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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBREAKING: STATEMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL JACK SMITH:
Following his appointment by Attorney General Merrick B. Garland today, Special Counsel Jack Smith made the following statement:
I intend to conduct the assigned investigations, and any prosecutions that may result from them, independently and in the best traditions of the Department of Justice. The pace of the investigations will not pause or flag under my watch. I will exercise independent judgement and will move the investigations forward expeditiously and thoroughly to whatever outcome the facts and the law dictate.
Link to tweet
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/statement-special-counsel-jack-smith
TheProle
(2,202 posts)tazkcmo
(7,303 posts). I hope he wants to leave his mark. Make a name for himself. Elevate his profile. I hope he succeeds.
ancianita
(36,146 posts)he applied for this job? I doubt it.
tazkcmo
(7,303 posts)I think he was probably one of several very qualified people that Garland had to choose from and he got this high profile assignment that an ambitious young lawyer could parlay into a very successful political career or one in law.
wnylib
(21,647 posts)in 1987. If he was 18 then, he is around 53 today.
Not a fresh law school grad. He graduated from Harvard Law in 1994. He's already made some good career accomplishments.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Smith_(lawyer)
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)In a glass jar on his desk.
tazkcmo
(7,303 posts)Me, too.
True Dough
(17,337 posts)Funtatlaguy
(10,889 posts)Traildogbob
(8,828 posts)What Tuckums said about manly men tanning their balls. Not sure paint counts.
MontanaMama
(23,344 posts)Just trying to get a bead on the scale of that drawing.
Kennah
(14,337 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,781 posts)LymphocyteLover
(5,657 posts)BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Maybe she could loan them to him on special occasions
spooky3
(34,484 posts)Young man is a relative term and was not meant to be disparaging.
wnylib
(21,647 posts)a mark for himself already in his career, which is what qualifies him for this position. Here are his background and achievements:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Smith_(lawyer)
catbyte
(34,472 posts)I don't think he needs to make a name for himself. Just sayin'
Emile
(22,992 posts)ancianita
(36,146 posts)everything else.
I mean, come ON. Have you even seen the workload of the DOJ, or seen its structure and personnel?
https://www.justice.gov
Offices:
Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR)
Executive Office for U.S. Attorneys (EOUSA)
Executive Office of the United States Trustee (EOUST)
Office of Attorney Recruitment and Management (OARM)
Office of the Chief Information Officer
In May 2014, the Department appointed Joseph Klimavicz as CIO.[45] Klimavicz succeeds Kevin Deeley, who served as acting CIO since November 2013 when the previous office holder, Luke McCormack, left to take the CIO post at the Department of Homeland Security.[45]
Office of Dispute Resolution
Office of the Federal Detention Trustee (OFDT)
Office of Immigration Litigation
Office of Information Policy
Office of Intelligence Policy and Review (OIPR)
Office of Intergovernmental and Public Liaison (merged with Office of Legislative Affairs on April 12, 2012)
Office of Justice Programs (OJP)
Bureau of Justice Assistance (BJA)
Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS)
National Institute of Justice (NIJ)
Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention (OJJDP)
Office for Victims of Crime (OVC)
Sex Offender Sentencing, Monitoring, Apprehending, Registering, and Tracking Office (SMART)
Office of the Police Corps and Law Enforcement Education
Office of Legal Counsel (OLC)
Office of Legal Policy (OLP)
Office of Legislative Affairs
Office of the Pardon Attorney
Office of Privacy and Civil Liberties (OPCL)
Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR)
Office of Public Affairs
Office on Sexual Violence and Crimes against Children
Office of Tribal Justice
Office on Violence Against Women (OVW)
Professional Responsibility Advisory Office (PRAO)
United States Attorneys Offices
United States Trustees Offices
Office of Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS)
Community Relations Service
Other offices and programs:
Foreign Claims Settlement Commission of the United States
INTERPOL, U.S. National Central Bureau
National Drug Intelligence Center (former)
Obscenity Prosecution Task Force (former)
United States Parole Commission
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Justice
Emile
(22,992 posts)the Mar-a-Loonie raid.
ancianita
(36,146 posts)isn't good enough for Rule of Law's enforcement.
There was a coup. Hundreds involved. Remember?
ShazzieB
(16,543 posts)Did you actually read ancianita's post that you replied to? Or even the subject line. In case you missed it, I recommend doing so.
LymphocyteLover
(5,657 posts)Trump shit
claudette
(3,605 posts)According to Garland
Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)until you get far enough into the investigation?
