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TygrBright

(20,755 posts)
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 06:58 PM Nov 2022

Hunter Biden and His Laptop

His first traumatic brain injury happened when he was two years old, in the car accident that killed his mother and his sister, and smashed up his older brother as well as himself.

It wasn't a wealthy family but they were prosperous enough not to worry about private school tuition and the necessities of life. But being a Biden came with expectations, strong ones. The Catholic upbringing. Ethics, and service to others. His Dad's work in government set a high bar for public service. His older brother's academic, public service, military and political successes came in a seemingly unbroken string of achievement.

I wonder, though, what all those expectations, and the residue of that childhood trauma, did to Hunter Biden. I wonder if at any time when he was working to get the grades and make the entrance requirements for Georgetown, if he ever thought "What else might I be doing? Are there other options for me? Is there anything I'm passionate about, other than making good by the standards of my loving family?"

Georgetown isn't one of the big "Party Schools" but it is likely that his problems with substance abuse began there. His fortune/misfortune is to have been born to a family with the expectation that they will look after one another, and the means to do so. When he seemed to 'need help' it was gotten for him, in short order.

Which kept him afloat. Which gave him chance after chance. He graduated Georgetown. He got a law degree from Yale. While it's unlikely those diplomas were wholly unearned, had he been the son of an unknown insurance broker of modest means, would he have made it all the way? Certainly he had the potential - intelligent, curious, creative enough to be interested and intrigued by new things. I'd be willing to bet, though, that he had a pattern of starting out really well, and then getting distracted, bored, or demotivated, and either abandoning or just scraping through on completing stuff.

Still, it was enough. Having an older brother successfully launched in State politics and a father in the U.S. Senate, he never had to worry about prestigious job opportunities. The name "Biden" did it all, a fact of which he was undoubtedly conscious, and possibly humiliated by. Had he not had that little problem with crack cocaine, alcohol, etcetera, the Biden name probably would have propelled him almost anywhere - but maybe not anywhere he really wanted to go.

His resume of lobbyist, board member, consultant, reveals a pattern. He was on the masthead, and he was a communication channel. Was he ever more than superficially interested in the actual businesses, their aims and goals? Did he ever get a sense of satisfaction or achievement from having accomplished something for a client or helped a business build something worthwhile?

Someone raised to believe that work and service should do good things, should make the world a better place. Someone also raised to be successful, to carry out activities of note, to shine in the public eye. Someone with deep childhood traumas and an escalating substance abuse disorder. In close proximity to money, power, and influence, on the international stage.

Yeah, there's likely to be some ugly stuff to drag out.

Yeah, Hunter's family probably did more than they should to enable him not to fail catastrophically during some crucial years.

But here are some other things to consider:

1. I would bet large money that none of Hunter's family's enabling stretched as far as "illegal" or even "unethical" in the public sense. That doesn't mean they didn't talk people into giving him chances he probably shouldn't have gotten, or found ways to minimize or amend harm done. They probably yanked him back from the brink a good many times. But breaking laws or engaging in deceitful, unethical things that would have done great harm to others? I'm betting NOT, no matter how the MAGAts try to spin it.

2. In spite of all that enabling, Hunter has clearly reached some level of self-knowledge that is allowing him to work at recovery and change. Will he relapse again? Possibly, that's how the disease works. But he has a better-than-average chance of continuing a recovery trajectory, and part of that will be getting more help to deal with the effects of traumatic brain injury and his long bouts with substances. Part of it will be learning what's best for HIM, apart from family history, the expectations he internalized, and the lucratively successful failures of his past. Who knows what directions the creativity he seems to be finding will lead?

3. If the chaotic, messy trajectory of his years in active addiction includes any real crime or corruption --as it well might-- he will pay a price, and it may or may not be a reasonable, proportionate price. The privilege of being Joe Biden's son has two edges, and one of them is that his sins WILL be judged with the greatest attention and scrutiny of the public eye and a very hostile lynch mob baying on the sidelines.

If Hunter Biden's early life had been similar but his father had been a politically influential and well-connected banker who'd never held elected office, his personal and professional trajectory might have been very much the same. But it would have been a private, family tragedy, a personal struggle, and the consequences of any crimes or misdemeanors would be worked out without the roar of public conflict and the distorting lens of partisanship on either side.

