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gab13by13

(21,334 posts)
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 11:46 AM Nov 2022

If Putin Goes Down

Recession has hit Russia, the unwashed Russians are upset. Putin's inner circle is not as supportive, they are still afraid of him, but there are cracks.

If Putin goes down, credit goes to president Biden along with the will and courage of the Ukranian people.

A toppling of Putin will cement President Biden as one of the top 3 presidents in our nation's history, and president Zelenskyy will be known as the greatest president of Ukraine.

Geez I hope that Putin didn't take advice from Trump or his pal Tucker Carlson about President Biden. Trump and Tucker better stay away from Polonium soup.

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If Putin Goes Down (Original Post) gab13by13 Nov 2022 OP
Putin really doesn't like Biden or Zelenskyy. nt BootinUp Nov 2022 #1
I agree up to a point, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2022 #2
Absolutely, and who was the glue who kept NATO and our allies united? gab13by13 Nov 2022 #4
Yes, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2022 #5
Good one, MCE! calimary Nov 2022 #28
I just hope the new House of Lunacy Bayard Nov 2022 #10
I worry about this. mahina Nov 2022 #33
I am immensely proud of our president wnylib Nov 2022 #14
Don't forget the Carhart effect. jaxexpat Nov 2022 #16
Just Do It! Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #6
Hey Putin, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2022 #7
I think Steven Wright said it best notKeith Nov 2022 #25
Some decades ago, I edited a Steven Wright special. Just A Box Of Rain Nov 2022 #30
he has a death grip on power..... getagrip_already Nov 2022 #3
Russian Colonel shoots self in chest "5" times committing suicide Submariner Nov 2022 #8
I did say his inner circle still fears him, but there are cracks. gab13by13 Nov 2022 #9
Sounds like the one who committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head Ray Bruns Nov 2022 #11
The next Russian colonel will certainly shoot himself louis-t Nov 2022 #26
He would be the first bad actor to get comeuppance in quite a while GreenWave Nov 2022 #12
I just wish he'd go down soon. wryter2000 Nov 2022 #13
Maybe he could retire to Mar a Siberia Fritz Walter Nov 2022 #15
LIKE republianmushroom Nov 2022 #17
But spread some love for Olaf Scholz. carpetbagger Nov 2022 #18
hmmm ashpibaoo Nov 2022 #19
If he does go down, I see someone in the military take over. sakabatou Nov 2022 #20
If Putin goes down, tiredtoo Nov 2022 #21
I'm really happy with Biden, but I struggle to list him as a top-3 best president Victor_c3 Nov 2022 #22
Love this. Joinfortmill Nov 2022 #23
do not underestimate the hold of putin over the people dembotoz Nov 2022 #24
Makes you wonder... NQAS Nov 2022 #27
Acting utterly vile and insane is their goal. Irish_Dem Nov 2022 #32
Top 3 Presidents? Which one are gonna bump? Washington, Lincoln or FDR? speak easy Nov 2022 #29
If Putler is eliminated, Russia will for sure break apart. roamer65 Nov 2022 #31
Careful for what you ask for. Xolodno Nov 2022 #34

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,374 posts)
2. I agree up to a point,
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 12:00 PM
Nov 2022

if and when Putin goes down, hopefully via a fall out of a window, credit should go to Pres. Biden, NATO and every country standing up to the tyrant.

gab13by13

(21,334 posts)
4. Absolutely, and who was the glue who kept NATO and our allies united?
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 12:20 PM
Nov 2022

Who was the glue who pushed through weapons for Ukraine? President Biden understood how far to push, how far to go to keep from escalating into WW III.

There is a lot of support that the US gave to Ukraine that remains hidden, like logistics and communication abilities. One of the problems for Russia was its ability to communicate among the troops. I'm sure we helped Ukraine with our satellite capabilities.

Now, even if Putin goes down, there are people waiting in the wings just as ruthless. His demise, his defeat will send shock waves across Russia.

wnylib

(21,448 posts)
14. I am immensely proud of our president
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 01:27 PM
Nov 2022

for the aid he has given to Ukraine and for uniting not just NATO, but other nations as well.

