Justice delayed is Justice denied.

[boston bean]

If any other person brought home classified docs they would be charged within 6 months and in jail within a year.

I am conflicted about this SP.

I am also getting very impatient and angry about all these special considerations being made for political reasons.

If they have enough to charge. Charge. Damned be the outcome.

My gawd it cannot be this difficult.

[triron]

1. Garland is passing the buck.

More concessions to Trump. Chicken.

[calimary]

2. Right there with ya, boston bean.

Every time I hear some pundit say “if it was some non-famous person, this would be a no-brainer”, I want to spit!

So the message is: the (fill in the offense here) rules don’t apply to the donald. In effect, he actually IS above the law.

[gab13by13]

3. Be careful how you post.😊

14 months until the N.H. primary, is that enough time to indict Trump now?

[boston bean]

5. They spent 18 months trying to negotiate a return because he is "Donald trump".

They already treated him different than any other person.

I am so sick of this coddling. Fear. Just fucking charge this orange monster.

[DemocraticPatriot]

63. I would not mind so much, if they felt they could not move to charge him,

until just after he has secured the 2024 Republican presidential nomination....


But this is thought of political advantage on my part, and not about "justice".

I agree, they have enough to charge him RIGHT NOW, on the possession of presidential documents alone...

[kentuck]

72. I don't think they will indict so long as he is a presidential candidate.

And, being prosecuted by his political opponent's AG?

Perhaps that should no matter?

[Pantagruel]

4. Consider

"any other person brought home classified docs they would be charged within 6 months and in jail within a year."

Your AOP didn't get 75 million votes in 2020 and have maniacal supporters making up a substantial portion of any jury pool. Put him in front of a jury only when the case UNDENIABLE by any observer, especially the biased. An airtight case takes time, get it RIGHT.

[boston bean]

7. Doesn't matter. Air tight means shit. If you are worried about his cultists. Air tight means shit to

them.

[ShazzieB]

58. Who cares about his cultists?

What I'm concerned about is jurors, and an air tight case can go a long way when it comes to convincing a jury and actually getting a conviction (or several).

[PortTack]

8. ☝️☝️☝️☝️

[gulliver]

14. +1

[onecaliberal]

25. Ask reality winner.

[Emile]

6. Garland is blowing smoke out his ass, because

he blew two years and now he is passing the ball to someone else.

[Goodheart]

11. I think so, too. He should have already been indicted.

I'm beginning to doubt he's ever been seriously investigated.

[tritsofme]

9. Damned be the outcome? DOJ should rush ahead because some people on the internet are having a sad?

[gab13by13]

13. Nobody asked DOJ to rush,

There is plenty of evidence that DOJ did little to investigate the Big Fish for 1 year after 1/6. DOJ let the National Archives take the lead in the stolen documents. DOJ did nothing about the fake electors until after a criminal referral from the Michigan SOS.

Remember how the pyramid strategy was supposed to be the answer? One year lost only investigating unwashed Magats.

[JohnSJ]

21. +++. You were right when you called it a year ago

[Scrivener7]

18. That "rush ahead" train has left the station.

[Orrex]

60. You know that's a red herring, right? Please tell me that you know that's a red herring.

Absolutely no one in the universe thinks the DoJ should rush ahead because some people on the internet are having a sad. That is a false characterization put forth by cheerleaders who absolutely cannot bear to allow anyone to criticize Garland or the DoJ, no matter how glacial the pace of their proceedings against a repeatedly self-identified criminal.

I invite you to show me any person at all who has called for the DoJ to rush ahead because the person has a sad. Absent that, could you at least admit that it's a bullshit misrepresentation?

In other words, every time you or someone like you howls about "people having a sad," you're simply trying to distract from the issue at hand, namely that Trump walks free despite his crimes while countless lesser criminals are arrested for much lesser crimes.

[Kid Berwyn]

10. Were it up to me...

…Justice would be administered Red Army fast like a deserter from the front lines at Stalingrad.

Unfortunately, Trump’s criminality is so vast and varied it impacts President Biden and what he is working to do in terms of uniting the country.