So here's what I think: Whatever solid thread of fact there is in the trove of rumor, innuendo, conspiracy-mongering, emails, documents, and laptop files, THAT thread will be acknowledged and appropriately dealt with, as impartially as possible, by the Biden family. Beyond that, they will do nothing to add credibility, fuel, or attention to a politically-motivated shit show orchestrated by authoritarian wannabes.

Nor will the Bidens play the "tu quoque" game, pointing out the myriad corruptions and visibly flaunted crimes committed by family members of [Redacted]. Democratic leadership will take a similar line, though of course, Democrats being Democrats, there will be plenty of kibitzing from Party rank and file.

And in the long run, in spite of the painful endurance required, this will result in a net gain for the Bidens, and a net loss for the GOP, as everyone who isn't already a cult member perceives the difference between who the Bidens are, and what the GOP is. Add in the complete lack of any tangible accomplishment that a GOP House will be able to deliver while it's lost in the clown show, and they will not be happy campers by the time November of 2024 rolls around.

So please, my DU friends and colleagues, try to keep a sense of that bigger picture. Add as little as possible to the frothing scum. The Bidens will deal with this family tragedy as they have dealt with every other family tragedy: Appropriately, with dignity, continuing their best efforts to do right and serve the public all the while.

The best thing we can do is remain confident in them, and refrain from feeding trolls.

wearily,
Bright

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Hunter Biden and His Laptop (Original Post) TygrBright Nov 2022 OP
I stopped reading this whatever it is when for the umpteenth time you said he got more chances than Biophilic Nov 2022 #1
Agree claudette Nov 2022 #3
Hunter Biden worked in the Commerce Department Genki Hikari Nov 2022 #21
And claudette Nov 2022 #34
Why any of this? CBS Morning had a looooong segment this morn, more in depth than they ever have. bullimiami Nov 2022 #7
Good post! Elessar Zappa Nov 2022 #2
Thank you for that obviously well-considered OP. I'll bet you were as perplexed by the Atticus Nov 2022 #4
Thanks. TygrBright Nov 2022 #6
Personally claudette Nov 2022 #16
Well articulated and written post, Mr.Bill Nov 2022 #5
My guess is that they will find as much on Hunter Biden lees1975 Nov 2022 #8
"Finding something" is not their goal, wnylib Nov 2022 #15
It's funny how these repub's innuendo blends with projection. rubbersole Nov 2022 #26
So then it's up to us to expose that, very loudly and publicly. wnylib Nov 2022 #29
Steven Colbert is excellent at it. rubbersole Nov 2022 #31
How many people see Tiedrich's tweets? wnylib Nov 2022 #35
It's Hillary's emails, Anthony Weiner's laptop Part III (or was that Huma Abedein's laptop?) AdamGG Nov 2022 #20
It's not just the RW sheep who fall for it. wnylib Nov 2022 #30
This was a very good post. I read it to the end. secondwind Nov 2022 #9
Whenever I hear of someone talking about "his" laptop sobenji Nov 2022 #10
Exactly. Kingofalldems Nov 2022 #11
Sounds like there was an iCloud hack too according to NBC - July 2022 womanofthehills Nov 2022 #19
Brilliant!!! Karadeniz Nov 2022 #12
The latest Hunter "scandal" has to do with overpriced artwork. sop Nov 2022 #13
Overpriced Rebl2 Nov 2022 #23
Review of Hunter Biden exhibit: sop Nov 2022 #24
People pay what they think it's worth TexasBushwhacker Nov 2022 #25
Two words. Private. Citizen. Evolve Dammit Nov 2022 #14
Exactly claudette Nov 2022 #17
YEP Rebl2 Nov 2022 #27
We don't do ourselves any favors by discussing this "but her emails" bullshit that the media will... NNadir Nov 2022 #18
As always, a thoughtful post. I see the RW scum try to drive the man to suicide or worse... Hekate Nov 2022 #22
Speaking as the wife (for almost 39 years now) of an alcoholic TBI survivor soldierant Nov 2022 #28
I know. My brother had TBI, and died of it a few years later. TygrBright Nov 2022 #36
There's apparently no proof the laptop... Septua Nov 2022 #32
Thank you for your thoughful post Wild blueberry Nov 2022 #33

