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Coventina

(29,731 posts)
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 04:22 PM Nov 2022

'I miss eating': the truth behind the weight loss drug that makes food repulsive

***snip***

Ozempic has become so popular in the last two years because it makes people lose weight fast. It’s so controversial because of the way it works: by triggering a chemical repugnance to food itself. After being injected with Ozempic, a user could try to imagine a moist slab of black forest gateau, or a calorically-dense, half-pound Baconator bacon cheeseburger from Wendy’s, and their body physically revolts, with spasms of nausea and waves of ill feeling. It’s the chemical realization of a behavioral psychologist’s wildest dream; A Clockwork Orange for junk food, an eating disorder in an injection.

On TikTok, videos documenting Ozempic-assisted weight loss have racked up hundreds of millions of views. Elsewhere on the internet, speculation that Ozempic has catalyzed the drastic body transformations of celebrities runs wild. A number of musicians and actors told the Guardian that they personally knew high-profile people in their industries using Ozempic, although none would go on record. Ghiyam has joined in on the publicity push himself, with his own informational #OzempicWeightLoss TikToks reeling in hundreds of thousands of views.

***snip***

Ozempic is also advertised regularly on TV: the ubiquitous commercials feature various characters who, having stabilized their blood sugar levels, are living healthy, active lives. “Oh!” they exclaim, turning to the camera, barely containing their excitement, as the soundtrack – set to the earwormy melody of Magic, the breakout 1974 single by Scottish soft-rockers Pilot – crescendos. Oh! Oh! Oh! Ozeeeeempic!

But the ad mentions weight loss only as an afterthought. In the motormouth recitation of precautions and potential side effects that underscore pharmaceutical ads, the voiceover says off-handedly “You may lose weight!” to which a chipper character responds, “Oh!”

***snip***

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2022/nov/09/i-miss-eating-weight-loss-drug-ozempic-food-repulsive

Personally? I'd do it in a heartbeat. My excess weight is probably my biggest health risk.

ETA: I despise those commercials, though!!!! They get stuck in my head!!!!!