Special Counsel led by a master blaster might be able to deliver the knockout blow needed to rid the body politick of the Putin’s favorite lunatic.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

12. Two sets of laws, one for the uber wealthy/powerful and the other for little people

We are the little people and TFG is not


I am still waiting for Dirty Dick Nixon to get his !!

[JohnSJ]

20. Actually Nixon did get his. He resigned in disgrace. Ford pardoned him because he wrongly thought

it would be bad for the country to go through that. That was an error in judgment, and set up where we are now

[Goodheart]

27. That's a damn good point.

We suffered trump's crimes because Nixon wasn't duly punished. And we're going to suffer WORSE crimes ahead if trump is not brought to justice.

[FoxNewsSucks]

44. We suffered Raygun, Bush and Bush/Cheney crimes as well.

Every subsequent republicon got worse and more brazen.

There must be accountability.

[PufPuf23]

64. That narrative has become about Trump but what about those that

enabled and benefited from Trump's actions?

What about the 147 members of the House that went along with the attempt to steal the election?

I am not going to hold my breathe but prefer to think more about the wonders of cats at the moment.

[MOMFUDSKI]

29. Thanks for that.

I am right there with ya, Wildman. There is nothing new under the sun, but this IN-YOUR-FACE-PEONS is nauseating.

[gay texan]

15. When your dealing with someone like Trump, yes it is this difficult

This has to be precise and exacting. If we screw this up, the consequences will last beyond a generation. We cant half ass this....

I want to see Trumps ass nailed to a wall as well as you do. I feel your pain when it comes to impatience. The one thing you have to remember is that TFG is a master bullshit artist: he can turn ANYTHING into a pity party.

This has to be done right.

If we are about to go down this road, i want every single damn I dotted, every single damn T crossed

[JohnSJ]

17. It already has been screwed up. The fact that a SC wasn't appointed a year ago is evidence of that

[Goodheart]

26. Seems to me that we were getting these exact same warnings a year ago.

Be patient! This has to be done right! The case needs to be airtight!

Sorry, but I'm seeing an AG who's not earning his pay.

[Iwasthere]

61. He sure is, a BS artist

And you are going to see his relentless Bullshit now. His hammer wielding followers are not only going to feel renewed, they are going to grow in numbers. We very nearly cut off the Orangemadman, now hes emboldened.

[JohnSJ]

16. 2years, and now someone has the bright idea, why not appoint a SC, so there is No appearance of

a conflict of interest, as though there won’t be accusations of conflict of interest with the choice of special prosecutor

How naive are we?

Just the fact that if there was a concern of conflict of interest, why wasn’t this done a year ago?

It is either incompetence, or they really don’t want to prosecute a former president

I am convinced trump will not be prosecuted, and hypothetically if he was a year from now, you will see a lot of people think it isn’t so important anymore

[Scrivener7]

19. Yep.

[Goodheart]

23. Silly me to think that there's been plenty enough time to have already included these investigations

WTF has Garland been doing all these months? Seems to me the Mar a Lago documents case hardly needs investigation at all: HE HAD THE DOCUMENTS. And obstruction of justice? Might as well throw those statutes out the window if these obvious cases of obstruction are not prosecuted. But they're there for the little people, I guess.

[Justice matters.]

46. And 10 x OOJ cases in weasel Mueller million-dollars report in the recycle bin.

Hair Furhair is still FREE and running for another crime spree and 30,000 lies.

Imagine another pandemic... 300 million dead or tortured by putler's butchers.

[walkingman]

24. I think you are correct. To me it is obvious they (DOJ) are trying any way possible

to find a reason to justify not doing anything. It doesn't surprise me at all. It does piss me off.

[barbtries]

22. me too.

i'm basically beside myself.

[revmclaren]

28. Bookmarking for later.

[Cha]

62. lol

[sop]

30. Garland was appointed Attorney General precisely to make such difficult decisions about Trump

and others, not hand it off to Jack Smith because he's worried it may look political. Do your job, Merrick. It's not that hard.

[Blues Heron]

31. this needs to be handled by the AG not some unknown dude from NY

Jack Smith? who? He is going to be the one that brings down an ex president for the first time ever, not the AG? what? Joe random from the Hague? this is nutz.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

33. Chief War Crimes Prosecutors are not phased by orange anuses. Get real. Your lack of knowledge

Your lack of knowledge about a person does not turn them into a Joe Random.

