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WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
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Smith won't have a Bill Barr to kneecap him and bury his work. Ocelot II Nov 2022 #1
THANK YOU. elleng Nov 2022 #10
And a weasel named Rod Rosenstein oldtime dfl_er Nov 2022 #18
I'd think those comparing Jack Cha Nov 2022 #21
This thread was a sad attempt at humor that was based on very flawed assumptions LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #120
Oh yeah? Effete Snob Nov 2022 #50
Hey, I don't know what's going to happen any more than the rest of you. Ocelot II Nov 2022 #74
+100 ancianita Nov 2022 #78
+++ emulatorloo Nov 2022 #105
Couldn't have said it better myself. ShazzieB Nov 2022 #128
This, exactly! ShazzieB Nov 2022 #127
i remember mueller's bullshit too well. So many people kept saying samsingh Nov 2022 #2
It wasn't Mueller's bullshit. It's the Superman cloak many... brush Nov 2022 #11
Nothing is stopping Garland from releasing it. Autumn Nov 2022 #56
Ok, but what does that have to do with poster I responded to... brush Nov 2022 #58
A lot to do with it. You said "It still hasn't been released so don't blame Mueller and his team." Autumn Nov 2022 #60
The poster said it was Mueller's bullshit. As if Mueller... brush Nov 2022 #61
I didn't reply to the poster, I replied to you and what you said. I guess you can skip Autumn Nov 2022 #62
You're confused. Read the post I responded to. brush Nov 2022 #63
Not confused at all. I commented on your post. I replied to what you said. Autumn Nov 2022 #65
Quibble all you want about it's release. My post was... brush Nov 2022 #67
Dance around it all you want. The Mueller report still hasn't been released. Autumn Nov 2022 #70
Obviously. But that was not my reason for responding... brush Nov 2022 #72
Is it hard to understand that I responded to you and what you said, not another poster? Autumn Nov 2022 #75
That's your issue. Carry on with it. I'm done. brush Nov 2022 #82
Not an issue at all. It's a response to your post but by all means you carry on also Autumn Nov 2022 #88
Muller investigated but Barr and Rosenstein were never going to let the report see the light of Demsrule86 Nov 2022 #37
Oh really? Effete Snob Nov 2022 #52
Request a copy inthewind21 Nov 2022 #81
Bazinga! Effete Snob Nov 2022 #89
Mueller did his job. It was the Attorney General that decided there was nothing to see Lettuce Be Nov 2022 #3
Nah. UTUSN Nov 2022 #4
Mueller's Truth got whacked by Whackos. Rigged, remember? Any means necessary too. czarjak Nov 2022 #5
Garland is not a whacko. He could release the completer report and we would all know what Autumn Nov 2022 #55
It Doesn't Really Matter SoCalDavidS Nov 2022 #6
💯 I agree. Trump, nor his spawn will ever be held accountable. MerryBlooms Nov 2022 #9
And you know this how? secondwind Nov 2022 #12
I Know As Much As Anybody SoCalDavidS Nov 2022 #15
Please explain how they can indict Trump for Mar a lago even though pnwmom Nov 2022 #17
What About 1/6/21? SoCalDavidS Nov 2022 #19
Managing just those 2 cases, in addition to any smaller related cases, will be a massive job -- pnwmom Nov 2022 #23
As I Said, I Gladly Await Being Proven Wrong SoCalDavidS Nov 2022 #24
l'll wear red slippers to drag queen story hour and read the wizard of oz rampartc Nov 2022 #31
Have to agree Meowmee Nov 2022 #34
Not exactly true Deminpenn Nov 2022 #49
This 10,000 % msfiddlestix Nov 2022 #64
Sadly, I agree with you. Jamastiene Nov 2022 #126
You don't see it happening? Okay, fine. ShazzieB Nov 2022 #129
Unless we have a Democratic President in 2024, trump will get pardoned JohnSJ Nov 2022 #36
This is completely true. Some don't understand what is going on. And God help us if we have Demsrule86 Nov 2022 #47
Yes, the stakes are damn high JohnSJ Nov 2022 #84
Yeah ok. I don't know what will happen but Garland thinks he can get a conviction, he will indict. Demsrule86 Nov 2022 #38
And neither is drawing conclusions from what REPUBLICAN appointed prosecutors have done. brooklynite Nov 2022 #7
I have a long memory. Until the R criminals go down, I will expect nothing good to happen. NewHendoLib Nov 2022 #8
I assume you are talking about Bush...and I never understood what we would charge him with? Demsrule86 Nov 2022 #39
Yup. There's no Justice, no rule of law even when it's not Barr and Trump at the helm. herding cats Nov 2022 #13
Good Lord! tavernier Nov 2022 #53
You're consistent if nothing else. nt Phoenix61 Nov 2022 #14
The Only Thing Consistent Is The Lack Of Accountability In This Country SoCalDavidS Nov 2022 #22
I say he WILL be held accountable RussBLib Nov 2022 #25
Lots Of People Do Get Held Accountable SoCalDavidS Nov 2022 #27
Why bother? Do you think it will fix the damage that such postings cause? Demsrule86 Nov 2022 #45
Oh please. He has been held accountable he lost the 2020 election. Demsrule86 Nov 2022 #40
Two of a kind. nt Phoenix61 Nov 2022 #71
Idolatry is never a good idea, but there are major differences between the two men, pnwmom Nov 2022 #16
I always loved Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. tavernier Nov 2022 #54