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'I miss eating': the truth behind the weight loss drug that makes food repulsive (Original Post) Coventina Nov 2022 OP
I'd take it. Elessar Zappa Nov 2022 #1
A 2-day fast breaks food cravings, then do an 18-6 or better daily fast with less than 50 carbs. TheBlackAdder Nov 2022 #51
Thanks! Elessar Zappa Nov 2022 #63
I wonder what happens when you go off of it? I went on doc03 Nov 2022 #2
So sad. Liver cancer took a lovely friend in sorta similar circumstances. Hortensis Nov 2022 #23
The weight return is true of all diets Genki Hikari Nov 2022 #48
I am 74 and have gone on many diets. I have found the best diet is exercise and consuming doc03 Nov 2022 #53
V true Genki Hikari Nov 2022 #68
Do you need a doctor's prescription since it is a diabetic drug? patricia92243 Nov 2022 #3
Yes. Although many doctors are prescribing it for the "off label" use of weight loss. n/t Coventina Nov 2022 #5
You need a prescription but you no longer need to be diabetic MaryMagdaline Nov 2022 #12
The FDA can approve all day Genki Hikari Nov 2022 #70
Not only do you need an MD prescription Genki Hikari Nov 2022 #69
My husband takes it. Not for weight loss. nolabear Nov 2022 #4
I just took the first dose last Sunday. I haven't seen any revulsion. rsdsharp Nov 2022 #17
This is where I am Genki Hikari Nov 2022 #49
Agreed. Also stay away from FB groups. nolabear Nov 2022 #59
I don't think I even have an FB account anymore Genki Hikari Nov 2022 #71
True dat. Though I hate it. You're like my husband. nolabear Nov 2022 #75
This is the only thing that works for me DVRacer Nov 2022 #6
That's amazing and congrats! So sorry you had to fight for a life-saving drug. Coventina Nov 2022 #7
Wonderful!! Glad you had great results MaryMagdaline Nov 2022 #10
Ozempic was a lifesaver for me MaryMagdaline Nov 2022 #8
Thanks for your information! n/t Coventina Nov 2022 #9
You're welcome! I really believe in this drug MaryMagdaline Nov 2022 #11
Forgot to mention that my blood pressure decreased and is now under control. MaryMagdaline Nov 2022 #13
+1, uponit7771 Nov 2022 #45
From the article, side effects that make me say: "Oh dear".... Hekate Nov 2022 #14
I loved Phen Fen. xmas74 Nov 2022 #54
People say "oh dear" about side effects Genki Hikari Nov 2022 #74
Two years ago, my doctor told me if I didn't lose weight, I would have type II diabetes. Dysfunctional Nov 2022 #15
Great achievement and much better than taking Ozempic! My best friend also lost 65 pounds naturally wishstar Nov 2022 #22
The problem with losing weight is besides losing fat, you also lose bone density and muscle. Dysfunctional Nov 2022 #36
+1, I only need to lose 30 lbs but I don't want it to be muscle. If I was my weight but 5% body uponit7771 Nov 2022 #47
5% body fat is too low. Dysfunctional Nov 2022 #55
I've started lifting for leg strength, do you feel like you have more balance with stronger legs?tia uponit7771 Nov 2022 #46
Yes, up to a point. Also doing leg and hip exercises can strengthen your bones. Dysfunctional Nov 2022 #60
Thx !! uponit7771 Nov 2022 #67
It's a drug for diabetics and diabetics are not being able woodsprite Nov 2022 #16
My pharmacy tech wife said exactly this NickB79 Nov 2022 #25
A lot of folks are insulin resistant and don't know it. Happy Hoosier Nov 2022 #56
Ozempic was not a good drug for me. davsand Nov 2022 #61
That was why I stopped taking Trulicity, woodsprite Nov 2022 #62
I need this nt hookaleft Nov 2022 #18
People will do any damn thing to not be fat. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2022 #19
Of course! It's the one thing that it's acceptable to shame people for. n/t Coventina Nov 2022 #20
Yep. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2022 #21
People in this thread seem to be doing it to not die of diabetes NickB79 Nov 2022 #26
Odds are they'll gain it back, with interest. Research is increasingly indicating that obesity is a WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2022 #27
And the cause is.....? NickB79 Nov 2022 #28
We don't know, even when blaming obesity. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2022 #29
This is not my experience at all with Ozempic. phylny Nov 2022 #24
I have taken Ozempic for my diabetes ironflange Nov 2022 #30
I would take it MurrayDelph Nov 2022 #31
I miss tasting food, but it doesn't make me nauseous. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2022 #32
For some people, they lose their taste for alcohol TexasBushwhacker Nov 2022 #33
at school i paired bitter chocolate with a pastry i would binge on. dembotoz Nov 2022 #34
Metformin Deep State Witch Nov 2022 #35
OK, so what is the word on Metformin? Anyone on it? Just prescribed for me as pre-diabetic. nt Samrob Nov 2022 #37
You'll be a walking whoopie cushion Zorro Nov 2022 #38
It is widely used with no side effect but some have stomach problems grantcart Nov 2022 #40
It is my understanding that Trulicity is a sister drug to Ozempic LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #44
I get my Trulicity free from Lilly. Their income guidelines to grantcart Nov 2022 #58
I have been on metformin for over 20 years LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #43
Some people it's more than "some" Genki Hikari Nov 2022 #73
I use it and Ozempic. phylny Nov 2022 #57
Sounds horrific. I lost 30 lbs. taking Moringa Leaf Powder capsules. Here's my story.. Joinfortmill Nov 2022 #39
Thank you for this information! MaryMagdaline Nov 2022 #52
there is no miracle weight loss drug Skittles Nov 2022 #41
I am about to start Trulicity which is a sister drug to Ozempic LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #42
I take Ozempic Genki Hikari Nov 2022 #50
Just wait for tirzepatide which is being fast tracked. joshcryer Nov 2022 #64
the magic bullet people have been looking for. littlewolf Nov 2022 #65
A friend of ours who is a nurse has used it but she said there are some serious side effects. honest.abe Nov 2022 #66
when will people understand there is no miracle weight loss drug Skittles Nov 2022 #72

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
51. A 2-day fast breaks food cravings, then do an 18-6 or better daily fast with less than 50 carbs.
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 08:30 AM
Nov 2022

.

You will literally not want to eat naturally after a couple of weeks.

The lack of simple and complex carbs reduces cravings, binges, insulin spikes, etc.


The 2-day fast is imperative to breaking the carb cycle that keeps spiking our desire to eat every few hours.
It's almost like prepping for a colonoscopy or the like, so it's doable. To jump start the 18-6 or 20-64 or OMAD (one meal a day) diet. Eat at dinner, sleep through the night, you're already 12 hours into your daily fast. Then, have coffee or breakfast and lunch to remove hunger pangs, and poof, you're at 2PM, which is the start of a 20-4 or 18-6 meal window.