Biophilic

(3,630 posts)
1. I stopped reading this whatever it is when for the umpteenth time you said he got more chances than
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 07:11 PM
Nov 2022

He should have. What gives you the right to make that call? What gives you the right to stand in that kind of judgement over another human being? Perhaps you had an important message in your post. It was lost to me when you decided to make those kinds of judgments.

claudette

(3,487 posts)
3. Agree
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 07:28 PM
Nov 2022

I stopped reading because Hunter is not now and never as a government employee. He is already being investigated for his alleged crimes as a citizen. He doesn't need anyone to psychoanalyze him or analyze what caused his problems. He is doing just fine and will survive a congressional circus hearing because be is inte,ligent and his family supports him.

Actually I stopped paying attention to what I was reading in the post when it was implies that he had brain damage from the accident. And this is NOT a tragedy for the Bidens. It is a tragedy for our government to waste money and allow this hearing to happen.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
21. Hunter Biden worked in the Commerce Department
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:31 PM
Nov 2022

During the Clinton administration, in the ecommerce division, serving from 1998 to the end of the administration.

Edited to add: GWBush also nominated him to the Amtrak board, a position that required Senate confirmation. He served there the full five years of the position, from 2006 - 2011.

So he was indeed a government employee. TWICE.


https://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/17/politics/who-is-hunter-biden/index.html

claudette

(3,487 posts)
34. And
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:36 PM
Nov 2022

never was there a charge of any illegal behavior during that time. Right? So why does his “laptop” qualify as a reason for him to be hauled in front of Congress. He was never elected to an office either.

bullimiami

(13,076 posts)
7. Why any of this? CBS Morning had a looooong segment this morn, more in depth than they ever have.
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 08:09 PM
Nov 2022

Hunters fucking laptop…

Why the fuck? It’s like the damn buttery mails all over again.

What a bucket of swill.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
4. Thank you for that obviously well-considered OP. I'll bet you were as perplexed by the
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 07:40 PM
Nov 2022

"ambush" responses as I was.

Keep on keepin' on.

TygrBright

(20,755 posts)
6. Thanks.
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 08:05 PM
Nov 2022

The brain injury is public information, and he was two years old at the time. Traumatic Brain Injury is a challenge at any age, and it's clear that Hunter got excellent treatment to overcome many of the effects. Being so young probably also helped, as brain plasticity is at maximum and the ability of the brain to heal and rebuild is correspondingly great, in childhood. But long-term sequelae are distressingly common. And of course the trauma of losing your Mom and a sister, spending months in the hospital, etc., can't be underestimated, developmentally - and we knew a lot less about childhood trauma in the 1970s.

So it's hard to imagine that wouldn't be a factor in some of the difficulties Biden has dealt with.

As for the "chances" thing, I don't recall using the term "too many" anywhere, as I would NOT make a judgment on an individual case without direct knowledge. Having some considerable knowledge of substance use disorder and family systems, though, it's not hard to understand how even loving families with the best intentions can combine with ample financial and social resources to do unintentional harm while trying to help.

And it's also easy to understand how painful a hot button that can be for anyone who's struggled with family issues, so I'm not really perplexed.

But it's a long post with a lot of big words in it, so I'm not really surprised that some people just skim it and go straight to whatever pushes a button for them.

We don't have a 240-character limit here, after all.

reflectively,
Bright

Mr.Bill

(24,238 posts)
5. Well articulated and written post,
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 07:57 PM
Nov 2022

but somewhat speculative. I agree with your bottom line that the Bidens are a strong family that will weather this storm and come out all the better for it.

lees1975

(3,839 posts)
8. My guess is that they will find as much on Hunter Biden
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 08:10 PM
Nov 2022

as they did on Hillary Clinton.

If there had been anything to find, other than throwing words around to create a buzz, it would have been out and around long before now.

This is a waste of time and money, but, let the GOP do it, since they're not interested in doing anything else. It will come to nothing and as we have seen with the way they have handled Congressional investigations, it's just extra paper for the bathrooms in the capitol.

It might help McCarthy, or whoever heads the investigation, leave Congress and get a job as a "commentator" on Fox News, like Trey Gowdy.


wnylib

(21,337 posts)
15. "Finding something" is not their goal,
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:21 PM
Nov 2022

just like finding something with Hillary was not the goal.

