Fred Guttenberg: This is what grooming looks like

[demmiblue]

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[Diamond_Dog]

1. Kick!

[3auld6phart]

8. Mercifalfeckin' hell

How Gawd amn revolting. Hopefully the kids out grow that shit. Some parents deserve
Charges of child cruelty aand gaol time. That is just frickin’ sick.

[LT Barclay]

15. There is something wrong with folks here, they vote republican and feel helpless because the

corporations are running their lives and make themselves feel better with guns and big pickup trucks. Scare little S##ts and we're surrounded down here. (amateur pyscoanalysis).
My wife and I adopted kids and when we were searching there was one group we had to pass up. The boys were named Hunter and Remington. Yes it's that bad here.

[calimary]

84. Oh dear... Hunter and Remington?

Oy. An attempt to mark them for life, and possibly influence their fate.

[Hekate]

2. KnR

[brer cat]

3. K&R

[LetMyPeopleVote]

4. LOL

[malaise]

5. Love Fred

No retreat no surrender
Rec

[SYFROYH]

6. Grooming to do what, Fred?

[Caliman73]

11. To have an unhealthy relationship with firearms.

My family has owned firearms for as long as I remember. Not once, EVER have we used the gun as a prop or as a backdrop. It is a tool, and a potentially deadly tool at that. I was brought up to respect firearms and the harm they can cause. I was never, ever told to play with a gun or use it to send any kind of message.

Those pictures are meant to indoctrinate the children in those families to place a high value on firearms aside from their use as tools for hunting, self defense, etc...

I have never understood gun culture with their fascination with posing with their firearms. The apparent fetishization of this tool. Which is why while I own firearms, I do not belong to or subscribe to much of what "gun culture" has to offer.

I know people who are interested in guns for historical items, the mechanics and precision of the firearm, etc..., but I have known too many who obsess over the things and frankly, it is kind of creepy.

[SYFROYH]

17. Lots of people shoot for hobbies and recreation.

You've never plinked for fun? Good for you.

Families do holiday card pictures of themselves, sometimes with hobbies or themes.

I don't see the issue here.

[NoMoreRepugs]

31. Seriously - no issue at all?

[SYFROYH]

34. I have no issue. Could be golf clubs for all I care.

[Ferrets are Cool]

49. You gotta be fucking kidding me?

You just earned a block. Goodbye.

[SYFROYH]

50. who are you?

[llmart]

58. +1

[billh58]

83. +100

No words...

[SunSeeker]

55. Guns are not toys. Involving children in firearm worship is sick and dangerous.

These sick fucks involved their kids in their gun fetish. Why not take up a more family friendly hobby? How about fishing? Hiking? Seriously, people with kids need to be more responsible about the hobbies they indoctrinate their kids into.

[SYFROYH]

63. We agree that guns are not toys.

But we disagree that teaching one's kids to shoot safely and responsibly is a problem.

[Ninga]

74. Guns are for one thing and one thing only.

Guns are for one thing and one thing only. They cause death. Death to animals death to humans.
It is matters not what is shot, once the bullet penetrates, will likely cause death..
The poses of those in the photos with weapons clearly conveys hostility. The photo say look at me, I’m a bad ass. I want to hunt people.

And oh by the way, merry Christmas.

[SYFROYH]

75. Ok

[Yoyoyo77]

24. The idea is that you and family need to be armed to fight off...

Those people!!! Who they are changes, but it's always people in some way different from you and that you don't know a lot about. It's a propaganda technique. Husker Du nailed it back in the 80s "Divide and Conquer". Listen!!!

[Leith]

13. Do you not see

children holding guns in those pictures? Dunno about anyone else, but it looks like those kids are being taught that guns are happy fun toys and it's perfectly wonderful to put the pics on holiday cards.

YMMV

[SYFROYH]

18. Agreed. YMMV

Families have hobbies. Recreational shooting is fun.

[Martin Eden]

38. Ideological posturing is much more likely in those pics

At least two of those pics include rightwing politicians who are loud and proud about firearms.

The chances are practically nil that every member of those families, all ages, have the same hobby of sport shooting and the rightwing politicians had no inkling that their holiday card would be perceived as a political statement of their ideology.

