Musk: Don't buy from Nazis

[dalton99a]

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[Lovie777]

1. Good for Milano ......

Germany at this point in time is our ally. Not so much Musk and the GQPs aka RWers aka Whet Nationalists.

[mopinko]

2. i just love how all the morons who wail like a toddler w a tooth ache w any nazi comparisons

r so happy to jump on ONE, i repeat ONE, that suits their purposes.

[Mopar151]

15. The story of the VolksWagen (people's car) is not all that Nazi.....

Indeed, it's more like the story of Tesla, where funding and founding get really confused. Dr. Porsche was the engineering mind who produced the brilliantly simple, lightweight Volkswagen "Beetle". The racing driver, Hans Stuck (Sr.), had an "in" with Hitler, who saw that financing VW was a political win with little downside.

[jmowreader]

28. The story of the Volkswagen is even less Nazi than that

The real story of Volkswagen starts after World War II, when British Army Major Ivan Hirst and Colonel Charles Radclyffe discovered the Volkswagen factory in Wolfsburg and decided they could make cars for the British Army in it.

[Mopar151]

32. If that factory had been set up to build Austins, or Fords, it would not have been nearly as success

full. nt

[tanyev]

3. Fascism isn't exclusively owned by Hitler's Nazis.

[Initech]

8. True, there was Russia's Stalin and Italy's Mussolini.

It's sad and scary that Italy seems to be heading back in that direction.

[Zeitghost]

27. Stalin

Was a lot of things, but fascist was not one of them.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

5. I took it that publicly traded companies shouldn't deal w Twitter

[Polybius]

6. You are 100% correct

I'll self-delete.

[Ziggysmom]

7. Still the three stooges 🤪

[Initech]

9. WTF is X?

I know of Parler and Truth Social but have never heard of X.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

23. X is Twitter 2.0 after mangling by mollusks. . . . nt

[Initech]

24. So basically another white supremacist echo chamber?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

25. Three competitors plus Gab and russian Telegram others

They won't all prosper and having many deplorable members is not enough to attract sterling high rate advertising.

We already have DU.

Not only will the three Mollusketeers end up fighting each other and falling out and arguing, they will face stiff competition from well-funded startups that will see an opportunity to create a shit-free public square to attract even bigger audiences than RW cesspools. Already tRump and Egoloon are not "on speaking terms" but are posting past each other against each other.

Further, there are open social media systems that are doing well enough and might be the ones to capture the brass ring: moderately civil discourse with all kinds of people even including those with opposing viewpoints and having the worst disinformation quickly tossed out.

I'm thinking the open systems may win -- open code (tens of thousands of programmer eyes make bugs and security holes evaporate), open moderation (user moderation and flagging, undoubtedly with AI alerts to moderator teams), and open curation (users having total control and filtering of their feeds).

If smart people connect rewarding high quality high reputation curation by key "editors" or selectors / moderators / blockers, ... connect that with the advertisers who will pay for such rewards, then it will fly.

If Skinner, say, had a top-notch rep (given by community incrementally), then advertisers would flock to his curated channel (on whatever social media systems succeed).

Look to sites like Instagram, slashdot, and Stack Overflow (Stack Exchange) for rewards and reputations that work (more or less).

RW Authoritarian social media won't win, but must be closely monitored for RW Authoritarian coup attempts and insurrectionism.

[patphil]

10. Nazi rule in Germany ended in 1945. That's 77 years ago.

That connection isn't valid; hasn't been for a long time.
Muskie once again demonstrates his lack of a realistic world view.
Every car company is making electric vehicles now. Tesla is facing fierce competition from dozens of car companies. He's going to need to up his game to keep Tesla in the running. Racist remarks and bad treatment of black workers ain't gonna cut it.
And now he has a little blue albatross hanging around his neck.
Bad times coming Elon, better buckle up.

[Shellback Squid]

11. the Hodgetwins share one small brain

Co-opted companies are beyond their understanding

[GreenWave]

12. If a company is worth 44,000,000,000 smackers

and you have 7,500 employees, they produce $5,866,000 and change each.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

20. It wasn't worth that, and do not confuse capital or valuation with income

1) Musk overpaid.