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doc03

(39,086 posts)
2. I wonder what happens when you go off of it? I went on
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 04:32 PM
Nov 2022

a protein diet once. I lost weight for a couple weeks then hit a plateau. Then when I went off of it a few weeks later I gained it all back. A guy I worked with did the same and just kept losing weight even after quitting. He finally went to a doctor and found he had liver cancer. He was 340 when he started an 120 when he died three months later.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. So sad. Liver cancer took a lovely friend in sorta similar circumstances.
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 07:38 PM
Nov 2022

She and her husband, both aged but both slender and very physically active, decided they had put on some weight they wanted to lose. Like your coworker, she lost weight nicely with their diet -- which continued. Diagnosed with late-stage pancreatic cancer metastatic to liver and brain.

It was really their decades-long habit of treating illness with positive thinking and blowing off symptoms by working through them that was the problem. The relative risks of that course in youth and middle age had reversed dramatically in the 70s.

We all miss her a lot. One of those vibrant people who make everyone's life nice just by being there.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
48. The weight return is true of all diets
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 07:46 AM
Nov 2022

Not just the protein ones.

If you think livers look bad after a protein diet, don't look at what happens with a low-fat, high-carb diet. They're usually high in sugars of various kinds, because sugar is the only thing that can make low-fat foods palatable.

And sugar is what livers use to convert carbs into fat.

doc03

(39,086 posts)
53. I am 74 and have gone on many diets. I have found the best diet is exercise and consuming
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 09:33 AM
Nov 2022

less calories. Those fad diets you get from charlatans like the ones Oprah promotes work for the short term. But they are
not good for your health long term.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
68. V true
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 11:52 PM
Nov 2022

Although lower-carb (not extreme low-carb) diets do work better, long-term, than other diets. Reducing sugar and high-carb foods like rice, pasta, bread and potatoes will help take weight off and keep it off. Plus, it's the one known way to keep diabetes at bay or under control. Eating lower-carb is as much a partner in how I keep my blood sugar from going crazy as exercise and insulin.

A lot of people think low carb means going crazy on meat and not eating vegetables, but that just isn't so. When I went low carb the first time, I actually ate more vegetables than I had before. Better vegetables, at that. Less corn and carrots. More spinach and zucchini.

Win/win.

MaryMagdaline

(7,964 posts)
12. You need a prescription but you no longer need to be diabetic
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 04:58 PM
Nov 2022

The FDA has approved it for weight loss alone.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
70. The FDA can approve all day
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:06 AM
Nov 2022

Insurance companies don't have to cover it for non-diabetic use. Or any drug.

A former insurance plan we had would NOT cover Nexium, for any reason. I was prescribed Nexium one week, and the next week, it went OTC. My old insurance plan still wouldn't approve it that one week before. They called it--kid you not--"experimental." I refused to pay for the prescription, because I heard it was going OTC. Cost a lot less OTC than it would have even if insurance had covered it.

So be careful out there, any non-diabetics wanting to take this med. You may have to pay a bigger portion of the costs for it than diabetics.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
69. Not only do you need an MD prescription
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:01 AM
Nov 2022

But also really--really--good insurance, because it's an expensive med. I think the typical six week supply is something like $1000. There is no generic, at least not yet.

I'm lucky in that my husband's company has super-good insurance, but it took a bit of a fight to get them to cover Ozempic, at least in the beginning. Most insurance plans always balk at covering it. Our insurance company won't cover non-diabetes Ozempic prescriptions at all, and I doubt that they're the only one. even the best insurance plans usually cover it only if you have a history of taking insulin and other diabetic meds. Otherwise, expect to foot a big portion of that $1000.

nolabear

(43,850 posts)
4. My husband takes it. Not for weight loss.
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 04:42 PM
Nov 2022

He says he enjoys food fine but “It’s easier to push the plate away when you’re full.”

I’m considering trying it but I’m practically phobic about side effects, so haven’t decided yet.

rsdsharp

(12,002 posts)
17. I just took the first dose last Sunday. I haven't seen any revulsion.
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 06:18 PM
Nov 2022

Blood sugar has been bouncing a little, but generally lower. We’ll see if the second injection does anything more. It is expensive, even with insurance.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
49. This is where I am
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 07:55 AM
Nov 2022

In the beginning, I had a bit of food revulsion, but now I'm at the "easier to push the plate away" stage. Some foods, though, will definitely have me reach that stage sooner.