Why don't you write to Garland and ask him?
Silent3
(15,293 posts)Genki Hikari
(1,766 posts)A kidnapping victim? Bank-robbery victims? Someone whose business was destroyed by the mafia or the person whose neighborhood was decimated by drug cartels and gangs?
The people defrauded via the mail, or with bank fraud, or tax fraud? Or maybe those people who get ripped off by shady brokers and investment firms?
A lot of those people have been waiting even longer for their day in court than you've been "waiting," but what do they matter, eh?
mcar
(42,388 posts)ancianita
(36,146 posts)I think they're not used to the pace of the monumental scope of this once-in-history case.
It's okay. It's why we have this site. So we can get a handle on things and then go out and be explainers to the rest of folks around our net haunts.
It's all good.
mcar
(42,388 posts)I'm appreciating the explainers out there.
W_HAMILTON
(7,875 posts)...unnecessarily for a criminal that has committed obvious crimes. They are adding in an unnecessary layer to this entire ordeal and dragging the process out even further than it has already been dragged out. And for what? As we learned during the last special counsel (Mueller), it is ultimately up to the Attorney General to decide whether or not to indict anyway. So, what is being gained from this?
WA-03 Democrat
(3,056 posts)I will be for sure hard at work doing hard things that are complex. You already know that because we all watched it live already on TV. We saw it. Now the fun part LEGAL THEARTER! See the video translation is hard because there really is no fucking law anymore. Don't worry and be happy reassured nothing happens to rich people who try to over turn an election, or steal an classified docs, or runs a scan for children cancer charity. Grab'm by the pussy and I will let exactly that happen. I hope the next Repuke AG (hells bells aren't they all) gives me 2 weeks of paid vacation when I close up shop.
Thank you,
Jack Smith
ancianita
(36,146 posts)Might as well use your translation talent to decipher Merrick Garland, too.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/attorney-general-merrick-b-garland-delivers-remarks-appointment-special-counsel
The first, as described in court filings in the District of Columbia, is the investigation into whether any person or entity unlawfully interfered with the transfer of power following the 2020 presidential election or the certification of the Electoral College vote held on or about January 6, 2021.
The second is the ongoing investigation involving classified documents and other presidential records, as well as the possible obstruction of that investigation, referenced and described in court filings in a pending matter in the Southern District of Florida.
I am joined today by Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco, U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia Matthew Graves, and Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division Kenneth Polite. Assistant Attorney General for National Security Matthew Olsen could not be here. He is currently in Germany, representing the Department at the G7 home affairs and security ministerial.
U.S. Attorney Graves has been ably leading the investigations into the events leading up to and on January 6. He and dozens of assistant U.S. Attorneys and other prosecutors have taken on the monumental task of conducting over 900 prosecutions in defense of our democratic institutions.
Criminal Division prosecutors under the able leadership of Assistant Attorney General Polite have played a significant role in those prosecutions.
Assistant Attorney General Olsen has been ably leading the team responsible for investigating the matter involving classified documents and other presidential records, as well as the possible obstruction of that investigation.
All of the career prosecutors assigned to these matters are conducting their work in the best traditions of the Department of Justice.
I also want to recognize the efforts of the many FBI agents and other law enforcement personnel who are assigned to these matters. They are working courageously and steadfastly, and are serving our nation honorably. I am grateful to them. We all are.
The Department of Justice has long recognized that in certain extraordinary cases, it is in the public interest to appoint a special prosecutor to independently manage an investigation and prosecution.
Based on recent developments, including the former President's announcement that he is a candidate for President in the next election, and the sitting President's stated intention to be a candidate as well, I have concluded that it is in the public interest to appoint a Special Counsel.
Such an appointment underscores the Department's commitment to both independence and accountability in particularly sensitive matters. It also allows prosecutors and agents to continue their work expeditiously, and to make decisions indisputably guided only by the facts and the law.
The Special Counsel will conduct parts of the first investigation I just mentioned: the investigation into whether any person or entity unlawfully interfered with the transfer of power following the 2020 presidential election or with the certification of the Electoral College vote held on or about January 6.
This does not include prosecutions that are currently pending in the District of Columbia, or future investigations and prosecutions of individuals for offenses committed while they were physically present on the Capitol grounds on January 6. Those investigations and prosecutions will remain under the authority of the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia.
The Special Counsel will also conduct the investigation involving classified documents and other presidential records, as well as the possible obstruction of that investigation.
