Nick FUENTES is 1/4 Mexican. As a White Supremacist, he's qualified to be called Self-Hating.

[UTUSN]

Lessee, how many “mistakes” does this make for Drumpf – after insulting Gold Star families, Vets in general, disabled people, all manner of races/ethnicities/nationalities, Decent people in general, torn down this country's alliances and given aid/comfort to our enemies – what is new/different, what’s the last straw on the camel’s back, what?

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https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/is-nick-fuentes-hispanic-debate-ensues-white-supremacist-dines-donald-trump-kanye-mar-a-lago

Twitter discusses Nick Fuentes’ heritage in the wake of dinner with Kanye West and Donald Trump

Omar Al-Wardian @WardianAl
Someone shout out to Nick Fuentes, let him know his dad is half Hispanic. Mr. Fuentes is a quarter Hispanic, Mexican descent. Perhaps it will change his views if he knew where his heritage came from. Yelling white power when you ain't white seems dumb.

LEID ‘N’ OAHU 🌸🍍☀️🌴🐓 @medicallyexempt
@DashDobrofsky How is Nick Fuentes a white nationalist when he’s Hispanic?? Something isn’t adding up here.

Christine Stafford @Christi37233081
So...I'm assuming Nick Fuentes is denying his Hispanic heritage.

Crystal Marie Patterson @CrystalMariePa5
Being part Hispanic myself, I could say this about Nick Fuentes, but I don't want to offend the rest of my people. They're good people, Nick just happens to be the one off reason abortion should remain legal

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[Turbineguy]

1. Supposedly,

Hitler had a Jewish Grandparent.

[UTUSN]

3. Yeah, was going to add:

So originally the phrase used to be “self-hating Jew” – but it can apply to any oppressed group: Self-hating (whatever minority) Black, Hispanic, Gay, gender.

[Jack the Greater]

23. Why does the group have to be oppressed to have self-hating members?

There must be white people who hate their whiteness.

[UTUSN]

26. Gosh, seems like every syllable has to be defended, like whack-a-mole. Uh, the general connotation

that first entered MY awareness, but that's just me, was from World War II histories, where some collaborators with oppressors were members of the oppressed.

I would surmise, but that's just me, that Whites who hate their Whiteness would be in some way oppressed.


I don't want to pursue this.

[Samrob]

28. I see a lot of colorful people behind Trump at his rallies. Self-hating-whatever. nt

[GreenWave]

2. And has ye* looked in the mirror lately?

Oh Ye of little faith!

* for the irony of dining with a white supremacist,

[Thomas Hurt]

5. well yeah but he is rich and semi-divine, so he is above all that...(wink,wink)

[Ocelot II]

4. More about the Trump/Fuentes love fest here:

https://morningshots.thebulwark.com/p/i-really-like-this-guy-he-gets-me

Fuentes is a remarkably terrible person.

[pwb]

6. His Name should have given him a hint eh?

And then there is Kanye? I am not sure who he hates.

[Walleye]

7. White supremacist, white nationalist. The word is racist, why dress it up. They're proud of it

[Geechie]

8. Look into Hispanic racism.

It’s a thing. Most Anglos don’t know the first thing about its long history of separating the Euros from the Indos from the Afros down to the 16th or smaller particle. The Eurocentric Latin Americans have been responsible for most of the atrocities under puppet regimes and dictators during the past centuries.

[UTUSN]

9. A broad brush applies to all of humanity in whatever its sub-groups.

[Sympthsical]

19. Partly what did that LA council member in

She's Latina herself, but referred to Oaxacan residents as ugly villagers.

Colorism is ever a thing that only seems to move in one direction. No one's ever discriminated against me for being clearly part banshee.

[Retrograde]

29. She's not the only one

A lot of the long-established Mexican community around here has roots in Michoacan. About ten years ago we started getting more immigrants from Oaxaca and Chiapas (who tend have more indigenous blood): the newcomers were looked down on as "hicks" and "hillbillies" - i.e., rubes.

Sometimes I think people just like to find reasons to look down on people.

[haele]

21. When I took Hispanic Studies for my associates...

...one of the books we read was an 1905 record of first person Spanish Land Grant/Mexican settler narratives, which includes an old lady born in 1807 whose parents had been given a land grant in the 1790's. She, along with other land grant families, consciously identified themselves as White.
There was a serious Hispanic caste system that according to my mother, who grew up in LA during the '30's and '40's and lived in a mixed neighborhood, was still in effect, no matter how "tan" someone with a Hispanic surname looked or whether or not the family was wealthy or just working class. In fact, the Armenian refugee enclave in her neighborhood was looked on as less "White" by the few land-grant descendants that were the primary landlords in her neighborhood.
I suspect the caste system is still in effect in some circles within The Southwest, though it's been diluted somewhat since the Civil Rights movement.
I would not doubt at all that Grandfather Fuentes probably thought of himself as White Hispanic, if he thought of himself as Hispanic at all.

Haele

[David__77]

10. Mexico is a multiracial society.

And there are white racists there. I don’t get the self-hating line.

[UTUSN]

14. "Embarrased by his Mexican heritage" from Post 11 - good definition of "self-hating."