Avocado salsa, for instance. I used to be able to polish off half a jar with no problem. Now I can handle maybe the official serving size, and I'm done. If I use baked tofu strips as my "chips" then I'm lucky to get 2-3 bites down.

So it works...to an extent.

As for the side effects, eh, most people don't have anything other than blood sugar reduction and food suppression. When the ads list off all the potential side effects of meds, they have to mention if someone in the clinical trials got X or died while using it, even if there was only one person out of thousands tested who had that happen. Sometimes it's the med that caused the problem...and sometimes it's not. They still have to include it, though.

When you realize that many of the people in these clinical trials are not in the best of health to begin with (otherwise, why test on them?), it's not surprising that a few of them might have bad health outcomes while trying a new drug.

nolabear

(43,850 posts)
59. Agreed. Also stay away from FB groups.
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 01:54 PM
Nov 2022

Lord SAVE me from FB groups on health issues. I go in hoping for some actual info and even though I understand that people with no issues tend to be quiet there are some lines drawn between meds and symptoms that boggle the mind.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
71. I don't think I even have an FB account anymore
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:21 AM
Nov 2022

Had a World Lit assignment that required me to create a FB page for a character in an assigned story, and then post a "diary" following the plot.

I chose Isolde. Scheherezade was my preference, but sheesh, 1001 posts? No thanks!

As it is, I wouldn't trust anyone on FB to know their rear end from a hole in the ground. If I want medical advice to see if I need to go to an MD or not, I go to the Mayo or Cleveland Clinic websites. Or I ask my mom the retired RN.

Beyond that, when I have questions about my health care. I go to--brace yourself--one of the many doctors that my insurance and I are keeping afloat financially. Why am I paying these people, if not for their expertise? Sheesh. What a waste of money not to make them do some work!

nolabear

(43,850 posts)
75. True dat. Though I hate it. You're like my husband.
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 01:37 AM
Nov 2022

To his credit he goes to the pros. I don’t follow internet stuff unless I do a ton of research to follow up.

DVRacer

(734 posts)
6. This is the only thing that works for me
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 04:44 PM
Nov 2022

On my diabetes and I had to play hell with the VA to prescribe it. I was told that possibly due to other drugs they gave me over the years I didn’t produce insulin correctly anymore. In a single year my A1C went from 5.5 to 12.9 and would not come down. I saw the stupid commercials and asked if it was something we could try was told no it was too expensive. Took a year and Congressmen Mullett’s VA representative to get it. I was told it cost the VA $4,000 a month for me, ridiculous and unaffordable for most. Now my number is falling now at 7.8 and slowly coming down a year later. I have lost 105lbs overall with the last 30lbs on Ozempic. I was 305 in 2015 now 198 my target weight is 175ish.

MaryMagdaline

(7,964 posts)
8. Ozempic was a lifesaver for me
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 04:48 PM
Nov 2022

I lost 50 pounds; no longer pre-diabetic; my brother lost 60 pounds and he is no longer pre-diabetic. Diabetes has decimated my family. One cousin died due to complications and my uncle lost his legs. My husband and father both developed heart disease because of diabetes. My husband died young (56) due to autoimmune disease (sarcoidosis) which likely resulted from diabetic complications. His brother died of diabetes at age 40. All my aunts and uncles (6 of them) on my father’s side had diabetes. I just might live 5 to 10 years longer if I avoid diabetes. I’ve recommended ozempic to all of my extended family. One sister had side effects - nausea. I had mild side effects but great results using the lowest possible dose. My advice: drink lots of water. When using ozempic, your brain tells you that you are not hungry (great!) but it also tells you that you are not thirsty (bad!!). Drink water whether you want to or not.

MaryMagdaline

(7,964 posts)
13. Forgot to mention that my blood pressure decreased and is now under control.
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 04:59 PM
Nov 2022

Weight loss had multiple positive effects.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
14. From the article, side effects that make me say: "Oh dear"....
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 05:06 PM
Nov 2022
When the pandemic hit, the situation got even worse and, as Wheeler puts it, “the weight just piled on”. She managed to lose about 20lbs (9kg) before her doctor prescribed a new treatment: Ozempic. The treatment has seen drastic changes in Wheeler’s life: fatigue, dizziness and an elevated heart rate.

She says her brain is “running really, really slowly these days”, which makes phone calls and Zooms a little challenging. But she’s lost weight…..


Remember Phen-fen? That stuff worked like a miracle for me. Sis and I compared notes: food only interested us 3 times a day while using it. Definitely a switch in the brain kind of thing.

