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(13,062 posts)
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 12:04 PM Nov 2022

Hobbs stinks at "cheating"



Cochise County is heavily Republican.According to records on the county’s website, Republican Juan Ciscomani received nearly 14,000 more votes than Democrat Kirsten Engle in their race for Arizona’s 6th congressional district.Likewise, Republican Tom Horne received 9,000 more votes than Democrat Kathy Hoffman in the contest for Superintendent of Public Instruction.

If the supervisors were to refuse to certify their election results and, as the law provides, “disenfranchise all of the voters in Cochise County”, Democrats would have enough votes from the other 14 counties to win both of those races.

All Katie Hobbs’ office has to do to make that happen is turn a blind eye. Don’t file a lawsuit. Don’t do anything.

Hobbs prevents MAGA from stepping on rakes.


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(1,677 posts)
10. Chinese philosopher Sun Tzu:
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 02:30 PM
Nov 2022

“If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by.”


(13,963 posts)
6. It was 220-213, with two undecided
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 02:21 PM
Nov 2022

But a sitting Dem congressman has died, and that seat won’t be filled until there is a special election in Virginia. It is a safe Dem seat.



(33,643 posts)
3. Do you know that there's not some law that prevents the entire state election from being certified
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 12:12 PM
Nov 2022

If even 1 county refuses to certify theirs?

Even though I live here, I don't know either way, and no article I've read states either way what will actually happen if Cochise does not do so.

But I suspect that the RePuQ's wouldn't make such an obvious and grievous mistake that hands the election to Hoffman, and grows the lead for every other Dem candidate.

Then again, I've overestimated their intelligence in the past, for sure


(4,476 posts)
13. The Secretary of State in Arizona certifies the statewide vote
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 03:03 PM
Nov 2022

so if Cochise doesn't "certify" theirs, which is really a matter of reporting, since according to the one sensible supervisor there, they have already verified the accuracy of the count, then it doesn't get included in the statewide total.

This is not the first boneheaded, grievous mistake made by the Cochise County Board of Supervisors. They have a long reputation of inept incompetence to maintain. I grew up there, I know.


(5,125 posts)
4. BUT sounds like she has the integrity to hold the position.
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 12:33 PM
Nov 2022

The law is the law.

You enforce it even if it means your side loses an election because the people voted and their votes count.


(13,963 posts)
8. Thank you
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 02:23 PM
Nov 2022

I hope everyone on our side opposes disenfranchising voters even if it were to benefit us.


(11,767 posts)
11. Agreed.
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 02:30 PM
Nov 2022

Would I be upset if Cochise continues to shoot themselves and the Republican Party in the foot? Not at all. I would however, be upset if our elected officials started to cheat to win like the Republicans do. Hobbs is doing the right thing by following her mandate as SOS in Arizona. That may not stop Cochise from screwing over their voters, but it won't be the fault of Democratic meddling but of Republicans stupidity.


(38,749 posts)
5. Well, I (for one) really do believe that some GOPers are stupid enough
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 12:47 PM
Nov 2022

to shoot themselves in the foot.


(54,496 posts)
15. Tactically it sucks to help certify Republican votes, but she took an oath.
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 03:34 PM
Nov 2022

Forcing the morons to do their jobs is the right thing to do.

I'd like the irony of Hobbs doing nothing and letting Republicans eat the consequences, but not following the letter and spirit of the law would be off-brand for Good Government Democrats.

It'd be like a parent punishing an obstinate child for resisting potty training by refusing to change the child's diapers. When you take on the job of supervising elections, you're promising to clean up the mess


(3,669 posts)
16. Yes, she's doing the correct thing
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 02:41 PM
Nov 2022

I like her.

I remember when she announced that she was running for Governor. This was when she was getting lots of death threats during the Cyber Ninjas nonsense.


(4,476 posts)
14. This, in a nutshell, is a complete characterization of the whole election denier movement.
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 03:08 PM
Nov 2022

They are so ignorant and stupid and unaware of the law, the way votes are counted and how secure and accurate and verifiable they are that they make stupid moves like this.

As I understand the situation, not only would excluding their votes flip the Congressional district election, and the state superintendent of public instruction but at least one state senate and representative district would be left without an elected candidate.

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