The goal is to smear the Biden name with innuendo and accusations of something illegal or unethical in order to discredit Biden and by extension, Democrats.

Most people do not pay close attention to details of things like this. They get general impressions from how things are presented. Hillary's e-mails are an example in an experience that I had with a co-worker in 2016. When Comey announced that Hillary was cleared, a coworker told me that, since she had been acquitted, she should be treated as innocent. I told him that she had not been acquitted of anything because she had never been charged or tried for anything. He was genuinely shocked to hear that and started to disagree with me, but another coworker backed up what I said. So the guy who thought that she had been tried and acquitted asked me what it had all been about. I told him that it was just a Republican shit show investigation, without any basis other than political smear. They made a big public deal out of looking for something so that people like him would think that she had been charged and got away with something.

The reality is that once somebody is treated as a suspect, there will always be people who believe that that person is guilty of something. They will say, "Where there's smoke, there's fire."

Political strategists know this and use it. It's hard to fight the impressions that they deliberately create. The more you fight back, the more attention it gets. About the only thing that works is if the accusers are clearly, unequivocally exposed in their lies to the point that THEY become the ones who are embarrassed and discredited.




rubbersole

(6,660 posts)
26. It's funny how these repub's innuendo blends with projection.
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:49 PM
Nov 2022

They falsely accuse dems of what they're guilty of.

wnylib

(21,337 posts)
35. How many people see Tiedrich's tweets?
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 10:55 PM
Nov 2022

Colbert is watched by a lot of people, but I'm not sure how effective he is at getting out a message that sticks. People laugh at the jokes and then move on.

I hope that the Democrats who have started the Congressional Integrity Project for the purpose of Dem messaging and quick rebuttals are going to be effective in reaching people through mainstream media as well as social media.

AdamGG

(1,286 posts)
20. It's Hillary's emails, Anthony Weiner's laptop Part III (or was that Huma Abedein's laptop?)
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:27 PM
Nov 2022

They use the same tired playbook every time (because they've gotten results). The right wing sheep don't bother to realize that it's redux of the same thing as before and they don't care.

wnylib

(21,337 posts)
30. It's not just the RW sheep who fall for it.
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:53 PM
Nov 2022

There were Dems and Independents who voted for Trump in 2016.

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
9. This was a very good post. I read it to the end.
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 08:18 PM
Nov 2022

Am amazed at how well Biden has handled this, and I hope Hunter will be rid of his demons once and for all.

sobenji

(316 posts)
10. Whenever I hear of someone talking about "his" laptop
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 08:40 PM
Nov 2022

I want to shout SHOW ME A LEGITIMATE CHAIN OF CUSTODY. If you can’t show that, then the whole discussion and analysis is moot.

womanofthehills

(8,661 posts)
19. Sounds like there was an iCloud hack too according to NBC - July 2022
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:27 PM
Nov 2022

(I think many on here don't get the psychological damage that can be done to a child when they lose their mother at a young age and then spend a long time in a hospital. I'm curious as to who stepped into his mom's roll when Joe had to go back to work at Congress.)

The Secret Service said Monday it's "aware" of a potential hack of an iCloud account owned by Hunter Biden, the son of President Joe Biden, after some of its alleged contents were posted to the online forum 4chan.

"At this time we are not in a position to make public comments on potential investigative actions but I can assure you the Secret Service along with other federal law enforcement partners are aware of the social media posts and claims referencing Mr. Biden,” Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi said in a statement.https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/secret-service-says-aware-alleged-hunter-biden-icloud-hack-rcna37709









sop

(10,100 posts)
13. The latest Hunter "scandal" has to do with overpriced artwork.
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:13 PM
Nov 2022

His paintings are selling too well, so obviously a congressional investigation is in order.

Rebl2

(13,462 posts)
23. Overpriced
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:38 PM
Nov 2022

art work that Hunter did? Had no idea he painted or whatever medium he uses. I can think of a recent former president who paints. I am positive if it were to be sold, it would overpriced.

NNadir

(33,468 posts)
18. We don't do ourselves any favors by discussing this "but her emails" bullshit that the media will...
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:25 PM
Nov 2022

...now hype.

Why don't we just call it what it is, a bullshit distraction?