Then the reports of heart damage in some people started to come out. As I say, oh dear.

I am the last person to judge another person’s weight, and the first to say the issue is a lot more complicated than we know. Best of luck to us all, I say.



xmas74

(30,058 posts)
54. I loved Phen Fen.
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 10:39 AM
Nov 2022

I didn't need to lose much back then and looking back I shouldn't have had it. (I weighed 115 and wanted to weigh 100. No dr should have prescribed it to me but the 90s was about heroin chic.)
I had to force myself to eat on Phen Fen. All I wanted was black coffee, my Kool 100s and the occasional saltine or pink grapefruit, sometimes a mandarin. It was extremely unhealthy for me but I loved the results.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
74. People say "oh dear" about side effects
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 01:29 AM
Nov 2022

But the problem isn't usually as dire as anyone thinks.

The biggest thing that gets lost in translation: Even if ONE trial subject dies or has a heart attack while using the drug, the pharma company must include that death or cardiac problem in the potential side effects. Even if there's nothing that explicitly ties the death or heart attack or whatever to the drug.

Also keep in mind that the people selected for human trials are often not in the best of health, so it's not a surprise if some of the subjects die or otherwise have a bad health development that may or may not be related to the drug tested.

The trial reports to the FDA will show how many people were tested, how many of them died or whatever, and then it's about the math. Big PharmaCorp tested XYZ drug on 10,000 people and three people died during the drug trial? That means the death rate was 0.03% That isn't necessarily an indicator that XYZ drug will necessarily kill you. It only means that 3 someones died during the trial, and there's greater than even odds that it was coincidence rather than XYZ. Still, they have to list death as a potential side effect, to be on the safe side.

I'd be worried if I saw, say, 10% died of renal failure while taking XYZ. That means the drug is contraindicated for some discrete group of people, and the researchers will have to determine which group (over 65, diabetics on Ozempic, people with blue eyes--whatever) before getting FDA approval.

Or I'd worry if XYZ had a lot of contraindications of small percentages, but in a broader category of conditions. Let's say that 38 people of the 10K developed pulmonary hypertension. 53 had respiratory arrest. 197 got blood clots in the lungs. 244 got pneumonia. And so on. That's a sign that XYZ and the pulmonary system aren't playing well together, and thus something to be concerned about. Again, Big PharmaCorp will have to determine what's going on there before getting approval.

With the above contraindications, that's when the list of side effects will specifically say that people with X condition or taking Y medication shouldn't take XYZ without strict medical supervision. Or maybe not take it at all. It will depend on the drug and what it's designed to do.

The point is that the more specific the side effect listed, the more likely that it's something to heed.

Or that's how my mother the anesthetist explained it to me when I was leery of taking a prescribed drug after looking up the side effects. Turns out that the death side effect was over what I described: Some people in a clinical trial died, but it was a teeny tiny number. Not to belittle their deaths, but the number wasn't high enough for me to avoid a medication I needed at the time.

 

Dysfunctional

(452 posts)
15. Two years ago, my doctor told me if I didn't lose weight, I would have type II diabetes.
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 05:28 PM
Nov 2022

I went on a diet where I could eat just about anything I wanted but only between 4 and 5 PM. I went from 215 to 150 in 6 months. I am now at 160 because I started lifting weights 6 days a week alternating upper and lower body workouts 4 months ago. Not bad for 79 years old.

wishstar

(5,829 posts)
22. Great achievement and much better than taking Ozempic! My best friend also lost 65 pounds naturally
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 07:24 PM
Nov 2022

My friend went from 245 to 180 by cutting calories in half (and eliminating most sugar) from about 2000 to 1000 calories per day and increased her walking, but nothing very strenuous and she also stayed very busy with her arts and crafts hobbies this year which helped with staying away from snacking.

I have had good luck with weight loss cutting back on eating after 3pm and upping my walking and bike rides but have found that the only way for me to stop the cravings is to eliminate sugar since that causes my blood sugar to spike and then fall.

