Appeals did not "hijack the redistricting
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 03:31 PM
Nov 2022

process". Court rulings were based on a provision in the NYS Constitution. The NYS Legislature was given the first bite of the apple in drawing a revised map, an opportunity which they failed to act on.

In addition, given the depth and breadth progressive legislation that was passed during Cuomo's tenure (despite a Republican-controlled state senate through 2018) the "centrist Democrat" implied pejorative just doesn't fit.

As for Andrew Cuomo's judicial nominees, the state constitution requires that the governor select a nominee from the a list of candidates screened and submitted by the independent Commission on Judicial Nomination. Both "conservative Democrats" nominated by Andrew Cuomo came from that list and were confirmed by a Democratic-majority NYS Senate.

The last time Andrew Cuomo ran for governor (2018), the Working Families Party endorsed him. WFP also endorsed Cuomo in 2014 and 2010. Cuomo ran on the the WFP line (as well as the Democratic Party line) in all three general elections.

I wonder why Slate's ace reporter Alexander Sammon never mentioned any of this in his article.

randr

(12,648 posts)
3. I spoke with a friend of mine who lives in NY
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 11:22 AM
Nov 2022

He is an active politico and is furious. He offered apologies.
The greed of power does not have an ideology.

 

AkFemDem

(2,508 posts)
4. I don't think we should dismiss
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 11:41 AM
Nov 2022

The impact of crime rates in NY.

NYC crime rates increased over 15% in the last year (and this is following two previous years of crime increases, so it’s building on a cumulative effect)

While in many cities/states crime impact is often overstated by republicans as an us against them ploy to play on fears of immigration and racial tensions, in NYC there has been an actual measured *significant* increase. For several reasons, many people associate “tough on crime” with republicans.

Of course NY is a large state, not everyone lives in the city where this has had such an impact- but media attention then amplifies “New York City lawlessness” into “New York lawlessness” and it doesn’t only fall on deaf ears. While some top issues are universal, many are unique to a specific region or state and in the case of NY, crime IS an issue when you listen to voters.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
6. Exactly
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 12:56 PM
Nov 2022

Kathy Hocul was lucky to win IMHO. She was/is really wearing binders about crime saying it wasn't/isn't so bad. The fact the the race was as close as it was is a big signal and NYC had to pull her chestnuts out of the dire. Further, people have begged her to replace an ineffectual DA Bragg and she refuses to do so. So there are probably many reasons for what is going on but she is not blameless.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
5. Folks on twitter are flogging this WFP narrative. These WFP talking points are superficial and
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 12:22 PM
Nov 2022

facile for many of us who worked the NY races.

First and foremost, our state constitution interdicts gerrymandering. The Court of Appeals found that our newly redrawn map violated that provision. A lower court had already given the legislature to correct and then resubmit a revised map. The legislature chose not to exercise that option.

The NYS legislature passed up the opportunity to resubmit an amended map. Because it failed to act, we are stuck with the map drawn by a special master until the next census. The NYS Court of Appeals did not "hijack the redistricting process". The NYS legislature rolled the dice and lost.

Secondly, in an effort to elect Lee Zeldin governor, conservative superpacs flooded the zone with tens of millions of dollars in attack ads and mailers tying Democratic candidates to apocryphal "radical socialist, 'defund-the-police' agendas". Lee Zeldin is under investigation for illegally coordinating with those superpacs.

I worked very hard this year (like I do every two years) to keep NY-4 blue. That seat flipped red (at least in part) because the Lee Zeldin campaign had a coattail effect, even though Lee Zeldin himself lost.

It appears that New Yorkers were somewhat complacent about the Hobbs decision because NYS legislature codified Roe in 2019, and Andrew Cuomo signed the bill into law. Meanwhile the right wing superpac cash machine amplified the "crime / inflation / "dangerous radical left/ socialist Biden agenda" messaging 24/7 for several weeks.

We are devastated in Nassau County over our losses. No one I know on the ground is blaming the NYS Court of Appeals, former Governor Cuomo, or apocryphal "conservative Democrats".

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/what-went-wrong-new-yorks-redistricting
https://www.nysfocus.com/2022/11/04/lee-zeldin-kathy-hochul-super-pac-donors/
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/27/nyregion/zeldin-super-pac.html


Me.

