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kentuck

(111,079 posts)
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 08:27 PM Nov 2022

Two found guilty of "seditious conspiracy" - what does it mean?

How far does the conspiracy go?

Does it stop with Rhodes and Meggs?

Do they have any evidence that it might go higher?

It is certainly the most serious verdicts thus far in the attack upon our Capitol. There are still several lesser "leaders" that have yet to be tried. They cannot feel too secure today.

What role do the guilty verdicts have in the bigger picture?

They were not "patriots". They were "traitors". They were all found guilty of obstruction.

One would have to think that this would make further charges on those that concocted and inspired the conspiracy much more likely?

Today there is a lot of progress.

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emulatorloo

(44,116 posts)
1. They were in close contact with Roger Stone. Maybe they will flip on him get time shaved off
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 08:31 PM
Nov 2022

their prison terms.

As we know Stone was in close contact with Trump. We’ll have to see what happens!

Good job by DOJ putting a solid case together that proved to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that these people are guilty of sedition.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
5. So, you are suggesting the convictions should be thrown out?
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 08:49 PM
Nov 2022

Are you saying that the DoJ withheld evidence and failed to join necessary parties - both of which would be reasons to overturn these convictions?

They were found guilty of conspiring with each other and with the remaining Oath Keepers who were charged with doing the stuff in the indictment under the heading “The Conspiracy.”

I don’t see why it is necessary to undermine these convictions by suggesting they were improperly obtained.

former9thward

(31,981 posts)
6. If you are looking at "names" that people know the convictions mean very little.
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 08:55 PM
Nov 2022

The DOJ is going after a few people that entered the building but little evidence they are looking elsewhere.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
8. A recurring theme in DU posts on this trial...
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 09:04 PM
Nov 2022

…is an implicit belief that being charged with conspiracy to commit a crime means that the people charged were part of some much larger and far reaching plot. As if the trial itself has far reaching implications for a vast number of persons who were never part of the actually-charged conspiracy among the defendants to commit a particular crime.

I suppose that is part of the colloquial understandings of the word “conspiracy” instead of the legal definition of the term - ie an agreement of at least two persons to commit a crime, coupled with an overt act toward accomplishing the aim of the conspiracy.

That’s the only thing I can think of which explains threads like this or the identical one about two weeks ago asking “what will a guilty verdict mean?”

Locutusofborg

(525 posts)
7. Expect the convictions to be appealed
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 08:58 PM
Nov 2022

It will most likely be years before there are final, definitive answers to your questions.

emulatorloo

(44,116 posts)
10. Who is paying the lawyers I wonder. He tried a gofundme type thing, but that didn't pan out for him.
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 09:06 PM
Nov 2022
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/jan6-oathkeeper-stewart-rhodes-sidney-powell-1336552/

Go Fund Yourself! The Public Isn’t Interested in Paying Top Oath Keeper’s Jan. 6 Legal Bills
Stewart Rhodes' crowdfunding campaign is a flop. But former Trump lawyer Sidney Powell's group is swooping in to help pick up the tab

BY TIM DICKINSON
APRIL 13, 2022

Curious, on what basis do you think they will file an appeal?

tinrobot

(10,895 posts)
9. It means the Feds have proven it actually was sedition
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 09:05 PM
Nov 2022

Next, have them work their way up the sedition ladder until they get to the orange-stained top.

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