Yeah you do that while Cha Nov 2022 #20
You got that right. There's always one... Love ya Cha. fleabiscuit Nov 2022 #26
At least.. Mahalo, flea.. Cha Nov 2022 #30
Thank you for this! ShazzieB Nov 2022 #130
Mahalo.. Really Well Said, ShazzieB! Cha Nov 2022 #131
It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas. CentralMass Nov 2022 #28
It is beginning to look a great deal like people who should be supporting Democrats that somehow Demsrule86 Nov 2022 #41
+1 betsuni Nov 2022 #48
Thank you. Demsrule86 Nov 2022 #110
Don't need law degrees after experiencing/winessing previous Special Counsel Investigations msfiddlestix Nov 2022 #93
Your OP would have been more effective if you didn't type LuckyCharms Nov 2022 #29
It was an insult LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #122
Not assuming Jack Smith isn't going to do anything isn't idolizing/blind drooling/fanboying. betsuni Nov 2022 #32
At those of us who support the Biden administration of course. Biden's numbers are up you know. Demsrule86 Nov 2022 #43
Yes. betsuni Nov 2022 #46
Indeed inthewind21 Nov 2022 #87
DOJ officially tells appeals court that Jack Smith approves all of the arguments presented LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #33
........... JohnSJ Nov 2022 #35
Neither is constantly attacking the Biden government of which Merrick Garland is the AG and has Demsrule86 Nov 2022 #42
+1 betsuni Nov 2022 #44
Smith was the US Atty in TN who brought charges Deminpenn Nov 2022 #51
People like the idea that someone is coming to save them and make sense of everything, that's all. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2022 #57
Looks like taunting from here. Kingofalldems Nov 2022 #59
Agree. No need to set ourselves up for disappointment Hortensis Nov 2022 #66
✔️ Agree msfiddlestix Nov 2022 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Nov 2022 #69
That poster is right Dorian Gray Nov 2022 #73
the posters made a broad based swipe at DUers bigtree Nov 2022 #76
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2022 #79
I don't see it as a direct insult on DUers Dorian Gray Nov 2022 #80
The OP is not right, the insults to members here is uncalled for. nt MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2022 #77
Can you help me Dorian Gray Nov 2022 #83
Seriously? MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2022 #85
I think it's making people feel defensive Dorian Gray Nov 2022 #90
Ok. MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2022 #91
Nothing about supporting Jack Smith is idolizing.Support for Jack Smith is totally about Rule of Law ancianita Nov 2022 #86
The hero worship isn't coming from everyone BannonsLiver Nov 2022 #92
I've seen it called a 'pipe bomb'... Ohio Joe Nov 2022 #94
Exactly what it is. Kingofalldems Nov 2022 #96
Nope. that's not right, KOAD. WarGamer Nov 2022 #98
Sure--and with big pictures and things. Kingofalldems Nov 2022 #100
+1 betsuni Nov 2022 #107
Not a hit and run post... I've responded several times. WarGamer Nov 2022 #99
"I've responded several times" Yes, to it being noted this is a hit and run... Ohio Joe Nov 2022 #102
Yeah, but,,,,,,, lark Nov 2022 #95
Approving of the appointment does not equal idolizing. IMO Pathwalker Nov 2022 #97
Who here remembers Fitzmas,the joy & anticipation of how that was going to turn out? elocs Nov 2022 #101
Guess I'll carry on with my "idolizing" Chakaconcarne Nov 2022 #103
" Right Wing trying to discredit Jack Smith" emulatorloo Nov 2022 #104
+1 betsuni Nov 2022 #106
What are his politics? Polybius Nov 2022 #108
Goes after war criminals and corrupt public officials emulatorloo Nov 2022 #111
Special Counsel Jack Smith is moving at light speed LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #109
TY for the Reality of Jack Smith instead Cha Nov 2022 #112
at LIGHT SPEED? WarGamer Nov 2022 #113
Special Counsel Jack Smith/DOJ seek interview with Mike Pence about Trump's insurrection crimes LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #114
I think you missed the whole point of this thread. WarGamer Nov 2022 #115
I understood the point you attempted to make, but I strongly disagreed with it LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #116
Again you misunderstand and misrepresent this thread. WarGamer Nov 2022 #117
Again, the premise of this thread is wrong and your attempt at humor failed LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #118
lol... have a good night... WarGamer Nov 2022 #119
I am glad that you deleted the second sentence in your OP LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #123
+1 betsuni Nov 2022 #124
Even though a DU JURY found my comments A-OK... WarGamer Nov 2022 #125
This thread was intended to insult other posters and tried to be funny LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #133
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Nov 2022 #134
I agree Catherine Vincent Nov 2022 #121
Jack Smith is working on Thanksgiving, writing letters to the 11th circuit pointing out Donald's lie LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #132
Deleting this OP because it's simply being spammed with misinformation. WarGamer Nov 2022 #135

