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[AZSkiffyGeek]

1. So we should have ignored the issue that drove people to vote D this time?

Okay…

[LeftInTX]

2. That's how Henry Cuellar won

[Trenzalore]

3. We held our ground this time on Abortion and threats to the LGBT community

Also those people are becoming less and less you mention. We don't need their vote.

[Amishman]

11. They aren't going away, by some measures trans acceptance is actually falling

Pew polls on if gender is dictated at birth. This year 60% said yes, in 2017 it was 54%.

Social conservatism isn't drying off overall. Remember the 'demographic inevitability' arguments that the pubs were doomed as their base aged? I remember people talking about it 20 years ago, and the Pubs are certainly not withering away today.

[Trenzalore]

15. They are dying off

The percent of people going to church goes down every year.
Gen Z cancelled out those over 65 this year, in 2024 there will be less of those over 65 and more of Gen Z voting

Doug Maestriono tried to shop around a picture of Josh Shapiro hosting Drag Queen Bingo, he lost by 750,000 votes.

Also, there is it is the right fucking thing to do.

[Amishman]

4. been saying this for years

Voters are stupid, selfish, and short sighted. Just look at the Pubs actually winning a majority of the House votes this cycle.

Push workers, jobs, and wages.

Social issues are tricky. I will admit there are some specific topics that I tread carefully about fully voicing my opinions on DU, where we honestly go a little further than I'm exactly comfortable.

[Elessar Zappa]

5. The economic message

should be alongside our social values. I definitely don’t agree that abortion and lgbt rights are “secondary issues”. As far as the theoretical guy who hates trans people but like our economic message, it’s up to him to vote his best interests instead of his hate. Democrats can’t cater to bigotry.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

6. Going populist would be the worst thing our party could do.

We can--and should--address the real economic needs of the American people, but that's best done by following the example of our very fine president and askewing populism, rage, and divisionary rabble-rousing, and instead focus on getting things done.

That's what makes someone a progressive. Accomplishing things.

Populism is toxic in every form.

ETA: And abandoning those who need social justice extended to them is not something I support one iota.

[Girard442]

7. We need to sell our good policies, not make our good policies less good to sell them.

...and if you think that abortion rights is a secondary issue, read up on how countries with hard-core antiabortion policies turn into brutal authoritarian shitholes where people die for no good reason.

[H2O Man]

8. One size doesn't fit all.

[Marcus IM]

10. Aren't said social issues what brought peeps out to vote Dem?

Maybe the Dems should include the econ issues, but not to the exclusion of social protection/progress. Imo.

[Hekate]

12. My civil rights and the democracy of our republic are not a secondary concern, thank you so much

[In It to Win It]

13. I don't disagree but it's hard to do that when you have to spend political capital on the

social things they keep putting at risk.

It's hard to stay out on the social stuff because we can't leave it unanswered. We can't let others paint the picture what we stand for, and that's the challenge to me.

For example, it's hard to keep the conversation solely on more funding and resources for schools when they tag us with fake bullshit like "critical race theory" that we have to now spend time defending ourselves on that and responding to because people are whipped up and worried.

It gets difficult to stay on message when you have to constantly fight their barrage of social bullshit.

[Effete Snob]

14. Keeping women, African Americans and non-heteros in the back of the bus?

MMMMMMMmmmmmmm.... how about "no".

[Behind the Aegis]

16. Human dignity and rights are NEVER fucking "secondary".

If they are, then no, you are not likely a liberal, much less a leftist.