Today, I signed an order appointing Jack Smith to serve as Special Counsel. The order authorizes him to continue the ongoing investigations into both of the matters that I have just described and to prosecute any federal crimes that may arise from those investigations.
Mr. Smith is a veteran career prosecutor.
He began his prosecutorial career in 1994 as an Assistant District Attorney with the New York County DA's Office. In 1999, he became an Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of New York, where over the course of nine years he prosecuted matters ranging from gang murders of police officers to civil rights violations. From 2008 to 2010, he served with the International Criminal Court, where he supervised war crimes investigations.
In 2010, Mr. Smith returned to the Justice Department to serve as chief of the Public Integrity Section, where he led a team of more than 30 prosecutors who handled public corruption and election crimes cases across the United States. In 2015, he agreed to serve as the First Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of Tennessee, later becoming the Acting United States Attorney.
Most recently, Mr. Smith served as the chief prosecutor for the special court in the Hague charged with investigating and adjudicating war crimes in Kosovo. Mr. Smith will begin his work as Special Counsel immediately, and will be returning to the United States from The Hague.
Throughout his career, Jack Smith has built a reputation as an impartial and determined prosecutor, who leads teams with energy and focus to follow the facts wherever they lead.
As Special Counsel, he will exercise independent prosecutorial judgment to decide whether charges should be brought. Although the Special Counsel will not be subject to the day-to-day supervision of any official of the Department, he must comply with the regulations, procedures, and policies of the Department.
I will ensure that the Special Counsel receives the resources to conduct this work quickly and completely. Given the work done to date and Mr. Smith's prosecutorial experience, I am confident that this appointment will not slow the completion of these investigations.
The men and women who are pursuing these investigations are conducting themselves in accordance with the highest standards of professionalism. I could not be prouder of them.
I strongly believe that the normal processes of this Department can handle all investigations with integrity. And I also believe that appointing a Special Counsel at this time is the right thing to do. The extraordinary circumstances presented here demand it.
Mr. Smith is the right choice to complete these matters in an even-handed and urgent manner.
Thank you all.
Attorney General Merrick B. Garland
WA-03 Democrat
(3,056 posts)Look over there another squirrel.
TRUMP has a tee time tomorrow. Roger Stone walks free. Michael Flynn still open encourages sedition and violence against our government. Jared sells secrets and gets billions but Hunter Fucking Biden will be the focus.
There is no law and that is what we need to come to terms with. Only power. Trump, the Republicans and Putin destroyed it. It is dead and we need to adapt.
Oh and Happy Fitzmas #524 everybody!!!
oldtime dfl_er
(6,931 posts)and it worries me
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)The person pushing Merrick Garland for AG was/is Ivanka and Jared's ETHICS ATTORNEY and also has a checkered reputation as "Mistress of Disaster"
Jamie Gorelick. Garland's mentor. He was her chief deputy. Close friends, still.
Gorelick is considered responsible for the wall between intel and law enforcement that prohibited passing of terrorist information in 9/11. And she was involved in Fannie Mae.
It was Gorelick's characterization of Garland's prosecutions as "flawless." She buffed him up in a public relations blitz.
It is best to have all the facts and nuances out in the open. We're at grave risk of losing the republic because no one has stopped Trump and his co-conspirators.
The person investigating this most closely is Sarah Kendzior.
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druidity33
(6,448 posts)who has been out of the country for a while working on international human rights matters. Might give someone some perspective.
There's no sway of the US media when you've been working at the Hague for a year or two (how long has he been there?)...
betsuni
(25,675 posts)Easier to be objective. Makes it harder to turn it into a partisan thing too.
machoneman
(4,012 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,474 posts)WA-03 Democrat
(3,056 posts)You are right. Garland will never have a legacy because to have one it requires you actual do something. Disgrace is the correct term.
Joinfortmill
(14,474 posts)WA-03 Democrat
(3,056 posts)I would then get arrested and put in jail in under 1 month for years
I am a common person
I am not a royal rich powerful white guy
I thought the social contract was for all us - nope its just the little people
I thought we we working on equally justice
it is all pantomime and a waste of time
The Law as killed by Trump and this is now the "Weekend at Bernie's" phase
sop
(10,274 posts)Deuxcents
(16,353 posts)Its gotta be done right the first time.. no mistakes of any kind. We cannot have a slip n another president destroy our government. The Founding Fathers most likely never dreamed of someone like tfg. What an unbelievable responsibility
claudette
(3,605 posts)Too little too late.
ancianita
(36,146 posts)Too late for you, maybe.