[niyad]

14. Did you notice the weapons??

[SYFROYH]

19. Yes, and...?

Families sometimes show their hobbies on holiday cards.

[niyad]

23. Please tell me that you are trying to be deliberately provocative.

[rubbersole]

25. Trolling 101.

[Ray Bruns]

67. Yes. Please stop feeding the troll.

[SYFROYH]

27. No more than Fred.

[niyad]

32. wow!

[SYFROYH]

35. It's complex world. Not everyone agrees with one another.

[niyad]

37. Yes. You will, of course, be willing to point this out to the grueving families and

survivors of the latest slaughter, right here in my community.

[Leith]

45. Just like he would say the same to Guttenburg's face

No doubt just pass it off as "plink plink."

[scarletlib]

57. Fred lost a child to guns in a massacre. He has justification. He is fighting for gun reform laws.

[Yoyoyo77]

28. A lot a of semi-automatic weapons in those photos.

[SYFROYH]

36. One gun for everyone.

It adds up quick.

[Celerity]

40. Same for problematic hot takes rationalising attempted normalisation of sociopathic gun fetishism

[rubbersole]

16. Normalize weapons of war in the hands of civilians.

Don't say Second Amendment. You'll just sound ignorant of the reason why it was proposed and adopted.

[SYFROYH]

22. Of course the 2nd Amendment had nothing to do with rifles in the hands of civilians.

Almost every major design in fireams in the hands of civilians today was designed for war. That includes ARs, level actions, revolvers, and pump shotguns.

Weapons of war... what a joke. The US military is cycling AR15 type rifles out because they aren't effective enough for modern war applications.

[elias7]

39. And my Subaru dealership is giving away 2022 models to make way for 2023

A 2022 Subaru - a driveable automobile? What a joke!

An old AR15 is/was a weapon of war. No joke. People are dying and you’re on a weird page.

[SYFROYH]

41. Yes, a lot of people are dying, more from pistols than AR-15s and other rifles.

And yet we focus on AR15 as "weapons of war"

Semi-auto pistols, revolvers, bolt action rifles, pump shotguns, and even old west lever actions were all designed as weapons to be used in war.

[sop]

46. If guns "were all designed as weapons to be used in war," they must all be banned.

If you need to go "plinking," get a BB gun. In the future I'll happily vote for any candidate who promises to take away all your guns. No more negotiating with gun fondlers; fuck them all, it's a complete waste of time. See how absolutism works?

[SYFROYH]

47. Go ahead and find that candidate who wants to take away all the gunz.

I'm not sure any such candidate exists within the Democratic party, but go for it.

I'm for regulation, but not bans.

Even Beto has backed off his 'Hell yes, we’re going to take your AR-15, your AK-47,'

[sop]

51. I'm for a total gun ban. Yeah, we're coming for all your guns. It's a promise. It will happen.

It will happen because a minority of imbeciles with their fucking guns have turned this country into a fucking shooting gallery. Americans are sick and fucking tired of gun fondlers murdering innocent people. If all guns were all designed for war, we cannot allow them in civilized society.

You think the 2nd Amendment was written on stone tablets? That the idea of gun ownership is somehow sacrosanct? Fuck that shit! Repeal the 2nd Amendment now! Just like a woman's right to choose was taken away, we're going to take away all your fucking guns. Count on it.

[SYFROYH]

52. I've got 99 problems but a total gun ban aint one.

I have no worries that you'll succeed.

[sop]

53. Sure, that's what people were also saying about abortion.

Banning guns will happen because absolutist gun fondlers with their 2nd Amendment bullshit have left reasonable people no other choice but to do so. It's either the fucking guns or the lives and welfare of Americans. That's what it's come down to. And it will be a very easy choice for the majority of voters.

And when guns are finally banned, it'll be the fault of absolutists gun fondlers who can't, or won't, distinguish between responsible gun ownership and all out carnage on our streets with guns designed expressly for war. So go plinking while you can, we'll be coming for the fucking guns sooner than you think.

