Looks like Manchin and Sinema are joining the economic terrorists to hold debt ceiling hostage

[Fiendish Thingy]

And kill SS and Medicare:

https://digbysblog.net/2022/11/16/crazytown/

I can hardly believe this. I guess Joe Manchin really has decided that he wants to work with Republicans to cut social security and Medicare — and god knows what else. Sinema and some others as well. So this is where we are:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/16/lame-duck-debt-ceiling-deal-00067123

The White House has largely given up hope of Congress raising the nation’s debt limit during the lame-duck session that runs through late December, increasing the risk of a highly partisan, market-rattling fiscal confrontation next year.

Senior administration officials see little chance of attracting any Republican votes for a bipartisan debt limit hike during the short session. And they don’t believe they have the 50 Democratic Senate votes needed to slam through a hike using the budget reconciliation process that would allow them to avoid a Republican filibuster.


Already, Manchin has expressed reluctance to act on the debt limit with only Democratic votes, though he’s declined to rule it out completely.

“I don’t think it should go to reconciliation,” he said Tuesday. “My goodness, it’s something we’ve always worked together on.”


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P.S. Joe Manchin is a fine American statesman (because that’s all his fan club will allow me to say)

[CincyDem]

1. Make. Them. Vote. n/t

[Freethinker65]

2. *1000

This is the most important thing that deserves attention during this lame duck session.

Pay your damn bills and don't tie it to cuts in much needed social programs that Americans that voted for you depend on.

No cuts to Medicare and Social Security to pay for pet projects. Raise the cap (Manchin was not opposed to raising the cap, as long as he gets his fossil fuel kickbacks and keeps his tax cuts for the wealthiest).
Same shit.

[FalloutShelter]

4. This... get them on the record.

They don’t have the votes to override a Biden Veto.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

3. I prefer Manchin and Sinema over dealing with Moscow Mitch and Cancun Cruz.

[Fiendish Thingy]

5. Do you prefer cuts to SS and Medicare?

Because that’s what this is about, Manchin and Sinema supporting using the debt ceiling as leverage to force cuts to SS and Medicare.

Unless Biden says “go ahead, make my day”.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

7. Do you prefer a GOP Senate to go with a GOP House?

Let's deal with what is, and dream of improving the situation when we can.

[Fiendish Thingy]

8. It could be dealt with now, lame duck, but the Quislings are pushing to the next term. Nt

[Bev54]

6. If Manchin wants republican votes then he best go get some, if he can't

then pass without them. This is just his last hurrah!

[Irish_Dem]

9. I wonder if they are on retainer, or get paid per stunt?

[gab13by13]

10. The Democratic leadership

should tell Manchin and Sinema, if the new Magat House shuts down the government Democrats are prepared to stand firm for Social Security and Medicare even if the shutdown causes a global economic disaster. Let them choose now and publicize their choice.

[Fiendish Thingy]

11. Yup

[FoxNewsSucks]

12. Agreed.

Fuck them. Let them face the consequences of their actions.

The only problem is the corporate media probably wouldn't tell the truth. Since the real problem is that billionaires and corporations don't want to pay the taxes necessary to repay the borrowed SS money (which paid for their fucking tax cuts), their media will take their side.