Ocelot II

(130,516 posts)
1. Smith won't have a Bill Barr to kneecap him and bury his work.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:16 AM
Nov 2022

elleng

(141,926 posts)
10. THANK YOU.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:39 AM
Nov 2022

oldtime dfl_er

(7,176 posts)
18. And a weasel named Rod Rosenstein
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 01:51 AM
Nov 2022

to force the narrowest of paths and whatever other dirty crap he did behind the scenes in the name of "landing the plane".

Cha

(319,063 posts)
21. I'd think those comparing Jack
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 01:56 AM
Nov 2022

Smith and Mueller would pause to think about that.

I'd be wrong.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,822 posts)
120. This thread was a sad attempt at humor that was based on very flawed assumptions
Wed Nov 23, 2022, 11:29 PM
Nov 2022
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
50. Oh yeah?
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:57 AM
Nov 2022

And you expect Smith to wrap up well before the next administration because….

Ocelot II

(130,516 posts)
74. Hey, I don't know what's going to happen any more than the rest of you.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:47 AM
Nov 2022

I'm just taking note of the fact that this guy won't be operating under the shadow of an AG and an administration that will do its best to hinder his work. What happens next is anyone's guess. I'm just going to sit back and watch because that's all I can do.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
78. +100
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:50 AM
Nov 2022

emulatorloo

(46,155 posts)
105. +++
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:22 PM
Nov 2022

ShazzieB

(22,582 posts)
128. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Thu Nov 24, 2022, 07:53 PM
Nov 2022

These are my exact same thoughts. Nice to to know I'm not alone!

ShazzieB

(22,582 posts)
127. This, exactly!
Thu Nov 24, 2022, 07:50 PM
Nov 2022

This is NOT the same movie. It's a completely different one, snd wr don't know how it's going to turn out yet.

samsingh

(18,426 posts)
2. i remember mueller's bullshit too well. So many people kept saying
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:16 AM
Nov 2022

relax, mueller's got this.

mueller will stop trump.

mueller was a con artist and betrayed his oath.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
11. It wasn't Mueller's bullshit. It's the Superman cloak many...
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:41 AM
Nov 2022

imagined him to have. His team did yeoman work but bully Barr sabotaged it with his highly misleading and untrue summary and the blacking out and failure to release the full, unredacted document.

It still hasn't been released so don't blame Mueller and his team. Blame toady Barr and the orange, megalomaniacal
asshole he fronted for.

Autumn

(48,961 posts)
56. Nothing is stopping Garland from releasing it.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 09:50 AM
Nov 2022
 

brush

(61,033 posts)
58. Ok, but what does that have to do with poster I responded to...
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 09:56 AM
Nov 2022

blaming Muellers?

Autumn

(48,961 posts)
60. A lot to do with it. You said "It still hasn't been released so don't blame Mueller and his team."
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:06 AM
Nov 2022

Mueller and his team are no longer in charge. "Blame toady Barr and the orange, megalomaniacal
asshole he fronted for." They aren't in charge either.





 

brush

(61,033 posts)
61. The poster said it was Mueller's bullshit. As if Mueller...
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:12 AM
Nov 2022

and his team did a poor job. My post was to disavow that notion, not to quibble over it's release. But you can do that all you want.

Autumn

(48,961 posts)
62. I didn't reply to the poster, I replied to you and what you said. I guess you can skip
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:15 AM
Nov 2022

any reply if you don't have one.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
63. You're confused. Read the post I responded to.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:17 AM
Nov 2022

Autumn

(48,961 posts)
65. Not confused at all. I commented on your post. I replied to what you said.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:28 AM
Nov 2022
It still hasn't been released so don't blame Mueller and his team. Blame toady Barr and the orange, megalomaniacal
asshole he fronted for.



Barr didn't release it. Barr is gone ( except for being all over the talk shows) and Mueller's report still hasn't been released. I blamed them when they were in office for hiding it but there is no reason to blame them now. The report is still buried.

Here it is, still hidden. I find that odd. Justice delayed is justice denied. That investigation is long over. We deserve to know what happened. Half the country still believes that Russia had nothing to do with Trumps election.
 

brush

(61,033 posts)
67. Quibble all you want about it's release. My post was...
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:34 AM
Nov 2022

to disavow that Mueller and his team produced bullshit.

Autumn

(48,961 posts)
70. Dance around it all you want. The Mueller report still hasn't been released.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:39 AM
Nov 2022
 

brush

(61,033 posts)
72. Obviously. But that was not my reason for responding...
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:42 AM
Nov 2022

to the post I responded too. Is that that hard to understand?

Autumn

(48,961 posts)
75. Is it hard to understand that I responded to you and what you said, not another poster?
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:48 AM
Nov 2022
It still hasn't been released so don't blame Mueller and his team. Blame toady Barr and the orange, megalomaniacal
asshole he fronted for.


That is what I responded to. Barr and FFF are gone. It still has not been released.
 

brush

(61,033 posts)
82. That's your issue. Carry on with it. I'm done.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:53 AM
Nov 2022

Autumn

(48,961 posts)
88. Not an issue at all. It's a response to your post but by all means you carry on also
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 11:02 AM
Nov 2022

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
37. Muller investigated but Barr and Rosenstein were never going to let the report see the light of
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:06 AM
Nov 2022

day...different story now. I fail to see how folks don't see that. Now, I don't know if Trump will be indicted for the insurrection... I don't if the evidence is sufficient. I have not seen it all. But I do think he will be indicted for the classified documents and possibly in Georgia. Time will tell.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
52. Oh really?
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 08:00 AM
Nov 2022

Can you link me to the unredacted Mueller report?

Ah, I guess nobody in the Biden administration has gotten around to that yet.
 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
81. Request a copy
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:53 AM
Nov 2022

from Mar A Lago

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
89. Bazinga!
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 11:02 AM
Nov 2022

You have a point there.

Lettuce Be

(2,355 posts)
3. Mueller did his job. It was the Attorney General that decided there was nothing to see
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:17 AM
Nov 2022

Had we not had a corrupt AG, there would have been a different outcome.