[SYFROYH]

62. We all have dreams, I suppose.

[shrike3]

68. I thought I blocked all the gun nut apologists. Turns out I was wrong. So long.

[tblue37]

7. K&R for visibility. nt

[niyad]

9. Exactly.

[Wounded Bear]

10. Indeed! nt

[Kid Berwyn]

12. Sad.

A sub-culture of Kyle Rittenhouses.

[Fla Dem]

20. Horrifying and disgusting.

[calimary]

21. Downright nauseating. Revolting. And I'd call it an set of implied threats.

What business do you clowns have with all those guns? Gotta be ready to shoot somebody?

I feel for the kids in these photos. What kind of grownups are they going to grow up into?

God help the rest of us...

[Wild blueberry]

26. A million times yes

[FakeNoose]

29. What American family needs an assault rifle?

These parents should be charged with reckless endangerment of their own children.

[live love laugh]

30. If they were not white there'd be an uproar.

[inthewind21]

65. Bingo

[OAITW r.2.0]

33. Nothing says "Happy Holidays" than a family portrait with AR-15s.

It's what Jesus would want. /sarc

[Celerity]

42. Jeebus Gunner

[LiberalLovinLug]

54. I see that and I think that's hillarious

So utterly oxymoronic using the most dramatic iconic imagery possible.

But MAGAts see that and their hair stands up on the back of their necks.

[IcyPeas]

43. Party of Family Values

but they have no shame.

They don't give a shit about how many people are slaughtered with these same weapons.

[H2O Man]

44. Recommended.

[Initech]

48. See this, right wing? This is how you meme!

[Meowmee]

56. I am surprised someone didn't shoot another family member accidentally

While taking these pics. I wonder if the gun b used to murder her neighbor’s dog is in the photos.

[Timeflyer]

59. Lots of weapon choices when a family member gets suicidally depressed.

[wendyb-NC]

60. Yes, exactly

These pics should be broadcast far and wide, as a public service announcement.

[Johnny2X2X]

64. Stop misusing the word "Grooming"!

Republicans misusing that word caused a mass shooting in Colorado this weekend. Grooming is clearly meant to call people child molesters. Using their own loaded term back at them is wrong.

[inthewind21]

66. Misusing?

Any other words you want to strictly concede/adhere to what the republicans definition of a word is?

[Johnny2X2X]

69. People are giving it more power

One of the first rules to fighting fascism is to not use the fascist's language, don't give it power. That's why I've always cringed when people started saying "Fake News", or "Bigly", or a number of other things.

Groomers/grooming is being used politically to suggest people are pedophiles. Instead of using groomers, people on the left should have been challenging the word's use from the start. Instead we went years without challenging it, and we've ended up with a lot of violence towards the LGTBQ community.

Just once, when Republicans used it, I would have liked to see a media member stop them and ask, "Groomers? Please explain your use of that word. Are you suggesting LGTBQ people, or teachers are pedophiles? Do you not see how damaging this word is?"

[rubbersole]

72. That would require magats think past a bumper sticker slogan.

The same people voting for mtg and Herschel Walker.

[Johnny2X2X]

73. Anderson Lee Aldrich thought past a bumper sticker

He heard "groomers" and thought it meant pedophiles (because that's the intent of Republicans when they use the word), so he decided to massacre a bunch of innocent LGTBQ people at a bar.

Using groomers is incredibly loaded and dangerous.

[Caliman73]

78. Grooming is not only associated with child molestation.

When I was working in mental health I was groomed to take over as the Facility Director. Grooming is about preparing some one for something. There are certainly implications for child molestation but grooming is about preparing someone for something.

[nightwing1240]

71. SMDH

I just cannot comprehend how any parent would approve a family picture like these let alone give a weapon to children that look as young as these in the photos. Most parents wouldnt allow a cell phone to a child let alone a damn gun or rifle. Absolutely repugnant

[onetexan]

76. Messed up

[world wide wally]

77. Isn't that what Christmas is all about?

[Sucha NastyWoman]

79. Fred!

[oasis]

80. Zing! Big K and R

[onecaliberal]

81. Recommend.

[Blue Owl]

82. K&R