 

Dysfunctional

(452 posts)
36. The problem with losing weight is besides losing fat, you also lose bone density and muscle.
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 10:12 PM
Nov 2022

That's one of the reasons why I work out.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
47. +1, I only need to lose 30 lbs but I don't want it to be muscle. If I was my weight but 5% body
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 06:52 AM
Nov 2022

... fat I'd be fine

 

Dysfunctional

(452 posts)
55. 5% body fat is too low.
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 11:12 AM
Nov 2022

If you don't want to spend a lot of money checking your body fat, use the navy body fat calculator. It is pretty accurate. All you have to do is put in your gender, age, weight, and size of your neck, waist, and hips if female. My body fat percentage went from 26% to 12%.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
46. I've started lifting for leg strength, do you feel like you have more balance with stronger legs?tia
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 06:51 AM
Nov 2022
 

Dysfunctional

(452 posts)
60. Yes, up to a point. Also doing leg and hip exercises can strengthen your bones.
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 05:01 PM
Nov 2022

Also, work on your core. First go to an ear, nose, and throat doctor to check you out, an inner ear problem can cause a loss of balance. A physical therapist will show you some good exercises. If you can't afford a physical therapist some exercises that my physical therapist taught me. I am not a physical therapist but here are some exercises, place a band around your ankles and step to the side 5 steps and back doing 5 reps, tie the band to something solid and step back alternating legs, doing 5 reps, another one is standing at the bottom of your stairs and tap the next stair with one foot 5 times and alternate doing 5 reps. If that becomes easy see if you can step up 2 steps. This one is hard, get a balance plate and stand on it. Stand on one leg and walk toe to heel. Do not do any of these exercises unless you have someone who can hold you up if necessary usually holding you by your belt or having something stationary to hold on to. Do the farmer's carry, walk around carrying a weight, does not have to be heavy, in each hand for 2-3 minutes. If that is easy, carry a different weight, a 5-pound in one hand and a 10-pound in the other for 2 minutes, and then switch. Be very careful, you do not want to fall. I still can not jump rope.

woodsprite

(12,582 posts)
16. It's a drug for diabetics and diabetics are not being able
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 05:42 PM
Nov 2022

To get their scripts filled! As a diabetic, that pisses me off royally! I also wonder what dose their drs are prescribing. I was on Trulicity (a close cousin to Ozempic), but it didn’t make me nauseated at the thought of food, it just made me indifferent and feel satiety with a smaller amount (about half of what I’d normally eat at a meal). Also, I didn’t feel like snacking, and yes, I lost weight and my A1c came down to 6.4. I went off of it due to cancer treatment but would like to get back on it again. Also, only having to take 1 shot a week was awesome.

NickB79

(20,356 posts)
25. My pharmacy tech wife said exactly this
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 07:59 PM
Nov 2022

She said it's a struggle to get enough of it for their diabetic patients.

Happy Hoosier

(9,535 posts)
56. A lot of folks are insulin resistant and don't know it.
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 11:18 AM
Nov 2022

Type II Diabetes is caused by insulin resistance, but medicine is slow to catch up. It still largely treats diabetes as the disease when it is the symptom. We don’t really screen for insulin resistance, but we should. More than 2/3 of fat people are also likely insulin resistant, so for those folks, treating the insulin resistance is likely to lead weight loss. Ozempic or other method of dietary changes can treat insulin resistance. The weight loss was s really a side effect.

davsand

(13,446 posts)
61. Ozempic was not a good drug for me.
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 06:03 PM
Nov 2022

I was on it for about a year. It absolutely curbs your appetite, and it is a self injected--painless, I swear--weekly shot. Unfortunately for me, it resulted in terrible constipation and I grew a couple masses in my thyroid. I had to have both nodules biopsied. Fortunately, neither one was cancerous. What a lot of people do not realize is that Ozempic does carry a black box warning about specific thyroid issues, and my experience is not as rare as docs might want to think. Ozempis is hella expensive, too.

I was taking it rather than Metformin because my system did not tolerate Metformin. Once my doc switched me to an extended release metformin I was able to get off "The O" and the nodules in my thyroid reduced in size.

I would never tell anybody not to take Ozempic, but I would encourage them to be sure and research the drug before you take it.

YMMV.


Laura

woodsprite

(12,582 posts)
62. That was why I stopped taking Trulicity,
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 07:30 PM
Nov 2022

although it worked great for me. Since we knew I had active cancer in my body, they wanted me off it until I had surgery and was clear at least a year. This was a recurrence of endometrial cancer and definitely wasn’t anything to do with the med.

NickB79

(20,356 posts)
26. People in this thread seem to be doing it to not die of diabetes
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 08:01 PM
Nov 2022

Weight loss is the first recommendation to manage diabetes and prediabetes.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,955 posts)
27. Odds are they'll gain it back, with interest. Research is increasingly indicating that obesity is a
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 08:07 PM
Nov 2022

symptom of diabetes, not a cause.

ironflange

(7,781 posts)
30. I have taken Ozempic for my diabetes
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 08:15 PM
Nov 2022

The constant nausea made my life miserable; I may be unusually sensitive to it though. I don't take it any more, it just wasn't worth it.

