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speak easy

(12,598 posts)
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 01:05 AM Nov 2022

No Benghazi for you. Why AG Garland appointed a Special Counsel.

Last edited Sat Nov 19, 2022, 09:09 AM - Edit history (2)

What it means that a special counsel is running the Trump investigations

The appointment has the practical effect of limiting information about the investigation that must be disclosed to Congress, as only details about its budget must be shared with lawmakers.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/18/politics/what-to-know-special-counsel-trump-mar-a-lago-january-6/index.html

Edited for clarity


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No Benghazi for you. Why AG Garland appointed a Special Counsel. (Original Post) speak easy Nov 2022 OP
This savvy, manipulative, 4D-chess-playing rationale is at odds with the by-the-book, no other RockRaven Nov 2022 #1
Good question. The cache of gov docs at MAL is... brush Nov 2022 #2
You nailed it: MyOwnPeace Nov 2022 #4
If you read the emptywheel tweets, there is no way anybody can indict for about 30 days or more Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #19
Looks like he did it again. Wish DOJ would stay a step ahead of him for a change. brush Nov 2022 #21
They have. They got it on a fast-track. tRump's special master ploy got blown up. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #22
That makes sense, especially since it appears that the coup attempt involved sitting members. mjvpi Nov 2022 #3
TY.. that is scary for Dt! Cha Nov 2022 #5
My impression is: This new sheriff is not going to accept these "Oh yeah? Whaddyagonna do about it!" NBachers Nov 2022 #13
That is an insight that calms my own reaction as makes good sense. kr PufPuf23 Nov 2022 #6
I'm For AG Garland & Jack Smith's Cha Nov 2022 #7
Yes. Indicting a former president is not like serving up a TV dinner. speak easy Nov 2022 #8
And, from what I've read Cha Nov 2022 #11
+1 treestar Nov 2022 #18
+1 speak easy Nov 2022 #26
Same here. Let the adults do their work so it sticks. we can do it Nov 2022 #23
TY, we can do it! nt Cha Nov 2022 #27
Thanks for helping keep hope alive! Blue Owl Nov 2022 #28
YVW! & I Hope I'm Cha Nov 2022 #33
only details about its budget... SledDriver Nov 2022 #9
Maybe if it takes longer than a year Metaphorical Nov 2022 #16
I think McCarthy could try to defund all of DoJ, but not specific expenditures Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #20
Post removed Post removed Nov 2022 #10
Well, that's good, but... LudwigPastorius Nov 2022 #12
They'd get the evidence in discovery anyway, once indictments were filed. n/t pnwmom Nov 2022 #15
+1000. nt pnwmom Nov 2022 #14
That's important, speak easy. brer cat Nov 2022 #17
No Benghazi for you :) speak easy Nov 2022 #24
LOL brer cat Nov 2022 #25
I have seen thousands of posts about Trump since the Jan. 6th events. former9thward Nov 2022 #29
1. Because Republicans did not control the House speak easy Nov 2022 #30
No one knows who Jack Smith is. former9thward Nov 2022 #31
You asked "why didn't people call for a SC before it was announced" speak easy Nov 2022 #32
Should we give up and let Trump go? Kingofalldems Nov 2022 #34

RockRaven

(19,381 posts)
1. This savvy, manipulative, 4D-chess-playing rationale is at odds with the by-the-book, no other
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 01:11 AM
Nov 2022

choice, boy scout narrative.

Which portrayal are Garland fans going to endorse?

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
2. Good question. The cache of gov docs at MAL is...
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 01:12 AM
Nov 2022

a slam dunk case for indictment and IMO, a verdict of guilty as trump had stolen gov docs, still has some, in his possession. There's no denying that and that's a crime.

Too bad, Garland seems to be reverting back to his previous timidity with this special prosecutor move.

INDICT trump already, Garland. The evidence is there. He's guilty as sin for all to see.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
19. If you read the emptywheel tweets, there is no way anybody can indict for about 30 days or more
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 07:55 AM
Nov 2022

... due to certain legal machinations that tRump set in motion. They have to play out at upcoming court dates before ANYBODY CAN LEGALLY examine the documents to see what tRump intermixed with what.

tRump will lose, but the delays are all on tRump, who is a master of delay.

mjvpi

(1,931 posts)
3. That makes sense, especially since it appears that the coup attempt involved sitting members.
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 01:12 AM
Nov 2022

Cha

(319,086 posts)
5. TY.. that is scary for Dt!
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 01:27 AM
Nov 2022

I like what I've read about jack Smith and why he was appointed Special Counsel.