UTUSN

(77,795 posts)
4. Nah.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:19 AM
Nov 2022

czarjak

(13,639 posts)
5. Mueller's Truth got whacked by Whackos. Rigged, remember? Any means necessary too.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:21 AM
Nov 2022

Autumn

(48,961 posts)
55. Garland is not a whacko. He could release the completer report and we would all know what
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 09:48 AM
Nov 2022

Russia did or did not do. Odd that he hasn't. Or not.

 

SoCalDavidS

(10,599 posts)
6. It Doesn't Really Matter
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:21 AM
Nov 2022

Regardless, AG Garland isn't going to indict TFG.

MerryBlooms

(12,248 posts)
9. 💯 I agree. Trump, nor his spawn will ever be held accountable.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:38 AM
Nov 2022

We get glimmers of hope, but never anything of substance. We're investigating! Grand juries! For years!

I am almost 60. I can take myself out by sleeping wrong quicker than any criminal case we'll see on tru.p. God forbid I sneeze wrong! Lord help me.

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
12. And you know this how?
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:49 AM
Nov 2022

 

SoCalDavidS

(10,599 posts)
15. I Know As Much As Anybody
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 01:08 AM
Nov 2022

He has NEVER been held accountable for anything he's done during his miserable life.

If AG Garland wanted to indict him, he has more than enough evidence to do so.

I was not surprised at all by the Special Counsel appointment. When I heard it being floated, I KNEW that was going to be his next course of action.

He has NEVER been held accountable his entire life.

America has a history of talking a good game, but in the end, it NEVER pursues criminal charges against those in politics who are powerful or prominent enough. Indicting an ex-President would be HUGE, and I don't see it happening.

I've seen this movie before, Charlie Brown never kicks the football, and I'll believe in accountability when I see it.

He has NEVER suffered any consequences his entire life.

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
17. Please explain how they can indict Trump for Mar a lago even though
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 01:13 AM
Nov 2022

the 11 circuit court hasn't yet ruled on the DOJ's appeal of the appointment of the Special Master -- which has tied up thousands of the documents needed for the case. Those documents provide the needed context for whatever Trump's assertions will be about the classified documents they've already obtained.

The only thing worse than having to wait for the prosecution would be to rush it and end up with Trump winning a not-guilty plea.

 

SoCalDavidS

(10,599 posts)
19. What About 1/6/21?
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 01:53 AM
Nov 2022

Almost 2 full years ago now. Still not enough for them to indict him?

And if all they're waiting for is the appeal of Special Master appointment, then why the need for a Special Counsel?

All this bullshit merely proves my point. All TFG has done his whole fucking life is DELAY, DELAY, DELAY. And guess what? It works.

He'll NEVER be indicted. I will throw a fucking party if it ever happens. Believe me, I'd LOVE to see it. But I do not expect it, and would be willing to wager money that it won't happen. Our "justice" system is a joke, for those who are special enough.

Thinking he'll be held accountable only makes me Fucking Angry when it doesn't happen, so I don't get my hopes up.

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
23. Managing just those 2 cases, in addition to any smaller related cases, will be a massive job --
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:04 AM
Nov 2022

and Garland ALSO has to manage a department with 150,000 employees.

Smith won't have any cases to focus on except Trump's.

 

SoCalDavidS

(10,599 posts)
24. As I Said, I Gladly Await Being Proven Wrong
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:06 AM
Nov 2022

But I've lived long enough in America to not hold my breath. I'm tired of being Charlie Brown.

rampartc

(5,835 posts)
31. l'll wear red slippers to drag queen story hour and read the wizard of oz
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:54 AM
Nov 2022

if trump is ever indicted. remember fitzmas?

my theory is that trump inherited roy cohn's polaroids and acquired epstein's video collection. added to pecker's national enquirer files trump has kompromat on anyone who could actually finish him.


Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
34. Have to agree
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 03:30 AM
Nov 2022

I also would be happy if it happens but I don’t see him ever being held truly accountable. No sign of indictments and that is only the first step. Ffs america you are allowing this fascist, murdering pos to run AGAIN for prez. What the hell is wrong with you? You have failed. And it has cost millions of americans their lives.

Deminpenn

(17,504 posts)
49. Not exactly true
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:52 AM
Nov 2022

He had to pay 25M in restitution to people who got duped by Trump University which was shut down.

Legal action also forced the Trump Foundation to close for self-dealing.

There's currently a civil trial going on in NYS that could result in the demise of the entire Trump Organization.

Manhattan DA has restarted the investigation into Trump's role in the Stormy Daniels hush money payments.

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
64. This 10,000 %
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:19 AM
Nov 2022

Jamastiene

(38,206 posts)
126. Sadly, I agree with you.
Thu Nov 24, 2022, 07:36 PM
Nov 2022

I don't think anyone is ever going to hold him accountable.

ShazzieB

(22,582 posts)
129. You don't see it happening? Okay, fine.
Thu Nov 24, 2022, 08:23 PM
Nov 2022

That's your opinion, which you're entitled to. Some of us have different opinions, which we also are entitled to. How about you do you, and we do us?

Seriously, having different opinions is fine with me. I'm not interested in arguing over who's right, because (no matter how sure some people are of the outcome), the fact is, we're talking about predicting the future here, which means we don't know yet.

I've never insisted that everything is going to turn out fine. I don't think Smith's wearing a Superman suit, and I didn't think Mueller was, either. All I'm saying is, "It's not over till it's over." That has always been my position, and it still is. I don't care if you or anyone else agrees with me.

