Eric Idle Is Tired Of Comedy Giants Like Dave Chappelle Crying "Censorship"

[DonCoquixote]

https://www.cracked.com/article_36073_eric-idle-is-tired-of-comedy-giants-like-dave-chappelle-crying-censorship.html


choice cut from article, but read the whole thing, as it worth it, especially as the right wing trots John Cleese out.

On the topic of censorship, Swisher naturally asked Idle if he had any thoughts on Dave Chappelle’s constant claims that he is being silenced while getting paid $24 million per special to complain about how canceled he is. Said Idle, “Where does he say it? On SNL … Well, you’re not being that much canceled, are you? If you were in your room complaining, I’d have a lot more sympathy.”

[AZSkiffyGeek]

2. It's not about "political correctness"

Chappelle is a transphobe and anti-Semite.

[reymega life]

3. wait till you hear Richard pryor or Lenny bruce you will cry like a baby

[AZSkiffyGeek]

5. Well aren't you the little Edgelord.

Guess what, I've heard both of them and I didn't cry like a baby.
I don't recall either of them spending 15 minutes on National TV talking about how the Jews run Hollywood, but you better not say that. I know that certainly seems like the sort of thing that a Jew like Lenny Bruce would use in his material.

[Steven Maurer]

7. It doesn't help your argument when you lie...

Chapelle didn't spend "15 minutes on National TV talking about how the Jews run Hollywood".

There are interesting comments that have been made about his routine, both pro and con, but that is not one of them.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

8. Then you didn't pay attention

But keep defending the transphobic anti-semite.

[ShazzieB]

12. Just 'cause you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. 😉

I mean, I didn't see it either, but I wouldn't be so quick to accuse someone of lying just because they don't agree with me about something.

[Sympthsical]

15. It's seriously the opposite of what Chappelle said

The exact opposite. He talks about Kanye and then says (paraphrasing), "There are a ton of Black people in Ferguson, MO, but they don't run the place."

His monologue was pretty interesting, because he was doing a bit of a high-wire act, and there was nuance in what he was saying.

So, basically not fit for social media consumption where simplistic characterizations reign.

I don't even agree with everything he said in that monologue, but people actually are either lying or spreading disinformation about what was said in it. He at no point said Jews run Hollywood, didn't intimate it, actually argued against it, and somehow people are spreading around that that was what his entire 15 minutes was about.

[happy feet]

19. This!

I watched the entire episode to decide for myself. And you’re correct. Doesn’t take a genius just put in the time to listen and hear.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

22. Don't understand subtext either?

The whole basis of his routine wasn't the Kanye was wrong about Jews, it was that he shouldn't have said what he said out loud. And how it was easy to come to that conclusion, what with all the Jews in Hollywood.

[Steven Maurer]

25. It's not "subtext"; you are just inventing strawmen...

Just "hearing" what you want to through strained interpretations so distorted that they're completely unrecognizable.

Watch this Jon Stewart clip for an actual nuanced discussion:

[Demsrule86]

26. Chapels is anti-Semitic and shouldn't

Get a pass. I can’t stand him.

[Sympthsical]

13. That is literally the opposite of what Chapelle said

C'mon. At least describe his actual words. I get that people don't like him. That's fine. Not every comedian is everyone's cup of tea.

But he was very clear in what he was saying, and it was not "15 minutes of saying Jews run Hollywood." That is very much a "Tell me you never watched it without telling me."

People need to stop relying on the characterizations other people make as their information gathering point.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

16. Or maybe people need to listen to what was actually being said

He started out saying "Never use the following two words - 'The Jews'" and said that was Kanye's mistake - saying the quiet part out loud. Then talked about how many Jews were in Hollywood all the while saying, "I'm not saying they run it, but there sure are a lot of em out there."

[Sympthsical]

17. That's not bigoted

And you're already tracking back from your original assertion where you claimed he spent 15 minutes saying Jews run Hollywood.

I cannot stand dishonest characterization. It cheapens real bigotry when people want to wield it for their own petty dislikes. All it proves is conversation around subjects is impossible, because today's currency is cheap outrage easily had if we effect obtuseness well enough.

I'm not invested in this, so I'll leave it there. I just wasn't going to let that gross mischaracterization pass without comment.

[happy feet]

21. Thank-you

[Demsrule86]

27. Yes it is. And he is not fooling anyone

He is also transphobic.

[Fiendish Thingy]

18. Chapelle has made transphobic comments before

But not on SNL.

His monologue on SNL was defended by many famous Jewish celebrities, including Jon Stewart.

I didn’t find it all that funny, more thought provoking, or just plain provocative.

I’m not a fan of his, but I didn’t find his SNL monologue offensive.

[reymega life]

4. that's an opinion

[zuul]

6. I guess it's no longer an opinion.

[whathehell]

11. ..and a misogynist?

[H2O Man]

9. I love Dave Chappelle.

[yowzayowzayowza]

10. Yep, drawing out absolutists on all sides. n/t

[nini]

14. For the most part I like Chapelle's comedy

I also like Richard Pryor and other comics who were rough around the edges too.


Someone like Richard Pryor would never make it today vs when he was performing. Times have changed and I understand the need of why they did and agree with it for the most part. But I’d probably still laugh at most of those old routines.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

23. I loved his show 20 years ago

And there were some absolutely brilliant skits during the show - Potato Hole was the funniest thing I've seen on the show in a while (definitely the funniest thing I've seen this season).
But that monologue was anti-Semitic.

[check077]

24. Enjoyed him 20 years ago and

...enjoy him now! I disagree with the assessment of his monologue being anti-Semitic.

[slightlv]

20. I'm so far out of this discussion...

I don't even like South Park! (LOL) I have a sense of humor, a pretty good one, if warped, my friends tell me. But most of what's on TV these days I really don't like at all. The last comic I'd actually make a point of turning the dial over to see was Sinbad. And I DO love me some Sinbad. I guess that just really dates me or makes a pollyanna or something.

[Jamastiene]

28. No one is silencing them.

They still have their free speech and can say whatever they want. Critics have free speech too and can point out when they are being bigoted. They just don't like the pushback. Nowhere does it say only one side can have free speech.

[Boomerproud]

29. Thank you.

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