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HariSeldon

(540 posts)
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 12:20 PM Nov 2022

Democrats' messaging failure on inflation

Inflation was the perfect topic for Republicans to run on; it's a gift from the universe to the opposition party, especially when it occurs world-wide. There is little to nothing the party in power can do to eliminate it once it ramps up because A) Congress is responsible for fiscal policy and rarely gets contentious things done quickly, and B) even if Congress broke records in getting legislation passed, it still takes time to go into effect and impact the economy. When inflation is world-wide, the situation is even worse: any effective measures to reduce inflation would strengthen the dollar (since other currencies are weakening with their own inflation) and negatively impact American exports.

Fighting inflation when it is world-wide as now is a political loser. Ignoring inflation -- a forefront, daily issue for many voters -- is also a political loser. When this situation occurs, Democrats need to respond with measures to support Americans most negatively impacted and simple explanations that cutting inflation will mean fewer jobs, and that's not the answer our country needs.

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Democrats' messaging failure on inflation (Original Post) HariSeldon Nov 2022 OP
Not talking about it is probably the best thing tactically. David__77 Nov 2022 #1
Nice backseat quarterbacking. LakeArenal Nov 2022 #2
You can't beat this sort of Monday-Morning Armchair Driving (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Nov 2022 #8
It is just silly. Besides that, it completely ignores the IRA of 2022. emulatorloo Nov 2022 #21
I hope we have more "messaging failure" like this in the future Fiendish Thingy Nov 2022 #3
Gee, thanks... Wounded Bear Nov 2022 #4
What failure? Ocelot II Nov 2022 #5
I dunno looks like they didn't fail too much on messaging nt AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2022 #6
Oh brother. blue neen Nov 2022 #7
Democrats' messaging on inflation was actually very very good bucolic_frolic Nov 2022 #9
The strong message which was used, but not enough, was to attack GOP tax cuts as inflationary. nt. andym Nov 2022 #10
Do You Think WE Might Be Allowed To Take A Breath Me. Nov 2022 #11
Oy. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2022 #12
Personally, I think abortion is an issue of democracy, civil rights, & health care. When 51%... Hekate Nov 2022 #13
Umm, the fed fights inflation cally Nov 2022 #14
I don't think monetary policy is the answer HariSeldon Nov 2022 #16
CPI Last 4 months: +0.9% (2.8% annualized) progree Nov 2022 #15
Perhaps A Strong Message Would Be FrankTC Nov 2022 #17
I agree with so much you've said HariSeldon Nov 2022 #19
... BumRushDaShow Nov 2022 #18
Agreed, Democrats are more fiscally responsible HariSeldon Nov 2022 #20
You have made an assumption BumRushDaShow Nov 2022 #22
Great analysis! Demsrule86 Nov 2022 #24
Well it didn't work for them now did it? Demsrule86 Nov 2022 #23
I am thrilled the outcome wasn't more dire HariSeldon Nov 2022 #25
I take it you are not a student of history. Joe Biden and the Democrats did something this Demsrule86 Nov 2022 #26
Just to make myself perfectly clear...this was not a dire outcome and exit polls show Demsrule86 Nov 2022 #27
Why in the world would anyone on Democratic Underground mcar Nov 2022 #28
It really makes one wonder, doesn't it? Clinging so very hard to words like "dire" ... Hekate Nov 2022 #29
Regardless of the situation, some on social media mcar Nov 2022 #31
No more DEMOCRATS IGNORE THE WORKING CLASS AND HAVE NO ECONOMIC MESSAGE crap. betsuni Nov 2022 #30

Fiendish Thingy

(22,459 posts)
3. I hope we have more "messaging failure" like this in the future
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 12:22 PM
Nov 2022

It seems to have worked well to focus on abortion and democracy this time…

bucolic_frolic

(54,496 posts)
9. Democrats' messaging on inflation was actually very very good
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 12:29 PM
Nov 2022

Joe Biden met with Powell a year ago, clearly he was told to do everything and anything and let the chips fall. It's better to do something substantial in a crisis than be paralyzed by it. Powell did the Fed thing, Biden managed the political end. Every administration faced with inflation has an economic program, and Biden's was a quantum leap. Only Nixon did more and those were wage and price controls which only delayed the problem and made it worse when controls came off.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
11. Do You Think WE Might Be Allowed To Take A Breath
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 12:47 PM
Nov 2022

before everyone starts telling us what the DEms did wrong despite the fact that despite mountainous problems they have/are doing as well as they did?

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
13. Personally, I think abortion is an issue of democracy, civil rights, & health care. When 51%...
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 12:50 PM
Nov 2022

… of the population turns on the TV and sees that the GOP wants to take all of that away from us, it has a way of overriding blather about inflation.