I wish we could all just respect each other's opinions and quit trying to change each other's minds. If it does turn out the way you're expecting, you have my permission to post all over DU about how you were right and we were wrong. And if by some miracle, it turns out differently, hopefully we'll all be too busy celebrating to do anything else.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
36. Unless we have a Democratic President in 2024, trump will get pardoned
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 06:38 AM
Nov 2022

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
47. This is completely true. Some don't understand what is going on. And God help us if we have
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:39 AM
Nov 2022

a GOP president in 24. The only thing we should be doing is preparing to battle for the presidency in 24. If we can knock down Trump then we should. But I am focused on 24.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
84. Yes, the stakes are damn high
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:55 AM
Nov 2022

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
38. Yeah ok. I don't know what will happen but Garland thinks he can get a conviction, he will indict.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:08 AM
Nov 2022

I heard all the negativity before the election...people just knew it was a red wave, why look at the polls. It wasn't true and I suspect what you say is untrue also...or at least unknown.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
7. And neither is drawing conclusions from what REPUBLICAN appointed prosecutors have done.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:28 AM
Nov 2022

NewHendoLib

(61,857 posts)
8. I have a long memory. Until the R criminals go down, I will expect nothing good to happen.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:38 AM
Nov 2022

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
39. I assume you are talking about Bush...and I never understood what we would charge him with?
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:24 AM
Nov 2022

Trump is a different story, I think he may very well be charged. I have to tell you though I don't if we will find a jury that will convict him...all it takes is one Trumper. I am pleased to have Trump out of office and on the run with various cases against him. I believe that Trump is suffering mightily from losing the White House and that makes me smile. I also believe if we charge Trump, it will be like impeachment...I assume now every future president will be impeached.

herding cats

(20,049 posts)
13. Yup. There's no Justice, no rule of law even when it's not Barr and Trump at the helm.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:51 AM
Nov 2022

It's all the same, nothing will ever change or be better.

Through me you pass into the city of woe:
Through me you pass into eternal pain:
Through me among the people lost for aye.

Justice the founder of my fabric mov'd:
To rear me was the task of power divine,
Supremest wisdom, and primeval love.

Before me things create were none, save things
Eternal, and eternal I endure.
All hope abandon ye who enter here.


I'm not yet ready to give in to the gnashing of our teeth, putting on sackcloth and covering ourselves in ashes, phase just yet.

tavernier

(14,443 posts)
53. Good Lord!
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 08:00 AM
Nov 2022

I think I need an extra large glass of fresh squeezed sunny OJ this morning after reading that… maybe with a dollop of vodka.

Phoenix61

(18,828 posts)
14. You're consistent if nothing else. nt
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:57 AM
Nov 2022
 

SoCalDavidS

(10,599 posts)
22. The Only Thing Consistent Is The Lack Of Accountability In This Country
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 01:57 AM
Nov 2022

Don't criticize someone for pointing out that fact.

I say TFG will NEVER be held accountable. I'll be the first one to admit I was wrong IF he ever is. But I ain't holding my breath.

RussBLib

(10,635 posts)
25. I say he WILL be held accountable
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:08 AM
Nov 2022

Lots of people get held accountable for their actions.

Wah wah wah!

Sometimes justice is slow. Sometimes fast.

 

SoCalDavidS

(10,599 posts)
27. Lots Of People Do Get Held Accountable
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:15 AM
Nov 2022

But TFG and all of those around him, won't be.

I have posted that he won't be so many times, that I'll gladly come back and post multiple times if proven wrong.

I expect the same from those who have insisted, argued, and said just as many times that he Will be.

I saw so many, some quite prominent DU posters, who in April 2021, said Matt Gaetz would be indicted. Now that it's been stated that he won't be, Crickets from those same posters.

Admitting being wrong is not easy, but I will be more than glad to do so if there is even the slightest bit of accountability.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
45. Why bother? Do you think it will fix the damage that such postings cause?
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:36 AM
Nov 2022

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
40. Oh please. He has been held accountable he lost the 2020 election.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:28 AM
Nov 2022

Phoenix61

(18,828 posts)
71. Two of a kind. nt
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:40 AM
Nov 2022

pnwmom

(110,260 posts)
16. Idolatry is never a good idea, but there are major differences between the two men,
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 01:09 AM
Nov 2022

Last edited Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:06 AM - Edit history (1)

besides the fact that Smith won't have to work under a hostile Attorney General and President.

Smith doesn't have to start an investigation from square 1. He has already signed an important filing with the 11th circuit court about tomorrow's hearing, asserting that he's read all the case filings and agrees with them. This means Smith won't be the cause of any delay in the Mar a lago case.

Smith has recent prosecutorial experience, unlike Mueller. He even has experience in successfully prosecuting a stolen-government-documents case.

Smith hasn't come out of retirement to take the position, or just left a cushy private sector job. He's twenty years younger than Mueller and has energy to spare. (He gets up every morning before his family in order to get laps in.)

Both Garland and Smith have already made statements asserting that Smith's coming on board won't slow anything down -- and Laurence Tribe's opinion, which is worth heeding, is that it will speed things up. Smith won't have to divide his focus between managing the Trump-related cases and the rest of a department of 150,000 employees. He'll be laser focused on the Trump cases.

tavernier

(14,443 posts)
54. I always loved Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 08:06 AM
Nov 2022

This one sounds like it too has promise.

