Virginia Social Studies horror

[arlyellowdog]

Youngkin’s Education Department just wrote the new standards. (Native Americans are now referred to as “First Immigrants). There are many other horrors. Poisoning the minds of young people. Here is well written advocacy points: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18nhbUK02CrrJFd6k2G_IPYVqbAynljjb4viXVL5HvK8/mobilebasic Here is the press release: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZkZJ13NuOPvnRY7J9iQkDe2m4r2TsYKQSXOOx4YjerQ/mobilebasic

[Easterncedar]

1. First immigrants?!

I can’t imagine what a conscientious teacher must feel about that.

[sop]

4. In their minds teaching kids that prehistoric humans who crossed the Bering Land Bridge from Asia

are the "first immigrants" somehow makes the history of Native American genocide and the theft of an entire continent by European settlers thousands of years later a little less uncomfortable.

[arlyellowdog]

6. Horrible because it's an SOL standard, they are required by law to teach it.

[Ray Bruns]

44. It's in Youngkin's latest edition of Newspeak.

You must conform. Remember, big brother is watching.

[maxrandb]

2. This is NOT surprising

I think Dems felt Virginia was a safe blue state, but I spend my winters here. There are a shit-ton of ignorant, racist MAGAt Dipshits in this state.

You could still smell the tear gas, smoke and blood of January 6, 2021 from across the Potomac when Virginia MAGAt Dipshits swept all statewide races in Nov 2021.

Dems in Virginia better get their shit together. It's hard to find a state more crucial to keeping America sane than Virginia.

[Best_man23]

5. VA Democrats need to start lining up good candidates for Gov, LtGov and AG now

Elaine Luria should be one of those considered since she lost her reelection race for VA-2 due to her seat being redistricted in favor of Republicants.

Fortunately, Virginia does not permit its governors to run for second terms without a break, so Trumpkin will be looking to run for another office. He has zero chance of beating either DeathSentence or TFG in a MAGAt primary.

I do think either Trumpkin or Miyares (Virginia AG) will try to run against Senator Tim Kaine in 2024.

[arlyellowdog]

7. Youngkin won suburban women on an education issue:

Schools (rightfully) closed during the pandemic and there was no childcare and kids didn’t get the same level of instruction. However, these same suburban woman do not hold these crazy beliefs. The Democrats have to get the message out.

[atreides1]

10. Not really

I watched interviews with some of those suburban parents...some of them were upset that they had to make changes...especially the stay at home parents...they made it sound as if they were being imposed upon!

And it wasn't education as much as it was the teaching of actual history...by calling it Critical Race Theory...Youngkin showed us that many whites were afraid of their children learning what really happened and how certain communities are still suffering...because you can't have little Snowflake children learning that they've been lied to!

I have to wonder how many of those suburban parents actively took an interest in the instruction that the kids were getting...and I disagree with you...some of those suburban women probably do hold some of those crazy beliefs.

But I do agree that the Democrats have to get out a better message...some will be willing to listen but others will revel in their ignorance, because it's easier then admitting they were wrong...that's just human nature!

[arlyellowdog]

16. Believe me I'm not justifying those voters. Just saying the Republicans made that the issue.

But it wasn’t “critical race theory,” it was childcare and kids at home for a year being annoying. (Totally necessary.. it was a pandemic the Democrats didn’t start).

[maxrandb]

19. Thank you!

I don't know how many stories I saw of "parents" at school board meetings reading passages from library book depictions of sexual activity and screaming that "Little Johnny" was learning about anal sex in 1ST Grade.

Of course, it was all bullshit, but when "suburban Karen or Craig" gets up and reads; "Jason's penis glistened in the sun" from a library book at the local school board meeting, there needs to be better pushback than "that's a cherry-picked example from a book only loaned to 16+ year old High School students".

I watched the same shit happen in the spring and summer in Virginia that happened in the spring and summer after the ACA passed.

The Retrumplicans in Virginia didn't give one Fuck about education, they T-Baggered it.

[aggiesal]

28. It's not surprising because Youngkin needs to scare ...

the voters that voted for him because of fake Critical Race Theory argument, then had the CRT tip line quietly disconnected with little to no CRT tips.
So let's create the Native American to First Immigrant name change BS.