Buckeye_Democrat

(15,526 posts)
32. I miss tasting food, but it doesn't make me nauseous.
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 08:40 PM
Nov 2022

So that's good.

I've indeed lost some weight because of it (from 210 to 190 pounds), a side-effect of the chemo pills that I'm taking.

I recall someone proclaiming, years ago, that most of our sense of taste comes from our sense of smell. Well, that person was full of crap! He probably had a head cold and noticed that his sense of taste was diminished, but that's nothing like being unable to taste at all. My sense of smell is fine, by the way, so I can kind of weakly simulate tasting food as I breathe while chewing.

Edit: It's been gradual weight loss too, so I'd think a weight loss pill that temporarily caused loss of taste might be a better option. Not that such a thing has been invented, as far as I know, unless it was meant for something else like treating cancer.

My best culinary sensation during Thanksgiving was drinking some raspberry tea from my sister-in-law, because the raspberry was very aromatic.

TexasBushwhacker

(21,204 posts)
33. For some people, they lose their taste for alcohol
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 08:59 PM
Nov 2022

My boss is obese and diabetic. He needs to lose weight in order to get a hip replacement. His wife is overweight but not obese. They've been getting Wegovy injections for about 6 weeks. They are both heavy drinkers.

There were some leftovers in the fridge that he was going to have for lunch. He has a hard time getting around, so I heated them up for him and took the container into his office. I went back 30 minutes latter to get the container off his desk and he had eaten 3 bites. He wants to eat psychologically, but just can't stand to eat more than a few bites.

 

dembotoz

(16,922 posts)
34. at school i paired bitter chocolate with a pastry i would binge on.
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 09:11 PM
Nov 2022

Found a study that obese people would eat less if the food did not taste good.

It worked and bitter chocolate is a hell of a lot cheaper than ozempic.

decades later i still no longer crave that pastry.

Deep State Witch

(12,717 posts)
35. Metformin
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 09:16 PM
Nov 2022

Was pretty nasty on it's own. I would imagine that Ozempic is like Met on steroids.

I've lost almost 100 pounds on keto, but gained about 25 of it back in the last few months after having COVID. My A1C is like .1% point more than "normal". I've gotten off of all blood sugar and blood pressure meds.

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
37. OK, so what is the word on Metformin? Anyone on it? Just prescribed for me as pre-diabetic. nt
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 10:13 PM
Nov 2022

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
40. It is widely used with no side effect but some have stomach problems
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 11:28 PM
Nov 2022

Twelve years ago I was diagnosed with diabetes and started with Metformin but quit when I had terrible cramps. I was able to control my blood sugar with diet exercise for 10 years but when I hit 65 needed help and my doctor put me on SLOW ACTING METFORMIN and that was much better for my stomach.

Now on Metformin, Trulicity, Insulin.

When you are a diabetic you are in a permanent science experiment, everyone's body reacts differently and your body will keep changing and you have to be flexible and on top of it.

If you don't find it coming together and getting it under control don't be afraid to change doctors to find one that is in sync with you.

Good luck.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
44. It is my understanding that Trulicity is a sister drug to Ozempic
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 02:03 AM
Nov 2022

I am starting Trulicity soon. Both Ozempic and Trulicity are similar
https://www.google.com/search?q=ozempic+trulicity&sxsrf=ALiCzsYhL7rTJun7f36YCpKumn4ctvsS6A%3A1669442413267&source=hp&ei=bauBY7SkDJmkqtsPj4qa0AU&iflsig=AJiK0e8AAAAAY4G5fW3DwZhZ4ehNEqrPt1S9nJiYi-Jc&oq=ozempic+tru&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQ6BwgjEOoCECc6BwguEOoCECc6BAgjECc6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOhEILhCABBCxAxCDARDHARDRAzoICAAQgAQQsQM6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBENEDOg4ILhCxAxCDARDlBBDUAjoKCC4QsQMQgwEQQzoHCAAQsQMQQzoECAAQQzoICC4QgAQQsQM6BAguEENQtQhYkC1ghUNoAXAAeACAAX2IAZkHkgEDOC4zmAEAoAEBsAEK&sclient=gws-wiz

Are Trulicity and Ozempic the same? Trulicity and Ozempic are both GLP-1 receptor agonist medications used to treat type 2 diabetes mellitus. Although similar, they are different medications that contain different active ingredients. Dulaglutide in Trulicity and semaglutide in Ozempic.