Cha

(319,063 posts)
20. Yeah you do that while
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 01:53 AM
Nov 2022

you're insulting those who don't think like you do.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
26. You got that right. There's always one... Love ya Cha.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:14 AM
Nov 2022

Cha

(319,063 posts)
30. At least.. Mahalo, flea..
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:28 AM
Nov 2022

Love ya back 💙

ShazzieB

(22,582 posts)
130. Thank you for this!
Thu Nov 24, 2022, 09:28 PM
Nov 2022

You just put into words something that has been bugging me, and that is this: an awful lot of these posts about how there is absolutely no possibility that Trump will ever be held accountable for anything whatsoever (etc.) have an insulting undertone, and that's unnecessary.

I understand why some people are pessimistic. I really do. But like I said in another comment, we're talking about predicting the future here. Even though some may believe certain things are a foregone conclusion, no one actually knows yet, so we're really just talking about our personal opinions. Those who feel there is no hope have a right to their opinion, and those of us who don't share the certainty that ALL hope should be abandoned ALSO have a right to our opinion.

I really wish we could show a little more respect for each other's opinions and *gasp* agree to disagree, instead of trying to convince each other who's "right" and who's "wrong."

Personally, I don't really care about convincing anyone who's "right" or "wrong." All I want is to be able to watch how this thing plays out without being subjected to any lectures about how "obvious" someone else thinks it is that I'm:"wrong." I honestly don't think that's an unreasonable ask.

Cha

(319,063 posts)
131. Mahalo.. Really Well Said, ShazzieB!
Thu Nov 24, 2022, 11:20 PM
Nov 2022

Yes, anyone is welcome to their pessimism but don't Insult those who don't share their view by accusing them of Idolizing Jack Smith.

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, either.. and I usually Ignore those kinds of posts... but "idle"? Colme On!

FWIW... I don't have any "Idles".. Lots of Heros, though, Fighting on the Front Lines to Save our Democracy...

Who knows.. Jack Smith could be one of them? He sounds like he could be.

CentralMass

(16,971 posts)
28. It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:17 AM
Nov 2022

Last edited Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:19 AM - Edit history (1)

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
41. It is beginning to look a great deal like people who should be supporting Democrats that somehow
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:30 AM
Nov 2022

think they are legal experts. I had no idea so many had gone to law school.

betsuni

(29,074 posts)
48. +1
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:46 AM
Nov 2022

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
110. Thank you.
Wed Nov 23, 2022, 05:03 PM
Nov 2022

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
93. Don't need law degrees after experiencing/winessing previous Special Counsel Investigations
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 11:39 AM
Nov 2022

over a span of close to two decades.

We've all seen the same screenplay before...

Soon to be released on Netflix and/or Prime!! Check your listings, maybe even HULU..

oh but wait, it'll be on cable news eventually, like probably just before the 2024 elections...

who needs a law degree when we can watch it all on tv?

LuckyCharms

(22,645 posts)
29. Your OP would have been more effective if you didn't type
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:21 AM
Nov 2022

your second sentence.

It reads as an insult.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,822 posts)
122. It was an insult
Thu Nov 24, 2022, 04:12 AM
Nov 2022

The OP was called out on this and deleted that sentence

betsuni

(29,074 posts)
32. Not assuming Jack Smith isn't going to do anything isn't idolizing/blind drooling/fanboying.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 03:00 AM
Nov 2022

Last edited Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:24 AM - Edit history (1)

Who is this directed at?

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
43. At those of us who support the Biden administration of course. Biden's numbers are up you know.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:34 AM
Nov 2022

We can't have that.

betsuni

(29,074 posts)
46. Yes.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:36 AM
Nov 2022

Being "Rah rah cheerleaders" was a popular insult for those of us who supported Democrats in 2016.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
87. Indeed
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 11:00 AM
Nov 2022

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,822 posts)
33. DOJ officially tells appeals court that Jack Smith approves all of the arguments presented
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 03:17 AM
Nov 2022

The oral arguments for the DOJ appeal of Judge Loose Cannon's special master ruling. TFG's attorneys filed TFG's response on Monday of last week and the DOJ reply brief was due on Thursday. On Wednesday of last week, the 11th Circuit scheduled oral arguments for today, Nov. 22.

Jack Smith has read all of the pleadings and has approved the oral arguments.


 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
35. ...........
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 06:32 AM
Nov 2022


Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
42. Neither is constantly attacking the Biden government of which Merrick Garland is the AG and has
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:33 AM
Nov 2022

now appointed a special prosecutor. It is disappointing to see such OP's...ah well trash, trash, and trash.

betsuni

(29,074 posts)
44. +1
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:35 AM
Nov 2022

Deminpenn

(17,504 posts)
51. Smith was the US Atty in TN who brought charges
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:58 AM
Nov 2022

against John Edwards. Shows he's willing to prosecute politicians.

His most recent job investigating and prosecuting war crimes is a good indicator to me that Smith has, at the very least, an aggressive mindset.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,953 posts)
57. People like the idea that someone is coming to save them and make sense of everything, that's all.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 09:51 AM
Nov 2022

Kingofalldems

(40,276 posts)
59. Looks like taunting from here.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 09:56 AM
Nov 2022

Why the oversized pics?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
66. Agree. No need to set ourselves up for disappointment
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:31 AM
Nov 2022

when an initial uber-enthusiasm (especially that developed within groups) isn't kept pumped up in succeeding days.

Lawrence Tribe played to it in calling Smith "faster than a speeding bullet." We're told Smith's very good, but not Superman.