I don’t know what you mean by “negative impact,” but I sure know what I mean by “negative impact.”

cally

(21,844 posts)
14. Umm, the fed fights inflation
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 12:55 PM
Nov 2022

Historically, Congress rarely is able to respond quickly enough and this Congress did respond by cutting deficits. I’m old enough to remember price controls and Presidents calling summits asking business to not raise prices. Didn’t work much.

HariSeldon

(540 posts)
16. I don't think monetary policy is the answer
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 01:16 PM
Nov 2022

The Federal Reserve responded by raising overnight rates, and this seems to have us headed toward a recession. I suppose that, politically, doing something is better than doing nothing. But actually fighting inflation really needs to be done at the fiscal level and would be a bad idea right now because of the strengthening of the US dollar it would cause.

Instead, we need policies to provide assistance to those who are in poverty or moving significantly toward it due to inflation. I'm saying we can't effectively fight inflation, but need to reassure people we will mitigate its effects -- if Democrats are in control -- legislatively and administratively.

progree

(12,805 posts)
15. CPI Last 4 months: +0.9% (2.8% annualized)
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 01:16 PM
Nov 2022
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CUSR0000SA0

June ...... July .... August September October
295.328 295.271 295.620 296.761     298.062

Last 4 months: 298.062/295.328 = 1.0092575
(1.0092575-1) * 100% = 0.92575%

Annualized: (1.0092575^(12/4) - 1)*100%= 2.80%

FrankTC

(260 posts)
17. Perhaps A Strong Message Would Be
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 01:34 PM
Nov 2022

to point to corporate profiteering. There is evidence that large corporations used the inflationary environment to increase prices, which increased inflation further while enriching management and shareholders. I think the indispensable Katie Porter and her whiteboard pointed this out. On the other hand, she had a very close election, so I'm not sure how effective this message was. The problem I have with the whole messaging frame is that it seems to ignore significant variables and make invalid assumptions. It seems like the idea is that there is a proper power utterance that will persuade people to vote for Democrats, and it's only a matter of being clever enough at word smithing to find that power utterance and utter it. But in reality it's questionable that there is an audience for the utterance, at least in the sense of a persuadable audience. It's also questionable that Democrats have the means of purveyance. Of course Democrats can purchase ads and promulgate them, but there's nothing like the incessant hammering throughout all hours of the day, across all segments continuously, that Fox News and Hate Radio and the rest of the right wing propaganda apparatus are able to provide. The left has no equivalent apparatus. Moreover, even the non-right-wing media is hostile to Democratic ideas (for example, during the austerity years, the beltway view of Obama budgets was that they were inflationary, and mainstream centrist pundits were demanding balanced budgets). So the information dissemination infrastructure has been generally hostile to Democratic ideas, especially economic ideas (less so, I think, for ideas concerning social justice). And most of the voters who aren't already Democrats are unpersuadable (they pretend to themselves and others to be open minded but aren't). In this context I doubt that it's at all possible to craft a magic message that can somehow break through and convince a lot of people to vote for Democrats. At the same time there's a further assumption, that Democrats are a homogeneous group that can come up with an agreed-upon message. Democrats are a diverse outfit and they will predictably put out a variety of messages on any given issue. So, sure, maybe there's wrong ways to message ("Vote for X, he doesn't suck as much as Y&quot , but I suspect it's harder to find a single correct power message that will make a lot of difference. The dream of finding the right message probably just keeps a lot of consultants in business.

HariSeldon

(540 posts)
19. I agree with so much you've said
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 02:06 PM
Nov 2022

Massive right-wing media platform...check.

MSM hostile to Democratic economic perspective...check.

But it's not a strong argument for the controlling party to point-and-blame. It seems to me that approach was tried and didn't catch on, probably because it made the Democratic Party look ineffective. Moreover, the inflation keeps American products and services competitive on the international market right now, so it is not entirely negative.

I think the Republican Party runs on fear and the Democratic Party runs on hope. Yes, there was media denigration of "hopium" in this election cycle, though that should have applied more to Republicans than Democrats. I think the base could have been even more motivated with more hope that electing Democrats would be the ticket to inflation mitigation actions, rather than inflation-fighting measures that tend to hurt the poorest Americans much more than the wealthy.

BumRushDaShow

(167,169 posts)
18. ...
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 01:39 PM
Nov 2022


ETA -




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9:35 AM · Nov 8, 2022


HariSeldon

(540 posts)
20. Agreed, Democrats are more fiscally responsible
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 02:16 PM
Nov 2022

I'm taking about a messaging failure around inflation. Republicans used it to stage a false political dilemma: ignore inflation or hurt the job market. Democrats should have rejected this dilemma and said: "We won't put American workers out of jobs to fight inflation. Instead, we will find ways to help Americans in poverty or becoming impoverished by this level of inflation until the world economy allows getting inflation under better control."