2) Capital is the value of the company that is convertible to money by selling it. The core value. Tech companies are over-valued by most measures in anticipation of future earnings. Core value is hard to determine for social media companies because the public is fickle.

3) Valuation is not capital, though the Twitter owners got lucky. Valuation is what people are willing to pay for a company. It is not capital.

4) If a startup (tech or otherwise) company has these employees:

Year Number
1 3
2 30
3 300
4 2000
5 7500

And if the company is worth 44 Gigabucks at the end of year five, you can't say that 7500 employees each contributed 5.8 Megabucks of worth. You can't even say they did that "on average" without accounting for time. The exact numbers or years do not matter to the point.

5) Worth is not the same as income. The measure you cite -- where you specifically use the word produce -- is a measure of revenue and income generation, not wealth accumulation.

If a business is running 44 Gigabucks of revenue a year, then yes, on average each produces $5.8 Meg revenue.

6) Revenue is not income (profit). Nor is it "income after taxes". Hint, Twitter does not have a great record of profit, and it is worse absent accounting manipulations that (legally) occur on top of revenue, loss, and profit on operations.

7) Not all employees have the same worth.

[ProfessorGAC]

26. Revenues Are 11% Of Capitalization

Or around $5 billion. The revenue per employee is around 2/3rds of a million per employee.
In contrast, Meta has 76,000 employees and around $86.5 billion in revenues, or about 1.138 million per employee.
The productivity per employee is just OK, but not close to best in industry.
I looked this up a few weeks ago because I didn't know details of that industrial sector. I knew the company from which I retired had 1,800 employees and just over $4.5 billion in revenue, or just over $2.5 million per employee.

[NutmegYankee]

13. The sad part here is VW actually started after the war.

The VW beetle was designed under Hitler, but the Nazi car company was called KDF Wagon and died with the Third Reich. The British took over the factory and began making cars, forming the VW company, and handing it to the West German State in the 1950s. The famous VW bus was started by a Dutchman in 1950. VW became an independent corporation in 1961.

[dalton99a]

14. +1

[Bernardo de La Paz]

21. Good post highlighting actual history. Even nazis & racists can have good ideas

I think that Thomas Jefferson had more than one good idea.

[orthoclad]

16. Germany has strong hate crime laws

They confronted their past. They didn't pass Stop WOKE laws. They are now antifa. Mostly.

Consider that US history inspired Hitler, and consider Henry Ford's support of Hitler. And consider that we buy a lot of "stuff" from German and Japanese companies that started life supplying the Axis.

Fascism is autocracy collaborating with capital. Hitler pushed for a cheap, simple "People's Car", and Mussolini got the trains running on time. But efficiency is no excuse for fascism.

(I'd love to see an affordable analog solar electric VW Beetle, built by worker co-ops, though.)

[NQAS]

18. How many items does

Musk buy from Germany, Japan, china etc.?

What a doofus.

I hope Milano is only the first of many to take this step. And that others looking for a ev skip the Tesla.

[republianmushroom]

19. Screw Musk

[Bernardo de La Paz]

22. Boycotting VW is boycotting DEAD people. Boycotting Musk is boycotting a LIVE fascist

Boycott the live fascist.

[moondust]

29. Eloon the eugenicist?

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One source who worked closely with Musk for several years told Insider that he's "very serious about the idea that your wealth is directly linked to your IQ." The source added that Musk urged "all the rich men he knew" to have as many children as possible.
~
https://www.businessinsider.com/pronatalism-elon-musk-population-tech-2022-11

Nazi much, Eloon? How many minorities were among "all the rich men he knew"? How about TFG and his half-billion inheritance, steaks, vodka, university, tax evasion, attempted coup, and multiple bankruptcies? How about Putin--who some say may be the richest person in the world? You want a lot more genocidal war criminals?

Get a brain, moran.

[WarGamer]

30. And BMW engines were in airplanes that bombed London and shot down B-17's...

And Porsche made tanks, too...

[tinrobot]

31. BTW -- that VW EV was built in Tennessee

The 2023 ID.4 is built in Chattanooga.

Great car. I have one.

[Chakaconcarne]

33. So we're going to be inundated here on DU with posts about Musk now, instead of Trump?

Awesome!