(35,454 posts)
7. I Salute Your Effort
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 01:02 PM
Nov 2022

Along with those who worked so hard. You are correct in your post and frankly I place the blame on others than those mentioned, starting with Hocul as I said above. And the even the mayor is on the hook as far as I'm concerned. I also believe it was the issue of crime that Maloney down. You only have to look at the ads that were run about crime news footage of toddlers dodging bullets to see how devastating it was.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
17. The WFP is largely motivated by self-interest.
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 11:58 AM
Nov 2022

They need to clear a vote total threshold in order to maintain their political party status and ballot line in NY elections.

They are famous for aligning with Democrats in general elections to achieve that goal and then trash-talking Democrats once elections are over.

The WFP is a POLITICAL PARTY somewhat loosely aligned with (some) Democrats in between elections. This is the third or fourth thread about the Slate article.

I'm not sure why anyone is bringing another political party's divisive talking points to DU.



Me.

(35,454 posts)
18. We've Seen A Lot Of That Haven't We
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 12:45 PM
Nov 2022

Trash talking from within and from those we thought were our allies...aka the Susan Sarandon wing of the party. Rather than helping us they help the cons with their decisiveness.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
19. We've heard from all sorts of opportunists this week.
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 01:21 PM
Nov 2022

It almost seems as if they're glad this happened.

For those of us who fought hard cycle after cycle to flip/keep NY-3 and NY-4 blue, this is devastating.

Come January we will be represented by an anti-choice election denier who attended the January 6 insurrection and a pro-gun, anti-choice local politico under ethics investigation for his role in awarding contracts to one of his major donors.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
8. Thank you for this informed, local report.
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 01:13 PM
Nov 2022

The Slate article doesn't make logical sense to me. Democrats can't count on gerrymandering - it's undemocratic and wrong.

Democrats had a bad day Tuesday in North Carolina, too. We don't have Cuomo to blame. There are problems with the national Democratic Party's approach to campaigns, problems with our messaging. This could have been a blue wave. We lived to fight another day but we're still playing defense.

lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
10. We need analysis and a path forward, not ridiculous agenda-driven fingerpointing
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 02:02 PM
Nov 2022

at a governor who left office in 2021.



lapucelle

(21,061 posts)
14. One way to have overcome that ruling would have been to submit a revised map
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 03:55 PM
Nov 2022

before it was put in the hands of a special master.

Response to marmar (Original post)

Celerity

(54,410 posts)
21. K & R +1000 The 2014 Constitutional redistricting change was also a Cuomo-led dodgy gambit
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 03:15 PM
Nov 2022
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/what-went-wrong-new-yorks-redistricting

In 2014, one of Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s signature accomplishments was the passage of a constitutional amendment that changed the way the state’s political maps are drawn. Instead of the legislature drawing maps, a bipartisan advisory commission would draw maps in the first instance for consideration by the legislature. The amendment also for the first time created legally enforceable protections in state law against partisan gerrymandering.

At the time, Cuomo boasted that the amendment would “permanently reform the redistricting process in New York to once and for all end self-interested partisan gerrymandering.”

New York’s experience contrasts with that of states with more robust reforms like California and Michigan, where maps passed on a bipartisan basis (unanimously in California) and were upheld by courts. Here’s a look at three reasons why the New York process produced less than optimal results.

The 2014 New York reforms did not create a truly independent redistricting process.

Ultimately, most of the problems with how New York’s redistricting played out lie in the design of the 2014 reforms. Despite being described in New York law as “independent,” the changes in reality resulted in a process that remains far more open to political manipulation and is far less independent than those of states that adopted more comprehensive reforms.


Cuomo also prevented Dem control of the NY Senate for years with his Independent Democratic Conference (IDC) scheme. The IDC was a group of members of the New York State Senate from the Democratic Party who were elected as Democrats but formed a coalition to give the Republicans the majority in the chamber.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Democratic_Conference

Founded January 5, 2011
Dissolved April 16, 2018

Split from Democratic Party of New York
Merged into Democratic Party of New York

Ideology Modern liberalism
Conservative liberalism

Seats in the State Senate (at dissolution)
8 / 63

The Independent Democratic Conference (IDC) was a group of members of the New York State Senate from the Democratic Party who were elected as Democrats but formed a coalition to give the Republicans the majority in the chamber, and attempted to create an independent caucus or a third caucus in the New York State Senate or a third party in the State of New York and prevent the Republican Party from gerrymandering the state senate districts of the 8 IDC members. At the time of its dissolution, the IDC included eight members: Jeffrey D. Klein, Marisol Alcantara, Tony Avella, David Carlucci, Jesse Hamilton, Jose Peralta, Diane Savino, and David Valesky.