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
68. ✔️ Agree
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:37 AM
Nov 2022


I feel like I spent and wasted every single day following every Russia Gate investigation story carried on MSNBC and posted here,during his entire term in office, impeachment hearings etc, waiting for the "Independent Counsel's" Mueller Report to lay it all outthere followed with prosecutions

Then the moment when the DOJ reporter on MSNBC (forgetting his last name, starts with a D) reported on one of the afternoon/evening shows that an unamed source familiar with the DOJ informed him, that the Justice Dep. isn't going to go with any charges etc. I didn't want to believe it then, I couldn't accept at the time tha could possibly be true.

Except it was true as we all are painfully aware.

I feel like we're re-playing the same tape. Re-experiencing the same movie, with different actors, playing the same characters.

Except for this time, I'm not falling for it.








Response to WarGamer (Original post)

Dorian Gray

(13,850 posts)
73. That poster is right
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:46 AM
Nov 2022

we shouldn't make idols out of any of these investigators. They are supposed to be finding the truth. That's a valiant thing, but they aren't our saviors and we don't need to elevate them to mythological status. That only hurts us and the rule of law.

bigtree

(94,261 posts)
76. the posters made a broad based swipe at DUers
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:49 AM
Nov 2022

...they should delete this.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,060 posts)
79. +100. nt
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:51 AM
Nov 2022

Dorian Gray

(13,850 posts)
80. I don't see it as a direct insult on DUers
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:52 AM
Nov 2022

Admittedly I haven't looked in every jack smith thread, but I've seen a lot of cautious optimism AND a lot of negative feedback about the appointment of the special counsel. Not fanaticism.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,060 posts)
77. The OP is not right, the insults to members here is uncalled for. nt
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:50 AM
Nov 2022

Dorian Gray

(13,850 posts)
83. Can you help me
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:54 AM
Nov 2022

bc I don't see the insult to people here.

I see an overall general comment about idolizing the SC. Nothing specific to DU.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,060 posts)
85. Seriously?
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:55 AM
Nov 2022

You don't see this sentence as an insult to members here?

Blind drooling and fanboying (girling) isn't healthy.

Dorian Gray

(13,850 posts)
90. I think it's making people feel defensive
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 11:26 AM
Nov 2022

but honestly, I've seen little "drooling" or "fanboying" here about him that I don't know WHY people feel defensive.

MarineCombatEngineer

(18,060 posts)
91. Ok.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 11:27 AM
Nov 2022

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
86. Nothing about supporting Jack Smith is idolizing.Support for Jack Smith is totally about Rule of Law
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 10:57 AM
Nov 2022

Your interpretation of DU'ers here is duly noted, however.

BannonsLiver

(20,589 posts)
92. The hero worship isn't coming from everyone
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 11:33 AM
Nov 2022

But we have some posters who are in deep on “Jack” already and I’m sure they will have plenty of company here soon if current trends hold. DU loves a hero, or even someone who has the appearance of one.

Ohio Joe

(21,898 posts)
94. I've seen it called a 'pipe bomb'...
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 11:59 AM
Nov 2022

Or more commonly, a hit and run. It's when you drop something inflammatory and then stand back to watch the resulting chaos it causes.

Not cool.

Kingofalldems

(40,276 posts)
96. Exactly what it is.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:37 PM
Nov 2022

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
98. Nope. that's not right, KOAD.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 01:27 PM
Nov 2022

I just want to clarify. It's 100% OK to support the guy and HOPE he indicts TFG and Justice is served.

Hell, I HOPE he takes down TFG in epic fashion.

But building him up to be superhuman (like was done with Mueller... will only lead to disappointment.)

Just look at the examples I've posted of Mueller and guess what, I'm already seeing similar stuff about Smith on social media.

How many people thought that Mueller was going to put TFG into an orange jumpsuit because they'd seen 100 memes on Twitter?

Kingofalldems

(40,276 posts)
100. Sure--and with big pictures and things.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 01:33 PM
Nov 2022

betsuni

(29,074 posts)
107. +1
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:54 PM
Nov 2022

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
99. Not a hit and run post... I've responded several times.
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 01:29 PM
Nov 2022

And to clarify...

I'm simply referring to the act of building Smith up into something he's not... like was done with Mueller. Do you know how many nationally syndicated cartoonists drew Mueller with a Superman costume?

It's unfair to everyone including Smith.

Let the man do his job and HOPE he is successful.

Ohio Joe

(21,898 posts)
102. "I've responded several times" Yes, to it being noted this is a hit and run...
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 01:37 PM
Nov 2022

And not a one to those unhappy you called out DU'ers. I mean... You do realize names are attached to posts?

It is nice you edited out your insults from the OP though.

lark

(26,080 posts)
95. Yeah, but,,,,,,,
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:13 PM
Nov 2022

Mueller was an actual Repug and just did what his fellow Repug boss told him to to the detriment of justice and this country's integrity. Jack Smith isn't a Repug and doesn't have a repug boss and the same bullshit will absolutely not happen.

Now, if Jack Smith is a secret fascist, he's hid it well and no one knows so hoping it's just not true and he will be all over tfg and secure a conviction.

Pathwalker

(6,603 posts)
97. Approving of the appointment does not equal idolizing. IMO
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 12:46 PM
Nov 2022

there is not a single man on earth worth idolizing. No one alive is perfect, and this thread is insulting - you clearly have a low opinion of some DUers.

 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
101. Who here remembers Fitzmas,the joy & anticipation of how that was going to turn out?
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 01:34 PM
Nov 2022

Curb your enthusiasm because those who laugh and gloat last, laugh and gloat best.