I don't think you are a serious person.

[Blues Heron]

34. He is joe random to 99 percent of Americans

unlike the AG. Get real yourself.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

35. Who gives a damn if 99 pc of Americans don't know him. They will never FORGET him. . . . nt

[Blues Heron]

37. It matters, its important that the AG be the one, not this unknown guy.

It s just random, a big step backwards. Its a major downgrade.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

39. It matter not one whit to him doing his job whether 99 pc know him or not. Not one scintilla. . . nt

[Blues Heron]

41. right, its only the most unprecedented crimes of a sitting president against the US

lets give it over to some random guy, Im sure he will rise to the occasion, NOT. Its a badly timed punt.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

40. Random? You have a foregone conclusion that Garland is weak and you warp everything around that

It is nonsense and ignorant of reality to call insist that this is all somehow random.

Like I said, you are not serious.

"Oh, Smith is a rando" is not a serious person's take.

[Blues Heron]

42. Too bad bro

Im right on this - its a step backwards. It is totally random to do this, this needs nothing less than the AG

[Bernardo de La Paz]

45. Serious people like Laurence Tribe think Smith is the exact OPPOSITE of a "rando"

I suppose you are going accuse Tribe of being a "rando".

[Blues Heron]

47. it just looks really weak

AG steps down! Hands off case to unknown guy from the Hague! -- that doesnt exactly project confidence.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

49. You aren't serious. I keep making references & you keep repeating nebulous preconceived opinions. nt

[Blues Heron]

50. you keep making ad hominems - why?

i think you should simmer down on the ad hominems and address my points. Its annoying Bernardo. You notice im not insulting you or your character, so please tone it down I am not here to be your punching bag.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

52. I addressed your points and you addressed none of mine. . . nt

[Blues Heron]

54. I hope your right, it looks bad though

really weak looking move. Garland needed to step up, not step aside.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

51. Shabby debating technique how you repeatedly misrepresent him as not American

Shoddy work to try to make him look unsuitable by at least twice referring to him as "from the Hague". Or did you not know? That would be shoddy work too.

It's a lie.

He was "in the Hague".

Jack Smith is from the United States of America.

[Blues Heron]

53. He is in the Hague right now Bernardo

thats where he has been working and where he is coming from. Look back at my posts- I said he is from NY - my post #31

[Bernardo de La Paz]

32. It's a nice trite phrase that has some truth, but is basically lazy binary all-or-nothing thinking.n

[republianmushroom]

36. "No one is above the law" is just a motto and not reality.

[ancianita]

48. All these richies' prove you totally wrong. And these are just 1/10 of 2 weeks of cases.

Right off the DOJ's front page:

Investment Manager Arrested for $10 Million Cryptocurrency Ponzi Scheme
Friday, November 18, 2022

10 Charged in Business Email Compromise and Money Laundering Schemes Targeting Medicare, Medicaid, and Other Victims

Fugitive Couple Extradited to the United States from Montenegro to Begin Prison Sentences for $20 Million Fraud

Political Consultant Convicted for Scheme Involving Illegal Foreign Campaign Contribution to 2016 Presidential Campaign

United States Repatriates Over $20 Million in Assets Stolen by Former Nigerian Dictator

Tax Attorneys and Insurance Agent Indicted for Promoting and Selling Fraudulent Tax Shelter

Two Pharmacy Owners Plead Guilty in COVID-19 Money Laundering and Health Care Fraud Case

Florida Birth-Related Neurological Injury Compensation Plan and Association to Pay $51 Million to Resolve False Claims Act Allegations

Indian National Charged in $8 Million COVID-19 Relief Fraud Scheme

Honeywell to Pay $3.35 Million for Alleged False Claims for Zylon Bullet Proof Vests

CEO and President of Hawaii Shipbuilding Company Charged with Securities Fraud

Two Arrested and 13 Charged in Three Separate Cases for Alleged Participation in Malign Schemes in the United States on Behalf of the Government of the People’s Republic of China

More reading would stop your repeated use of cynicism as some lazy substitute for wisdom.

[republianmushroom]

59. how long has trump been breaking the law ?

How many crimes has trump committed that is known and not indicted for?