The reality is that it's never too late.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,449 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 18, 2022, 10:33 PM - Edit history (1)
I love how the majority of DU members have already made up their minds that the fix is in and refuse to listen to reason.
And here I thought we were supposed to be the more educated ones.
Oh well, what can I say?
Keep up the good work, there are those of us that do appreciate it.
ancianita
(36,146 posts)One of the big frustrations of being educated is that we can't always know the scope and breadth of what the Department of Justice does.
We just have to accept that reality.
But. When it all goes down at indictment time, we should be open, take what we can get and give the DOJ our full support. It will get ugly in DC, and no doubt we'll be distracted by the political drama.
But we'll really have to stay calm and focused on how well the DOJ does.
Thank you for your kind words of support, MCE.
We'll survive. We have no choice but to fight this fight.
As Nancy Pelosi would say, "For the children."
druidity33
(6,448 posts)a bit lately too. There appear to be quite a few who will jump to conclusions and make assumptions and comments and quite frankly not even read the post you referenced much less a link contained in the post. The assumption is always that the person posting has an "agenda". Yeah, i absolutely wish that Trump was in irons and that the other prosecutions weren't taking this long... but i recognize i am not a lawyer or expert and the reasonable people i listen to say this is a reasonable amount of time for this gigantic undertaking to take. Also, strategy at these stakes is a very long game. Nonetheless, with this appointment, i am making the prediction that Trump will be indicted by June... but probably earlier.
:fingers crossed:
betsuni
(25,675 posts)Goodheart
(5,345 posts)LudwigPastorius
(9,190 posts)Smith Year's Eve?
Smithmorial Day?
Smithdependence Day?
Smithsgiving 2023?
Smithmas 2023?
Smith Year's Ev...
Joinfortmill
(14,474 posts)LudwigPastorius
(9,190 posts)...and I'm sure he would respond by having an extremely puzzled look on his face.
WA-03 Democrat
(3,056 posts)a pantomime of justice
Look at the shadows on the cave wall.
machoneman
(4,012 posts)the move benefits TFG:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/11/special-counsel-appointed-garland-trump.html
Shit, it will be delayed until AFTER the next Presidential Election and if any Republican wins that election, say bye-bye to any prosecution of Trump EVER!
Hell, I want the Vegas betting line now on Trump dying a free man long before even ANY Federal charges are filed. In fact, I wonder if Garland now hopes and prays that the Georgia investigation takes Trump down 1st, therefore making his new guy's S.C. work a waste.
A unbelievable turn of events, none good for the USA. A sad day indeed!
ancianita
(36,146 posts)Slate's proud of its "counterintuitive approach" to some 30+ topic areas, but they're no more informed about what's going on with the DOJ or this investigation than anyone else not actually THERE, and this clever-by-half analysis is fine for their usual audience.
Wrap it up in a bow and call it bullshit. Got it.
Samrob
(4,298 posts)(2) The Special Counsel looks like a Trumper to me. That is all.
ancianita
(36,146 posts)that all the current Garland team will be the prosecutorial face, that they already have the prosecution ready, and that Smith will oversee the prosecutorial process.
Garland will run the rest of the vastness that the DOJ actually is.
MontanaMama
(23,344 posts)Good thread ancianita. I know folks are impatient, worried and tired. I certainly am. Weve got to hang on a little longer because we are good democrats. Youre doing a great job of supporting and explaining why the sky isnt falling in this moment.
ecstatic
(32,737 posts)I guess we'll know soon enough.... At this point, anyone is better than Garland.
ancianita
(36,146 posts)Garland was a major federal judge. At this point the dude knows how to run a trial and how to run a prosecution.
Desiring to return to do more trial work, in 1989 Garland became an Assistant United States Attorney in the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia. As a line prosecutor, Garland represented the government in criminal cases ranging from drug trafficking to complex public corruption matters.
Garland supervised high-profile domestic-terrorism cases, including the Oklahoma City bombing, Ted Kaczynski (also known as the "Unabomber", and the Atlanta Olympics bombings.
He was involved in major decisions on the death penalty for McVeigh and Nichols. Garland won praise for his work on the case from the Republican Governor of Oklahoma, Frank Keating.
You could do with some reading.