Chakaconcarne

(2,787 posts)
103. Guess I'll carry on with my "idolizing"
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 03:55 PM
Nov 2022

BTW, did you read the full Mueller report?

emulatorloo

(46,155 posts)
104. " Right Wing trying to discredit Jack Smith"
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:17 PM
Nov 2022

betsuni

(29,074 posts)
106. +1
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 07:32 PM
Nov 2022

Polybius

(21,900 posts)
108. What are his politics?
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 09:17 PM
Nov 2022

Who did he vote for in the last 4 presidential elections? That's all I care about.

emulatorloo

(46,155 posts)
111. Goes after war criminals and corrupt public officials
Wed Nov 23, 2022, 05:43 PM
Nov 2022

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,822 posts)
109. Special Counsel Jack Smith is moving at light speed
Wed Nov 23, 2022, 04:24 PM
Nov 2022

Cha

(319,063 posts)
112. TY for the Reality of Jack Smith instead
Wed Nov 23, 2022, 06:02 PM
Nov 2022

of the Endless Speculative comparisons to Mueller.

Which is Obviously not even in the same league.

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
113. at LIGHT SPEED?
Wed Nov 23, 2022, 09:49 PM
Nov 2022




LetMyPeopleVote

(179,822 posts)
114. Special Counsel Jack Smith/DOJ seek interview with Mike Pence about Trump's insurrection crimes
Wed Nov 23, 2022, 09:53 PM
Nov 2022

This is light speed for the legal world. Heck, I was in one case for six years from filing of petition until settlement of the case
By legal standards, this is light speed



WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
115. I think you missed the whole point of this thread.
Wed Nov 23, 2022, 09:55 PM
Nov 2022

Some people in the media, including social media... are turning Smith into a super hero. Just like they did with Mueller a few years ago.

It looks silly and frankly, childish.

Bottom line. Smith is a hard nosed professional. Let him do his job and may we all HOPE that he extracts JUSTICE out of the situation.

But let's leave the cape and super powers out of it, ok?

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,822 posts)
116. I understood the point you attempted to make, but I strongly disagreed with it
Wed Nov 23, 2022, 10:13 PM
Nov 2022

You seem to not understand the major difference between this special counsel and the Mueller special counsel. There are some major differences that will make the two special counsel proceedings entirely different. TFG could order the AG to fire Mueller any time. TFG used pardons to interfere with the investigation. Barr actively curtailed the Mueller investigation in a number of respects.




Again, I strongly disagree with the premise of this thread. Special Counsel Jack Smith is already moving very fast on a host of issues including the Mar-a-Lago document case and the Jan. 6 investigation. By the standards of the legal world, this special counsel is going to very different from the Mueller investigation

I am also hoping that this investigation is successful.

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
117. Again you misunderstand and misrepresent this thread.
Wed Nov 23, 2022, 10:26 PM
Nov 2022

I'll make it real short.

Don't turn a PERSON into a super hero.

It looks silly and leads to disappointed people.

He's a MAN. Hope he's the MAN to take down TFG.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,822 posts)
118. Again, the premise of this thread is wrong and your attempt at humor failed
Wed Nov 23, 2022, 10:36 PM
Nov 2022

This thread attempted to insult posters who were encouraged by the appointment of Special Counsel Jack Smith by making a silly and uninformed comparison to the Mueller investigation. Your attempts at humor failed because the two special counsel investigations/efforts are very different. Ignoring the major differences between the appointment of Special Counsel Jack Smith and the Mueller investigation hurt your attempt at humor.

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
119. lol... have a good night...
Wed Nov 23, 2022, 10:54 PM
Nov 2022

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,822 posts)
123. I am glad that you deleted the second sentence in your OP
Thu Nov 24, 2022, 04:14 AM
Nov 2022

That insult was really sad

betsuni

(29,074 posts)
124. +1
Thu Nov 24, 2022, 04:51 AM
Nov 2022

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
125. Even though a DU JURY found my comments A-OK...
Thu Nov 24, 2022, 07:28 PM
Nov 2022

I deleted them for the sake of our more sensitive members. Never my intention to ruffle feathers.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,822 posts)
133. This thread was intended to insult other posters and tried to be funny
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 12:47 AM
Nov 2022

Your attempt at humor failed. In the real world, there are so many differences between the Mueller matter and this special counsel that this thread and your attempts at humor are sad. Here is a decent explanation of the differences that is designed for laypersons













Again your attempt at humor failed

Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Reply #133)

Catherine Vincent

(34,610 posts)
121. I agree
Thu Nov 24, 2022, 12:01 AM
Nov 2022

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,822 posts)
132. Jack Smith is working on Thanksgiving, writing letters to the 11th circuit pointing out Donald's lie
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 12:20 AM
Nov 2022

Last edited Fri Nov 25, 2022, 12:53 AM - Edit history (1)

Getting rid of the Special Master case will be a big help in advancing the case against TFG. Special Counsel Jack Smith is working hard




WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
135. Deleting this OP because it's simply being spammed with misinformation.
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 01:07 AM
Nov 2022

This OP was always and ONLY about superhero/meme status being applied to Mueller and my observations that some on social media were starting to apply the same sorts of memes, cartoons and "hype" re: Smith.

I'm not even talking about Mueller OR Smith...

I'm talking about the "hero worship" being generated online in social media like Twitter.

It's childish and gives people (possibly) false hope.

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