Instead, Democrats took half-measures, raising the Federal Reserve overnight rate, which is hurting the job market, bending our economy toward if not into a recession. It feels to me like our political leaders walked into a trap.

BumRushDaShow

(167,169 posts)
22. You have made an assumption
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 02:53 PM
Nov 2022

that the current economic situation is "permanent" and "unchanging", when instead, structural changes have actually been made outside of the Federal Reserve, that will actually start solving the problem at the foundation.

The talking point of "inflation" that when you look at the fundamentals of everything else going on around it, and trying to nonsensically distill this down to some kind of simplistic "messaging", is idiotic. What you just posted is essentially a regurgitation of RW talking points.

I have posted this over and over on DU (I suppose you haven't seen it) -

Federal Funds Rate - 62 Year Historical Chart

Shows the daily level of the federal funds rate back to 1954. The fed funds rate is the interest rate at which depository institutions (banks and credit unions) lend reserve balances to other depository institutions overnight, on an uncollateralized basis. The Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) meets eight times a year to determine the federal funds target rate. The current federal funds rate as of July 27, 2022 is 1.58%.


https://www.macrotrends.net/2015/fed-funds-rate-historical-chart




This is NOT your 1970s/1980s economic environment. After years of near 0% interest rates after the 2007/2008 stock market crash, the rates were back on the rise in 2018 and into 2019 just ahead of the pandemic (as seen in the above graph) and BOOM. Back down again.

"0%" is NOT NORMAL.

The UE is the lowest in decades -



and the number of jobs created is historic and has beat out previous Presidents -




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8:47 AM · Nov 12, 2022




The value of the dollar doesn't fit "The Narrative®" either as our currency has rapidly become a safe haven as a global currency as compared to others -





and establishes how much the pandemic (and how the world responded to it) has everything upside down.

HariSeldon

(540 posts)
25. I am thrilled the outcome wasn't more dire
Sat Nov 12, 2022, 05:06 PM
Nov 2022

I held my tongue during the campaign because I didn't want even any possible appearance of "bashing" Democrats running for office; they are doing a job I can't, and I appreciate that. But the votes have been cast and I think we should analyze the outcome before time erases our memories. And I do intend this as analysis -- constructive criticism -- not "bashing," trying to provide my perspective and possible ways to implement solutions to existing problems.

What Democrats accomplished has prevented or reduced several kinds of misery Republicans can inflict in 2023 and 2024. If the Republican Party takes control of the House, they can still wreck the credit of our nation and shut the federal government down. While I do cheer a likely additional Democratic Senate seat, do you ask I heartily cheer for the limited losses in the House? With the unmitigated crazy that is today's Republican Party, I think we set the bar unconscionably low if we are supposed to celebrate limited losses. For me, this is at most a half-win.

Demsrule86

(71,519 posts)
26. I take it you are not a student of history. Joe Biden and the Democrats did something this
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 12:21 PM
Nov 2022

cycle that has only been done twice in history...1932 (depression) and 2002 (Afghanistan war). It was an amazing win for us and in no way a 'limited loss'. As for setting the bar too 'low'. I say we won the midterm-no qualifications or handwringing for me.

Demsrule86

(71,519 posts)
27. Just to make myself perfectly clear...this was not a dire outcome and exit polls show
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 12:24 PM
Nov 2022

abortion and saving the democracy were the two most important voting issues...not inflation. The Republicans ran on inflation and crime. They lost.

mcar

(45,813 posts)
28. Why in the world would anyone on Democratic Underground
Sun Nov 13, 2022, 12:24 PM
Nov 2022

be criticizing Democrats, especially after our great election successes?

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
29. It really makes one wonder, doesn't it? Clinging so very hard to words like "dire" ...
Mon Nov 14, 2022, 03:30 AM
Nov 2022

…and “messaging failure.” Seriously?

Why keep hanging on to the “inflation is all there is” mantra? Especially since it is clear that we could all see that democracy itself is in danger — including the personal civil rights of 51% of the population, and the voting rights of absolutely everyone — and that somehow we could all see that inflation was not going to be cured by throwing away our republic.

mcar

(45,813 posts)
31. Regardless of the situation, some on social media
Mon Nov 14, 2022, 09:01 AM
Nov 2022

were fully prepped to slam Democrats for "messaging failure."

betsuni

(28,891 posts)
30. No more DEMOCRATS IGNORE THE WORKING CLASS AND HAVE NO ECONOMIC MESSAGE crap.
Mon Nov 14, 2022, 03:39 AM
Nov 2022

Nobody wants that old anti-Democratic populist revolution nonsense.

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