[treestar]

31. The link shows that it is merely 'proposed'

by someone on the school board. Not much of a chance they would actually become the standards in VA.

[arlyellowdog]

49. No it's the DoE

[arlyellowdog]

3. Mention of Dr. Martin Luther King removed

Those are obvious, but it’s the philosophy (developed by Hillsdale College) that is the real horror.

[Amishman]

8. I have no problem with 'first immigrants', its entirely accurate

in a way we are all immigrants or the children of immigrants, and I see this as it undermines nativism if there are no true natives.

That being said, skimming the information I so see plenty of things that are NOT ok. Effectively deleting MLK from K-5 curriculum is particularly absurd.

[arlyellowdog]

14. Having no problem is exactly what they want

Sounds innocent right? So they are not Native Americans? Teachers no longer can refer to Native Americans Ancient people did not come from another country. It’s just justify what we did.

[FSogol]

15. So, a group that's been here 15,000 years are immigrants?

[Amishman]

17. given that they came from another area within identifiable history, technically yes

makes more sense than setting an arbitrary number of years.

Plus as I said, in my mind this is useful for undermining anti-immigrant rhetoric if there are no 'natives'

[arlyellowdog]

20. So you agree they are not Native Americans

That’s the instruction. Not Native Americans.

[treestar]

36. That term is not fair either

We were born here, but they are the "Native" Americans? Maybe "indigenous" is a better word. We are not native to anywhere? That means where you are born. And by now nobody is pure blooded anything, so nobody is without "immigrant" blood.

This proposal is stupid right wing blathering, however, and likely never goes into effect.

[Act_of_Reparation]

38. Immigration is a term loaded with extremely modern connotations.

Typically, the term is used to describe the process by which an individual comes to reside in a foreign country. There were no countries 15,000 years ago.

The ancestors of the Americas' indigenous peoples crossing the Bering land bridge would more appropriately be called "migration".

[treestar]

33. how many years is required?

People who came over the Bering Strait at a later time than the very first ones would have been immigrating. This went on over thousands of years, so somebody came to a land already populated, even from there.

Everyone is an immigrant from the cradle of civilization in the middle east. Maybe we can all get along on that concept.

[intheflow]

43. Cradle of civilization is in the Middle East?

I think you mean Africa, as that's where human beings originated.

[treestar]

45. Yeah, maybe if we all went back to where we came from

everyone would be in Africa. Right wingers never do think things through.

[Coventina]

51. Our species evolved in Africa. Civilization began in the Middle East and China. n/t

[TheProle]

56. Not the same thing:

Scholars generally acknowledge six cradles of civilization. Mesopotamia, Ancient Egypt, Ancient India, and Ancient China are believed to be the earliest in the Old World.[1][2][3] Cradles of civilization in the New World are the Caral-Supe civilization of coastal Peru and the Olmec civilization of Mexico. All of the cradles of civilization depended upon agriculture for subsistence (except possibly Caral-Supe which may have depended initially on marine resources). All depended upon farmers producing an agricultural surplus to support the centralized government, political leaders, priests, and public works of the urban centers of the civilization.

[intheflow]

58. Right. And the last time I looked at a map,

Egypt is in Africa - a continent, apart from the Middle East.

[TheProle]

59. I guess you told me.

Of course, that has nothing to do with the origin of species, which is what your comment suggested.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

18. Immigration involves countries and citizenships; people who got here before both are not immigrants.

[mopinko]

32. 1st nations is the correct appellation, i believe.

the original homosapien settlers.
your point is well taken.

[Hekate]

54. In Canada, at least. I remember when their government made the decision, & it felt right

[TheProle]

55. Exactly. It presumes the bureaucracy that would make such a differentiation.

Saying that Native Peoples migrated to what is now North America is not the same as saying they immigrated.

[Bourgeois Liberal]

21. Um, There's A Subtext Here...

...namely that immigrants are by definition "bad". You're not supposed to like immigrants if you're a "good" (native born white Christian) American.

[aggiesal]

35. Correct, ''good'' native born white Christians ...

don't consider themselves as immigrants, first, last or anywhere in between.
And why shouldn't they be considered the Native Americans since they were the "first" ones here after being referred as America.