Trulicity seems to have less side effects
There are important differences between Trulicity and Ozempic. Some research suggests that Ozempic (semaglutide) may offer the best weight reduction and reduction in A1C (a measure of blood glucose levels), but that there are lower rates of gastrointestinal side effects with Trulicity and other GLP-1 medications.

I am at 6.3 AIC for the last year and a half on Victoza and so Trulicity may make more sense

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
58. I get my Trulicity free from Lilly. Their income guidelines to
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 12:01 PM
Nov 2022

qualify are pretty liberal.

Great job on the 6.3

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
43. I have been on metformin for over 20 years
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 01:58 AM
Nov 2022

It helps but you do have some diarrhea. I am taking a couple of OTC probiotics that seem to help with the diarrhea.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
73. Some people it's more than "some"
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:38 AM
Nov 2022

I was one of them. I lived a miserable existence on it, and even 20 feet from a bathroom was too far away to be. Multiple times a day. We're talking 7, 8 or more times a day.

Got switched to the Janumet. Slight improvement to 6-7 episodes, which was still too high. And then the problems started getting worse again. Got switched to Januvia + insulin + Ozempic. That took most of the edge off, but I was still having bad days, here and there. Going to an allergist found the last of the causes of my GI issues. One of them? After hearing about my experience with Metformin, my allergist included that in the test protocol. Turned out I was allergic to...Metformin. So I sort of came full circle there.

Anyway, after much trial and error, now I'm a happy camper.

Joinfortmill

(21,165 posts)
39. Sounds horrific. I lost 30 lbs. taking Moringa Leaf Powder capsules. Here's my story..
Fri Nov 25, 2022, 11:04 PM
Nov 2022

I had been taking glucosamine/chondroitin for over 20 years for joint pain. About three years ago the pain began increasing and spreading from my knees, to my hips and to my shoulders. I was doubling my dose and getting less pain relief.

Then I stumbled upon a youtube video of a guy who was talking about Moringa Leaf powder and how it reduced his arthritis pain considerably. I'd never heard of it. I did some research on it and learned it's a super food that has been used for centuries in India. The World Health Organization uses it to help populations in poor countries.

I took the capsules daily and within a couple of weeks my pain was completely gone. I've been completely pain free since. An unexpected side-effect was weight loss. I lost approximately 1.5 to 2.0 lbs per week until I'd lost 30 lbs. I've maintained the weight loss. Another interesting side effect was my desire for beef completely disappeared. I haven't had it since I began the Moringa. I eat much less meat overall. My blood work is excellent, as is my blood pressure. I'm 74 years old.

I highly recommend this super food for anyone's overall health. Do the research and try it. I'd get the capsules. The powder doesn't taste that great.

Skittles

(171,715 posts)
41. there is no miracle weight loss drug
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 01:44 AM
Nov 2022

they ALL are detrimental

I think the reason people have such problems with weight is they are too sedentary.....

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
42. I am about to start Trulicity which is a sister drug to Ozempic
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 01:55 AM
Nov 2022

I am type II diabetic with my diabetes under good control (6.3 AIC). I have been on Victoza for the las 12 or so years and my endocrinologist wants to change drugs. I will change over sometime next week when my last dose of Victoza is used up. I need to lose weight but my main concern is keeping the diabetes under control.

I will let you know how this works.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
50. I take Ozempic
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 08:07 AM
Nov 2022

And it helps with reducing my blood sugar, combined with a bunch of other meds and of course diet and exercise.

I haven't had the loss of flavor, but I'm a supertaster, so I taste all kinds of crazy stuff in food that most people don't.

joshcryer

(62,536 posts)
64. Just wait for tirzepatide which is being fast tracked.
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 08:15 PM
Nov 2022

They basically found the cure for obesity in pill form. It's going to be the most prescribed drug ever when it gets through testing.

 

honest.abe

(9,238 posts)
66. A friend of ours who is a nurse has used it but she said there are some serious side effects.
Sat Nov 26, 2022, 08:26 PM
Nov 2022

However she said is does work to lose weight.

Skittles

(171,715 posts)
72. when will people understand there is no miracle weight loss drug
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:34 AM
Nov 2022

having your body feel spasms of nausea is NOT good

as with all these drugs, you can't just stop taking them when you think you've lost enough weight, you have to KEEP taking them.....

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