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when it is they that are politicizing this whole thing by calling the Dems on doing the politicization?
NewHendoLib
(60,036 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)It's all they've got, NHL.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,116 posts)Pantagruel
(2,580 posts)free speech?
GreenWave
(6,825 posts)onecaliberal
(32,996 posts)tableturner
(1,686 posts)That's the way it usually works. The GOP usually wins the argument with their BS, phony positions that are supported by NO FACTS, thanks to their total message discipline and their almost endless repetition of lies. Our side usually loses the argument even when the GOP argument would be easily destroyed with a disciplined, endlessly repetitive exposition of the facts.
But we don't do that. We "refuse to dignify" their spurious arguments, and "refuse to lower ourselves" to their level, and/or assume that "the American people will see through their nonsense" (perfect example: Obamacare "death panels"...it took YEARS for the majority to see that "death panels" were total BS). However, the cacophonous, endless barrage of the Republican lies almost always wins.
We have the facts on our side, but we refuse to play hardball like the Republicans, resulting in our barely winning elections that should be won by large margins, or barely losing elections that we should have won by a small margin, or badly losing elections that should have been close. If the facts had prevailed in the minds of the majority of voters in this last election, it would have been a landslide in our favor. They were completely wrong; we were completely right; but they did a LOT better than they should have done thanks to their furious message discipline and our milquetoast responses.
Edited to add: another example is that about half the country thinks we are against free speech even though we have NEVER shown those proclivities, while being against free speech is EXACTLY what THEY do with their book banning and thought control in schools.
global1
(25,296 posts)and as you say:
"refusing to dignify" their spurious arguments, and "refusing to lower ourselves" to their level, and/or assume that "the American people will see through their nonsense"
- are to me excuses that shouldn't take the place of the Dems using a disciplined, repetitive exposition of the facts.
Facts are facts and they should win over the lies and BS the Repugs put out every time - if only the Dems would take the time to use the facts to refute the Repug lies and conspiracies.
I can't figure out why the Dems aren't more poised and organized to take on the Repugs when the Repugs resort to their phony positions. They beat us most of the time when they use these antics.
Do the Dems just don't care? Are they lazy? Why aren't the Dems more organized to counteract this crap put out by the Repugs? The Repugs are so out their with many of their positions that it doesn't seem that hard to refute them.
I just don't get it.
In the run up to the Midterms - I saw all kinds of opportunities that the Dems could have used in their campaign ads; fielding questions from the MSM and just taking on the Repugs head first in their lies.
Can someone explain that to me?
tableturner
(1,686 posts)ancianita
(36,224 posts)My question is, why do you keep listening to Repubs and taking their aggressive stupidity seriously?
We don't "let Repugs get away with saying," even if we're okay with free speech. Why answer every stupid fact free loud lout? Why?
Anyway, to answer your question, once again, for the kids in the back...
Twitter is owned by a Republican.
Fox News is owned by a Republican.
CNN is owned by a Republican.
OANN is owned by a Republican.
Parler is owned by a Republican.
Newsmax is owned by a Republican.
Daily Wire is owned by a Republican.
MSM present 'news' as neutral when they're actually center right.
Democrats have a cockblocking Republican owned media problem. So they can yell "witch hunt" all over them, right?
Beware the neverending corporate FUD, bro. It's neverending. (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt)
That script politicized the DOJ under Trump for four years. It politicized the pandemic as a Democratic hoax. It politicized public health practices in a pandemic. It politicizes science, history, schools, women's bodies and rule of law.
As if two major impeachments, daily speeches by our president and cabinet heads, and hundreds of federal prosecutions are never enough.
We just can't stop them. Again, because it's not a "them." It's an "it." That doesn't mean we're "letting them." Because it's money as free speech. Okay?
Because Democrats can't control the anti-democracy corporate war that has groomed Repugs' to spout that corporate script.
So let's stop beating Democrats up here. Let's move on.
Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)Dems say plenty about all kinds of things. The messaging has never been the problem.
The problem is that the media rarely covers what they do say, and never mind giving Democrats a platform to speak about anything. Just look at how they fawn over everything an r has to say, while ignoring what Democrats are saying.
Have you already forgotten the empty podium while Hillary was speaking?
tableturner
(1,686 posts)Quit lying to yourself!
ancianita
(36,224 posts)Kaleva
(36,403 posts)tableturner
(1,686 posts)Beartracks
(12,835 posts)And the grade-school brain that is dominant in too many Republican voters lights up with glee.
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