But, the successes of Ukraine in this war would not have happened without President Zelenskyy's leadership of his nation and the Ukrainian people's courage and stamina. Ukraine is fighting for its life, but also on behalf of democracy in the world.

jaxexpat

(6,822 posts)
16. Don't forget the Carhart effect.
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 01:47 PM
Nov 2022

Zelensky would be lost into the world of high fashion without his Tee Shirt.

notKeith

(138 posts)
25. I think Steven Wright said it best
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 02:33 PM
Nov 2022

"If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving definitely isn't for you."

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
30. Some decades ago, I edited a Steven Wright special.
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 02:54 PM
Nov 2022

I laughed so hard that I almost felt guilty about getting paid.

getagrip_already

(14,747 posts)
3. he has a death grip on power.....
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 12:07 PM
Nov 2022

A popular uprising would look like the bahkmut kill box. The military is largely behind him. And the elite class keeps falling out of windows.

The only real threat to him is wagner, who are building forces in and around moscow and st pete. And so far, wagner is loyal.

In any event, the head of wagner would likely seize control if/when putin dies. And that would be a decidedly turn for the worse.

Still, down with putin and his entire rotten regime (including wagner). One problem child at a time.

Submariner

(12,504 posts)
8. Russian Colonel shoots self in chest "5" times committing suicide
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 12:33 PM
Nov 2022

This must be some sort of a desperate act of suicide to get off so many rounds...anything it takes to avoid Putin.

"It turns out that the colonel shot himself in the chest five times," the Baza Telegram channel wrote, noting that no suicide note was found at the scene.

Regional authorities and law enforcement officials have yet to comment on the reports of Boyko's death.

According to Baza, Boyko was responsible for working with Russian soldiers drafted under Putin's September 21 mobilization order.

https://www.newsweek.com/vadim-boyko-russian-officer-bullets-suicide-mobilization-putin-1760296



louis-t

(23,292 posts)
26. The next Russian colonel will certainly shoot himself
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 02:39 PM
Nov 2022

in the back with a speargun. Borrowed from a "Just Shoot Me" episode.

GreenWave

(6,744 posts)
12. He would be the first bad actor to get comeuppance in quite a while
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 01:13 PM
Nov 2022

Saudi Butcher too oil rich! Must follow rules which he clearly did not.
IQ 45 getting ready to crank up his BS again.

There are more to be sure.

wryter2000

(46,040 posts)
13. I just wish he'd go down soon.
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 01:24 PM
Nov 2022

He’s harming people all over the world but especially in Ukraine and Russia.

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
15. Maybe he could retire to Mar a Siberia
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 01:33 PM
Nov 2022

Let the polar bears feast on his frozen remains. Along with his bevy of Frosted Flakes®.

carpetbagger

(4,391 posts)
18. But spread some love for Olaf Scholz.
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 01:52 PM
Nov 2022

I think Putin saw him and Germany as the weak link due to their energy dependence. He knew Merkel would hold, but Scholz was untested just two months into his chancellorship. That link held.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
22. I'm really happy with Biden, but I struggle to list him as a top-3 best president
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 02:09 PM
Nov 2022

Of course, history will be the judge and a couple of decades will give us more clarity on where he sits in terms of best and worst.

We’re not even 2 years into Biden’s first term…

Edit: I can’t do simple math. Biden was inaugurated Jan 2021.

dembotoz

(16,802 posts)
24. do not underestimate the hold of putin over the people
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 02:29 PM
Nov 2022

friend vacationed in russia a few years back....
in the city in rural, long train trips.....
The state control and putin are everywhere.
She brought me back a very nice putin shot glass.
The indoctrination has been total and has been going on for years now.
The still believe...yes believe, the landing on the moon was a fake.

Putin is not a nice man. He came up thru the secret police and he knows how to use them.

Don't be surprised if old vlad is around for a long time.

NQAS

(10,749 posts)
27. Makes you wonder...
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 02:40 PM
Nov 2022

How will America’s fascists react to putin’s death or overthrow? After all, how could they possibly eulogize a brutal dictator and war criminal without seeming utterly vile and insane?

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
31. If Putler is eliminated, Russia will for sure break apart.
Sat Nov 19, 2022, 02:58 PM
Nov 2022

Just like Iraq when Saddam was removed.

We need to be prepared for it.

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