Klein, Savino, Valesky, and Carlucci formed the IDC in 2011 due to disagreements with John L. Sampson, the Democratic leader in the New York State Senate. The IDC allied itself with Senate Republicans throughout its existence. During the 2013–14 legislative session, the IDC and the Senate Republican Conference controlled the Senate jointly, as the Senate Republicans did not have sufficient numbers to form a governing majority on their own.

snip

In the November 2012 elections, Democrats won a majority of seats in the State Senate. Following the election, the IDC formed a bipartisan coalition with the Senate Republican Conference that enabled the two conferences to control the Senate despite the Democrats' numerical majority. Under their power-sharing arrangement, the IDC and the Senate Republicans agreed to " decide what bills [would] reach the Senate floor each day of the session", would "dole out committee assignments", would "have the power to make appointments to state and local boards", and would "share negotiations over the state budget". Klein and Skelos also agreed that the title of Senate President would shift back and forth between the two of them every two weeks. Additionally, Simcha Felder, a Democratic senator-elect, announced he would caucus with the Republicans.

In December 2012, the IDC recruited Malcolm Smith to join its ranks. This move was part of a failed attempt by Smith to secure the Republican Party nomination in the New York City mayoral election; Smith was indicted on federal corruption charges, which led to his expulsion from the IDC on April 14, 2013, and his eventual conviction. On February 26, 2014, Tony Avella left the Senate Democratic Conference to join the IDC.

Governor Andrew Cuomo was actively involved in the formation of the conference, encouraging it to maintain Republican leadership of the chamber and providing tactical advice in order to keep more liberal New York City Democrats out of power.


And he DID pack the courts with conservatives.

The former governor stacked New York’s highest court with conservatives who hijacked the state’s redistricting process.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/11/2022-midterms-new-york-republicans-cuomo-maloney.html

A year ago, Democrats were wise to the possibility that the midterms might get ugly, but they had high hopes for New York. Red states across the country were redrawing voting districts to a new extreme, shoring up congressional advantages for their party. New York, it seemed, could do the same for Democrats—make the state even bluer, a competitive rejoinder to a redistricting cycle that seemed certain to play to Republicans’ advantage.

The year 2021 marked the first time in a century that the New York Democrats had total control of state government, giving them unimpeded power in redistricting. Party leaders “optimistically predicted that new district lines could safeguard Democrats and imperil as many as five Republican seats,” noted the New York Times. Rumors circulated that Dems could lock in as much as a 23 to 3 advantage. Today, all of that seems like a far-off fantasy.

A startling nine of New York’s 26 congressional seats are currently in play for the GOP; party leaders are flocking to the state to help campaign for Democrats holding on by a thread. Jill Biden announced Thursday that she would campaign for one such Democrat, Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney, who opted to run in an easier, bluer district and was put in charge of House Democrats’ entire national reelection apparatus, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. He’s now on the ropes.

What the hell happened here? And who’s to blame?

Luckily, there’s an easy answer for the last question: Look no further than erstwhile Democratic governor Andrew Cuomo.

If Cuomo is known for anything beyond his miscreant behavior in office, it should be for his willingness to abet the state’s conservative forces for his personal gain, often to his own party’s disadvantage. Nowhere was this more obvious than his judicial appointments, where Cuomo routinely elevated conservative appointees—gleefully scoring points against his progressive opponents in Albany and New York City by moving the judicial branch rapidly to the right.

snip


His never-ending quest for power concentration and hatred of the NYC+ liberal/prog block in the 2 statehouse chambers, especially the Senate, his dodgy, so-called independent redistricting schemes, and his conservative court packing could likely be the coups de grâce that end up costing us control of the US House in 2022.

The original Dem map (26 seats, NY lost one seat to redistricting due to a TINY few thousand falling short in population)

in NY was

23-3 Dem favouring

21-5 strong Dem favouring

If we lose NY-22 (not looking good at all)

the final results will be a disastrous

15 Dem 11 Rethug


so a net swing loss of 12 to 16 seats (6 to 8 loss for us, 6 to 8 gain for the Rethugs)
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