Hekate

(90,554 posts)
22. As always, a thoughtful post. I see the RW scum try to drive the man to suicide or worse...
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:37 PM
Nov 2022

Keep painting, Hunter. That’s good work, and it’s all yours.

soldierant

(6,791 posts)
28. Speaking as the wife (for almost 39 years now) of an alcoholic TBI survivor
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:52 PM
Nov 2022

I was deeply touched by your essay.

Some of it is likely to be righton target. Some of it may not be, although any of it is possible. Different people react differently to the same stimuli.

Some of our readers appear to have a compassion deficit. But the only thing that really put me off (not by you) was the comment which implied that your allusion to brain injury was some kind of character assassination. That implication really offended me.

Many years ago there was a dude who made movies on alcoholism for the Navy. One of his - I'll call the slogans - short pithy sentences which stimulated thinking - was "No lieelt bi=oy or girsl asked what they wanted to be when they grew up ever said, 'an alcoholic.'" No, no one ever shose that, No one ever chose TBI either. Hearing people refer to alcoholism as a characted defect is bad enough. Hearing people refer to TBI as if it were a character defect is - just beyond that.

TygrBright

(20,755 posts)
36. I know. My brother had TBI, and died of it a few years later.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:27 AM
Nov 2022

I think some of that reaction is based on how the Compassion-Free GOP has attempted to make any kind of brain injury synonymous with "stupid and unfit to hold office" during the Fetterman campaign.

While utterly ignoring the issues afflicting their own membership, and even their own GA Senate candidate. Who, in my opinion, merits compassion and help away from the public gaze.

So some of us are hyper-sensitive about the discussion of any brain injury.

It's somewhat related to the kind of education some of us keep trying to do about the difference between mental illness and manifestations of cruelty, bad upbringing, stupidity, and downright evil.

wearily,
Bright

Septua

(2,252 posts)
32. There's apparently no proof the laptop...
Mon Nov 21, 2022, 09:59 PM
Nov 2022

..belonged to Hunter Biden.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy

The owner of a Wilmington, Delaware computer repair shop, John Paul Mac Isaac, said the laptop had been brought to his shop in April 2019 by a person who said that he was Hunter Biden.


According to the New York Post story, a person—who Mac Isaac could not identify because he is legally blind left the computer at the repair shop to repair water damage, but once this was completed, the shop had no contact information for its owner, and nobody ever paid for it or came to pick it up. Criticism has been focused on Mac Isaac over inconsistencies in his accounts of how the laptop came into his possession and how he passed it on to Giuliani and the FBI.


..the New York Post published a story presenting emails from the laptop that the paper suggested showed possible corruption by Joe Biden. Incumbent president and presidential candidate Donald Trump tried to turn the story into a so-called October surprise to hurt Joe Biden's campaign, with Trump falsely asserting that Joe Biden had acted corruptly regarding Ukraine while in office.


Mac Isaac obtained the laptop in April 2019, and eventually brought the laptop to the attention of the FBI, who seized it in December 2019, under the authority of a subpoena issued by a Wilmington grand jury that had been investigating Hunter Biden for financial matters since 2018. He asserted three years later that while he was copying individual files and folders from the laptop's hard drive to another device, he "saw some content that was disturbing and then also raised some red flags", including "criminality ... related to foreign business dealings, to potential money laundering and, more importantly, national security issues and concerns." This caused him "to do a deep dive into the laptop once it became my property". Mac Isaac contacted Giuliani, who he said was his "lifeguard"—voicing credence to the conspiracy theory that the Hillary Clinton 2016 presidential campaign was behind the murder of campaign worker Seth Rich.


In March 2022, The Washington Post published the findings of two forensic information analysts it had retained to examine 217 gigabytes of data provided to the paper on a hard drive by Republican activist Jack Maxey, who represented that its contents came from the laptop. One of the analysts characterized the data as a "disaster" from a forensics standpoint.


It's no wonder nothing has resulted from an investigation around a laptop purportedly belonging to Hunter Biden, by a blind guy who says Giuliani is his lifeguard, along with all the alleged information, that analysts said was a disaster, purportedly coming from the hard drive or copies of the hard drive, provided by election deniers.

As the lawyers like to say, it's not what you think you know, it's what you can prove. All the GOP wants is something to suggest Joe Biden was paid something from some unsubstantiated, ethically questionable business deal that is theorized to have taken place in Ukraine.
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