[LuvLoogie]

11. Many, but not all Mexicans, are Mestizo.

There are a lot of racist Mexicans. Even those with a lot of indigenous DNA. That said. Fuentes is an American born in the suburbs of Chicago. His Mexican grandfather may even have been born here.

His dad may be one of those go along to get along pochos. Embarrased by his Mexican heritage. White kids in the suburbs will make fun of your surname or the color of your skin. Nick grew up like that, I'm sure.

Spanish surnames are European surnames.

[UTUSN]

13. I'm with Don LEMON on how Drumpf's Jewish ex-ambassador to Israel tried

to deflect the subject away from Drumpf and over to Progressives in Congress:

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https://www.mediaite.com/tv/don-lemon-and-ex-trump-staffer-clash-over-trumps-dinner-with-white-supremacist-dont-put-words-in-my-mouth/

Don Lemon and Ex-Trump Staffer Clash Over Trump’s Dinner With White Supremacist: ‘Don’t Put Words in My Mouth’

.... Lemon spoke to Len Khodorkovsky on Monday morning over the fallout from Trump having dinner last week with Kanye West and prominent white nationalist Nick Fuentes. Khodorkovsky, a former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State in the Trump administration who is Jewish, began the conversation by remarking about his descendence from Holocaust survivors to say, “I can tell an anti-semite when I hear one. And I tell you with confidence that President Trump is not an anti-semite.” ....

... As Khodorkovsky wished that Trump hadn’t met with West or Fuentes, he then tried to deflect from criticism of the former president by going after alleged anti-semitism from progressive members of Congress.

“They’re not the president of the United States. He’s the former president of the United States,” Lemon countered. “This is not whataboutism. He met with an anti-semite. So can we stick to the former president and not do whataboutism? We can talk about those other people when there are issues, but there aren’t issues right now.” ....

The clash continued as Lemon maintained the focus on Trump while Khodorkovsky kept trying to deflect to anti-semitism from other people. Khodorkovsky grew increasingly agitated as Lemon called out his “whataboutism” and his refusal to break off from the current news about an ex-president hosting anti-semites at his house. ....

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[Baitball Blogger]

12. Yes.

[Freethinker65]

15. I believe Nick also applied as Hispanic on his college applications.

Easy aid/money is how Fuentes sees things. He is an opportunist.

[LaMouffette]

16. It just goes to show that Trump's narcissism overrides all else, even his profound racism.

Trump is so pathetically full of himself, while at the same time so lacking in a true sense of self-worth, that he cozies up to ANYONE who gives him love, respect, and approval, even if it is faked. That's how Putin and Kim Jung Un got hold of him. He'll take it where he can get it, even from people of color, whom he so wrongly views as inferior to himself.

If all of the Mexican "rapists and murderers" Mexico is purportedly sending to the US (according to Trump in his 2016 campaign launch speech) were to start groveling at Trump's feet, he would invite them to dinner at Merde-a-Lardo, too.

[UTUSN]

17. And billionaire cartel honchos, too, like his history with Russian mob oligarchs.

Actually, he's non-ideological, is starved for affection/ego-stroking - "If somebody (says they) like me, I like them!" - besides grifting fast bucks from whomever/wherever.

[LaMouffette]

31. Yup. Mary Trump's book "Too Much and Never Enough" lays out explicitly how this jerk ended up

with such a weird combination of narcissism and (deep-down) self-loathing. But although his toxic upbringing may be the reason, it is no excuse. His brother who died turned out to be a decent human being in spite of being raised in the same environment (also in her book).

[agingdem]

18. consider the venomous reptile Stephen Miller,

a self hating Jew...Miller had no problem suggesting/implementing separating families and "housing" babies in cages..channeling Hitler was he?

as for Neo-Nazi white supremest poster boy Nick Fuentes, he's had ample opportunity to change his hispanic last name to something "pure", non ethnic like, let's say..Miller or West...so why hasn't he??..inquiring minds and all that..

[UTUSN]

24. Exactly on all points. Or why not his mother's or grandmother's maiden names?

Seems like he has left himself open for this kind of discussion, but purposely or just stupidly?

[Initech]

20. I'm seriously getting major Clayton Bigsby vibes from Kanye hanging out with that POS.

[Jack the Greater]

22. Mexican is not an ethnicity. It is a nationality. It hs nothing to do with genes.

[UTUSN]

25. "indigenous" or "mestizo" or "heritage" - that better?

Or Mexican from Mexico or Spanish from Spain or Mexican-American?

[Retrograde]

27. That's just complicating things further

Mexico - like a lot of countries in the Western Hemisphere - has a mixed population. It ranges from Indigenous peoples through Mestizos (various mixtures of Natives and Europeans) to Europeans - and not just from Spain (former president Vicente Fox's family was German - the original name was Fuchs) Plus, there are people of African descent as well as Asians - and a bunch of White Mormons who moved from the US in the early 1900s.

The colonial Spanish administrators used to publish Casta pictures to try to depict the various classifications. These usually show a man from one classification with a woman from another, along with their offspring in yet another classification. See Wikipedia for more details.

As for Fuentes, I prefer not to refer to him at all.

[UTUSN]

30. "Fuentes, I prefer not to refer to him at all" - well, since this is that thread, don't know what

to say.