Yay.. from your link..

Smith will also oversee aspects of the probe reviewing efforts to obstruct the transfer of presidential power after 2020, including bids to interfere with Congress’ certification of the vote

Good article..

snip//

Smith will have at his disposal all of the investigatory tools that a US attorney can use, including subpoena power. He will be given his own budget and can build out a staff to support his work. If he chooses to bring any indictments, his team could also lead those prosecutions in court. His investigatory work must comply with all Justice Department regulations, procedures and policies.

Garland said that he “will ensure that the special counsel receives the resources to conduct this work quickly and completely."




NBachers

(19,439 posts)
13. My impression is: This new sheriff is not going to accept these "Oh yeah? Whaddyagonna do about it!"
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 03:31 AM
Nov 2022

subpoena evasion schemes.

Cha

(319,086 posts)
7. I'm For AG Garland & Jack Smith's
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 01:33 AM
Nov 2022

Methodical and Precise Investigations and NOT the Internet's Rush of Impatience.

They're Not doing the work.

Cha

(319,086 posts)
11. And, from what I've read
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 02:43 AM
Nov 2022

from those who know Jack Smith.. Dt should be afraid.. Very Afraid!




Mahalo!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
18. +1
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 07:49 AM
Nov 2022

There are no "slam dunk" cases in courtrooms. Especially one like this. He could well get a hung jury or even be acquitted. There are plenty of dumb people to pick from the jury pool and Magats will never vote to convict.

Blue Owl

(59,111 posts)
28. Thanks for helping keep hope alive!
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 10:10 PM
Nov 2022

I must admit I’m becoming skeptical that anything will ever happen with the FF45/J6/Espionage investigations…. But goddamnit I hope I am wrong!

Cha

(319,086 posts)
33. YVW! & I Hope I'm
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 10:54 PM
Nov 2022

right, Blue Owl!

It's certainly going to be interesting to watch Jack Smith take on the Fascist Treasonous Super Assholes

Metaphorical

(2,634 posts)
16. Maybe if it takes longer than a year
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 04:36 AM
Nov 2022

Appropriations have already been made for 2023, so cannot be changed at this point, and I suspect that with a Special Counsel coordinating things, we will see indictments made sooner than 2024.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
20. I think McCarthy could try to defund all of DoJ, but not specific expenditures
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 07:59 AM
Nov 2022

They can try to write legislation to hold the country hostage or block legislation (govt shutdown or equivalent) until the Special Counsel is dissolved, but it won't work. The office will be funded and will proceed.



Response to speak easy (Original post)

LudwigPastorius

(14,727 posts)
12. Well, that's good, but...
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 03:24 AM
Nov 2022

the Republicans will/do have access to everything the J6 committee uncovered.

That's enough for the lawyers to begin to try to construct a defense for Fuckface.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
29. I have seen thousands of posts about Trump since the Jan. 6th events.
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 10:25 PM
Nov 2022

And the documents search, etc.

Almost none talked about appointing a special counsel. Or if someone did others said it was "not necessary" or a "delay tactic" or a "distraction."

Now that a SC has been appointed people are saying it was necessary, A great move for various reasons, If that is true why didn't people call for a SC before it was announced?

speak easy

(12,598 posts)
30. 1. Because Republicans did not control the House
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 10:36 PM
Nov 2022

and 2. Opinion changed when Jack Smith was named as SC.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
31. No one knows who Jack Smith is.
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 10:43 PM
Nov 2022

I have asked what war criminals he prosecuted and what were the results and I have yet to receive a response. Rs taking over the House does not mean anything about these investigations.

speak easy

(12,598 posts)
32. You asked "why didn't people call for a SC before it was announced"
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 10:50 PM
Nov 2022

and I gave you answers that are out there. You may not agree with the reasoning, but that is what has changed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/19/garland-special-counsel-jack-smith-trump/

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