[ancianita]

66. Miss me with your fact free cynicism. Factually answer your own questions for once.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

[Fiendish Thingy]

38. Joshua Schulte wasn't indicted for espionage for 3 years, and not convicted for 2 years after that

I think he counts as “any other person”.

Sounds like you’re struggling with the uncertainty of it all, and would prefer and quick indictment, followed by an equally rapid dismissal/acquittal (“damned be the outcome”), rather than wait for an indictment that results in a conviction.

As for me, I’ll wait.

[old guy]

55. Actually, we're all going to wait and wait and wait whether we like it or not.

[Orrex]

71. Did Schulte brag publicly and repeatedly about his espionage?

Trump has many times boasted about his theft and illegal possession of classified materials.

I would be interested to hear about a similar case in which the criminal confessed so often and so openly and was still allowed to roam free for years and years.

I guess being caught red-handed and voluntarily confessing just isn’t enough to secure an indictment.

[RockRaven]

43. "...[not] One rule for the powerful and another for the powerless..."

That one line from his first day speech was -- and remains -- one of the biggest fucking lies I've heard in the last decade of politics/civic life. And we had TFG as POTUS. Jesus Christ.

[Ms. Toad]

56. There are only a handful of similarly situated people.

Trump, and all current/former presidents are uniquely situated people as to classified documents. These individual have (or at the time they initially pissed the documents) the intent ability to declassify them. Comparing Trump to anyone else is comparing apples to turkeys.

I think he should be prosecuted, but it is not as simple as saying anyone else would have been, since there are currently only 4 other living, similarly situated people for comparison, none of whom has done anything similar.

[Orrex]

57. When I make a similar point, I am attacked, belittled, and condescended to

The wisest of the wise assure me that The System is working perfectly, and how dare I, a mere mortal, question the infinite wisdom of Garland and His mighty works?

Every second that the obviously guilty Trump (who has many times declared his guilt publicly) walks free is irrefutable, permanent proof that The System is explicitly designed to favor the wealthy, the powerful, and the well-connected, and when I point this out, I am mocked for my pitiable ignorance by people who totally assure me that they're lawyers for realz.

Street-level criminals in my town sit in jail without bond pending trial because of small amounts of drugs or a stolen handgun. Trump repeatedly broadcasts the proof of his crimes, and is wholly unrepentant about them, and yet tomorrow he will wake between silk sheets and head out for another day of freedom to whip his KKKultists into insurrection.


But The System is infallible, of course.

[Emile]

68. +1

Great post!

[Goodheart]

70. +1

[sop]

74. Well stated.

[brooklynite]

65. Please explain how justice was "delayed".

DELAY (verb): "make (someone or something) late or slow."

How did AG Garland "make" the application of justice slower than necessary?

[Orrex]

69. Ah, yes. The Dictionary Gambit

That tactic was a real winner among my 8th grade Debate Club.

[Meowmee]

67. I think it's time to see

This monster will never have any real accountability for his numerous serious crimes. The worst of which imo is the murders of millions of Americans. In addition we are still endangered.

It is terrible beyond description for those of us who really care to watch this disgrace and malfeasance happening here. I think this past election is the beginning of the end here.

[sop]

75. We'll know soon enough what, if anything, will happen to Trump.

I am of the opinion nothing of consequence will happen to him. He certainly won't go to trial, much less prison. At most he'll work out some bullshit plea deal with the DOJ, admit to some vague wrongdoing, suffer a few sanctions, then agree to "retire" from public life, for the "good of the country." Predictably, Trump won't abide by any agreement; he'll be right back at it in due time.

[Meowmee]

77. If that happens

It would also show how helpless this country is to stop a fascist criminal from destroying the country. As long as people support him and since he was supposedly the president they will be afraid and hesitate and won’t do anything about it that will actually work. This is why I’m hoping he expires from natural causes as soon as possible. That is the only way to get rid of him.

It’s the craziest thing I’ve ever seen in a so-called democracy you have a mad man who has behaved like a madman for several years now who has caused and who continues to try to cause extreme damage and yet you are apparently “helpless” and or unwilling for whatever reasons to do anything about it.

[bigtree]

73. "Charge. Damned be the outcome."

...that should work out well.

[Treefrog]

76. This

x1000.