Besides Jesus spoke English.

[treestar]

46. right winger logic

always fails.

They hear and argument and then come up with an answer that they think is clever, but it just does not work if thought through.

There is a meme showing American Indians with the sentiment that if you don't like immigrants, they don't either.

So they are "solving" that meme with making the American Indians into immigrants, too.

Yet how does that help their position that they want immigration to stop at a certain point - always after they "got theirs" by being already born in America? They forgot what their own point was on this one.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

27. Something can be technically accurate but horribly misguided, which makes it wrong. This is one. .nt

[obamanut2012]

57. So, you would be okay with slaves called "transported immigrants"

Yup, that follows your logic.

[Demsrule86]

60. Untrue...they have found human remains...the oldest found anywhere.

[raging moderate]

9. Maybe this lie could be turned on its head somehow.

Maybe the way we Dems have turned "Dark Brandon" on its head. Maybe mention with it the questions about who were the First Immigrants to Great Britain and Ireland and Scandinavia? And similarities between the First Immigrations to Great Britain, Ireland, the American continents, and Scandinavia? And how there is evidence that all these First Immigrations occurred at about the same time, many thousands of years ago? And how the root meaning of this phrase expresses the same inviolable claim to the land in every case.

[Staph]

11. And you can really drive them to sputtering madness,

if you conclude that theory with the statement that we all immigrated from Africa. That we are all Africans!

[raging moderate]

12. Yes!

And bring up the evidence that all of us had dark skin, black hair, and brown eyes even 10 thousand years ago. And the first blue eyes seem to have appeared about 9 thousand years ago. And the first pale skins seem to have appeared about 8 thousand years ago. Or thereabouts - I think those were the estimates from the DNA tests of ancient human remains.

[Samrob]

13. This!

[arlyellowdog]

22. No no no Native Americans are Native Americans...god!

[treestar]

23. "Indoctrination?"

People can be told anything; the idea is they can think and don't just parrot what they learned as always correct.

[arlyellowdog]

25. Truth is truth, Native Americans are Indigenous People

We took their land. Not up for debate.

[treestar]

29. but you sound like a right winger

saying the universities "indoctrinate" people to be liberal, with students are having their "minds poisoned," which is to "indoctrinate."

Using the terms of "stealing" "their land" is indoctrination, too. Many immigrants to America fled economic or religious persecution. They "stole" land in that process? You're willing to poison people's minds (indoctrinate) them with that.

There are many parts of earth where people have moved from and to in history. No where else are people accused of "stealing land," especially where the previous occupants had no land titles and no borders.

"First immigrants" is a new one, but only expresses the move over the Bering Straits, though some may have made that move later than others, thus "stealing" land from those who had settled earlier. So who were the first immigrants, and who is truly "indigenous?" That concept is only a convenient way to talk about history, but ultimately impossible to really establish, like "race."

[arlyellowdog]

48. Arrogance! You support right wing propaganda and call me right wing

The hell with you Native American land

[Rebl2]

30. Exactly

[Fla Dem]

24. I hope the Native American community in all of America join together and sue the

bejesus out of Youngkin and his Education Department.

[IronLionZion]

26. Where are they going to send Native Americans back to?

[Ray Bruns]

34. That's "First Immigrants". Have you not read the latest edition of Newspeak?

[IronLionZion]

37. Are they going to send "First Immigrants" back across the land bridge to Russia/Asia?

to make room for the "second immigrants"

[Ray Bruns]

40. That's better. Don't let me have to inform big brother

of your crimethink

[IronLionZion]

41. Virginia is a strange and dangerous place

I'm right across the river in DC. Maybe the Potomac can keep out the riffraff.

[CrispyQ]

39. "If you think education is expensive, try ignorance." -bumper sticker

Republicans have been focused on filling positions on boards of education across the country since the 80s. We are finding out just how true that bumper sticker statement is.

"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing." ~Karl Rove

[arlyellowdog]

50. It's amazing that only right wing extremists and some DU commenters were upset

To disrespect to American Indians: the proper term

[budkin]

52. BUT CRT!!!

YOUNGKIN STOPPED IT!!!

[Hekate]

53. Remember when Trump said, "I love low-information voters"? This is how you get them.

Nauseating.