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Tue Nov 29, 2022, 11:04 AM

kairos12 (11,910 posts)

Hobbs stinks at "cheating"

https://www.yahoo.com/now/cochise-county-supervisors-prove-katie-140036365.html

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Cochise County is heavily Republican.According to records on the county’s website, Republican Juan Ciscomani received nearly 14,000 more votes than Democrat Kirsten Engle in their race for Arizona’s 6th congressional district.Likewise, Republican Tom Horne received 9,000 more votes than Democrat Kathy Hoffman in the contest for Superintendent of Public Instruction.

If the supervisors were to refuse to certify their election results and, as the law provides, “disenfranchise all of the voters in Cochise County”, Democrats would have enough votes from the other 14 counties to win both of those races.

All Katie Hobbs’ office has to do to make that happen is turn a blind eye. Don’t file a lawsuit. Don’t do anything.

Hobbs prevents MAGA from stepping on rakes.

Shame.

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16 replies	Author	Time	Post
Hobbs stinks at "cheating" (Original post)	kairos12	Nov 29	OP
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."	Ray Bruns	Nov 29	#1
Chinese philosopher Sun Tzu:	AverageOldGuy	Nov 29	#10
So Would That Make It	Me.	Nov 29	#2
It was 220-213, with two undecided	SCantiGOP	Nov 29	#6
Do you know that there's not some law that prevents the entire state election from being certified	Hugh_Lebowski	Nov 29	#3
The Secretary of State in Arizona certifies the statewide vote	lees1975	Nov 29	#13
BUT sounds like she has the integrity to hold the position.	TigressDem	Nov 29	#4
Thank you	SCantiGOP	Nov 29	#8
Agreed.	Caliman73	Nov 29	#11
Well, I (for one) really do believe that some GOPers are stupid enough	MissMillie	Nov 29	#5
Yeah, I've actually seen it on YouTube!	dchill	Nov 29	#7
Hobbs sues	FelineOverlord	Nov 29	#9
Tactically it sucks to help certify Republican votes, but she took an oath.	Bucky	Nov 29	#15
Yes, she's doing the correct thing	FelineOverlord	Nov 30	#16
LIKE IT	republianmushroom	Nov 29	#12
This, in a nutshell, is a complete characterization of the whole election denier movement.	lees1975	Nov 29	#14

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Tue Nov 29, 2022, 11:09 AM

Ray Bruns (2,484 posts)

1. "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."

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Tue Nov 29, 2022, 01:30 PM

AverageOldGuy (830 posts)

10. Chinese philosopher Sun Tzu:

“If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by.”

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Tue Nov 29, 2022, 11:10 AM

Me. (34,966 posts)

2. So Would That Make It

215 DEms/218 Cons? Not much wiggle room for them.

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Tue Nov 29, 2022, 01:21 PM

SCantiGOP (13,045 posts)

6. It was 220-213, with two undecided

But a sitting Dem congressman has died, and that seat won’t be filled until there is a special election in Virginia. It is a safe Dem seat.

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Tue Nov 29, 2022, 11:12 AM

Hugh_Lebowski (30,249 posts)

3. Do you know that there's not some law that prevents the entire state election from being certified

If even 1 county refuses to certify theirs?

Even though I live here, I don't know either way, and no article I've read states either way what will actually happen if Cochise does not do so.

But I suspect that the RePuQ's wouldn't make such an obvious and grievous mistake that hands the election to Hoffman, and grows the lead for every other Dem candidate.

Then again, I've overestimated their intelligence in the past, for sure

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Tue Nov 29, 2022, 02:03 PM

lees1975 (2,269 posts)

13. The Secretary of State in Arizona certifies the statewide vote

so if Cochise doesn't "certify" theirs, which is really a matter of reporting, since according to the one sensible supervisor there, they have already verified the accuracy of the count, then it doesn't get included in the statewide total.

This is not the first boneheaded, grievous mistake made by the Cochise County Board of Supervisors. They have a long reputation of inept incompetence to maintain. I grew up there, I know.

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Tue Nov 29, 2022, 11:33 AM

TigressDem (4,710 posts)

4. BUT sounds like she has the integrity to hold the position.

The law is the law.

You enforce it even if it means your side loses an election because the people voted and their votes count.

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Response to TigressDem (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 29, 2022, 01:23 PM

SCantiGOP (13,045 posts)

8. Thank you

I hope everyone on our side opposes disenfranchising voters even if it were to benefit us.

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Response to TigressDem (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 29, 2022, 01:30 PM

Caliman73 (10,611 posts)

11. Agreed.

Would I be upset if Cochise continues to shoot themselves and the Republican Party in the foot? Not at all. I would however, be upset if our elected officials started to cheat to win like the Republicans do. Hobbs is doing the right thing by following her mandate as SOS in Arizona. That may not stop Cochise from screwing over their voters, but it won't be the fault of Democratic meddling but of Republicans stupidity.

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Tue Nov 29, 2022, 11:47 AM

MissMillie (36,861 posts)

5. Well, I (for one) really do believe that some GOPers are stupid enough

to shoot themselves in the foot.

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Tue Nov 29, 2022, 01:23 PM

dchill (34,712 posts)

7. Yeah, I've actually seen it on YouTube!

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Tue Nov 29, 2022, 01:28 PM

FelineOverlord (2,988 posts)

9. Hobbs sues

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

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Tue Nov 29, 2022, 02:34 PM

Bucky (52,164 posts)

15. Tactically it sucks to help certify Republican votes, but she took an oath.

Forcing the morons to do their jobs is the right thing to do.

I'd like the irony of Hobbs doing nothing and letting Republicans eat the consequences, but not following the letter and spirit of the law would be off-brand for Good Government Democrats.

It'd be like a parent punishing an obstinate child for resisting potty training by refusing to change the child's diapers. When you take on the job of supervising elections, you're promising to clean up the mess

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Response to Bucky (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 30, 2022, 01:41 PM

FelineOverlord (2,988 posts)

16. Yes, she's doing the correct thing

I like her.

I remember when she announced that she was running for Governor. This was when she was getting lots of death threats during the Cyber Ninjas nonsense.

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Tue Nov 29, 2022, 02:01 PM

republianmushroom (3,577 posts)

12. LIKE IT

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Tue Nov 29, 2022, 02:08 PM

lees1975 (2,269 posts)

14. This, in a nutshell, is a complete characterization of the whole election denier movement.

They are so ignorant and stupid and unaware of the law, the way votes are counted and how secure and accurate and verifiable they are that they make stupid moves like this.

As I understand the situation, not only would excluding their votes flip the Congressional district election, and the state superintendent of public instruction but at least one state senate and representative district would be left without an elected candidate.

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