JohnSJ
(92,433 posts)from a bicycle accident
"Mr. Smith will take on the role of special counsel after leaving his current position as a specialist prosecutor based in The Hague investigating war crimes. He will remain in the Netherlands for some time, according to the Justice Department, in order recover from a recent bicycle accident."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/18/us/politics/jack-smith-special-counsel-trump.html
ancianita
(36,146 posts)It only affects what to do with all the investigation and prosecutorial case that's gotten built so far.
This is a specious implication from the NYT. Another form of corporate media hype.
Joinfortmill
(14,474 posts)UTUSN
(70,755 posts)moondust
(20,014 posts)that Garland's pick for Special Counsel is a prosecutor at the Hague for war crimes allegedly committed in southeastern Europe (Kosovo) while at the same time an avalanche of alleged war crimes are being committed daily not far from there in eastern Europe (Ukraine) by an "ally" of the Special Counsel's new subject.
ancianita
(36,146 posts)I like the way you think about this.
The models of creeping fascism go far back there. And way back to the 30's and 40's here.
This "coincidental" European perspective seems helpful.
Also helpful to Garland is Smith's work in the Eastern District of New York.
The evidentiary work's been done. The case is built.
All it takes is the framing before the world. The world is watching how we prosecute our criminal leaders.
May we and our DOJ save the soul of this nation's rule of law. And may the world say "well done."
moondust
(20,014 posts)But if there is some connection between the MAGAt gang (TFG?, Flynn?, MTG?) and the Kremlin's alleged war crimes in Ukraine, who better to investigate and prosecute than an active war crimes prosecutor in Europe who may have relevant sources and leads there?
ancianita
(36,146 posts)NBachers
(17,149 posts)I think we got Big Shit comin down the road.
Kennah
(14,337 posts)ancianita
(36,146 posts)Weissman says Smith is reading the evidence binders right now.
Paul Butler says Smith's remaining in government service for 3 decades (when he could have gone into private big $$ firms) shows his justice commitment, and his sending a CIA officer to prison shows his prosecutorial power.
Harry Litman says Smith's been everywhere, going forward with prosecutions, and will do what he says in his statement.
When Weissman hears FL man call him and Lisa Monaco big trump haters, he explains that his, Monaco's and Smith's thick skins in committing their oaths to enforcement are FL man's greatest fear.
O'Donnell points out that there was no overall supervision of the sedition and Maralago cases, and now there is. Garland's leak proof DOJ, and its' bending-over-backwards total fairness in due process have served to arm Smith and the prosecutorial team against any legal criticisms.
Lisa Monaco has the 131 attorneys that she and Garland brought in on FL man's case over nine months ago, are ready to move with Smith on the DOJ suit.
Kennah
(14,337 posts)I'd think this is so important to the strengthening rule of law that he won't offer or accept any deal whatsoever, but prosecute to the fullest extent a jury would be expected to consider.
The Hague and world will be watching.
Kennah
(14,337 posts)OK, if they filmed that and broadcast it, I'd be fine with a plea deal.
ancianita
(36,146 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 19, 2022, 01:26 AM - Edit history (1)
I have fun imagining that but am compelled to fight the reality before us.
This could be democracy and rule of law on trial before the whole world. This isn't about plea dealing. Not this case.
Kennah
(14,337 posts)ancianita
(36,146 posts)It also won a conviction of former Representative Rick Renzi, Republican of Arizona, who was sentenced to three years in prison. (Mr. Trump pardoned Mr. Renzi among a flurry of clemency actions in January 2021, in his last hours as president.)
When Mr. Smith took over the public integrity section, it was reeling from the collapse of a criminal case against former Senator Ted Stevens, Republican of Alaska. In Mr. Smiths first few months on the job, the section closed several prominent investigations into members of Congress without charges.
But in an interview that year with The New York Times, Mr. Smith denied that the section on his watch had lost its nerve.
I understand why the question is asked, Mr. Smith said at the time. But if I were the sort of person who could be cowed I know we should bring this case, I know the person did it, but we could lose, and that will look bad I would find another line of work. I cant imagine how someone who does what I do or has worked with me could think that.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/18/us/politics/jack-smith-special-counsel-trump.html?action=click&pgtype=Article&module=&state=default®ion=footer&context=breakout_link_back_to_briefing
garybeck
(9,942 posts)ancianita
(36,146 posts)Last edited Wed Oct 18, 2023, 09:16 PM - Edit history (1)
Looks like he's got an aura from having been around bad guys who haven't taken human lives seriously.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,858 posts)Here's hoping it's even more interesting, with a happier ending, than the 1939 movie.