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Celerity

(43,357 posts)
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 08:00 AM Nov 2022

The Authoritarian Right Is Regrouping

In Moscow, Mar-a-Lago, and beyond, desperate men are mobilizing anyone they can to help them regain power. Events of the past few weeks in Russia, Brazil, and America show the global right in disarray. But these are not signs of defeat, as liberals might hope; they are the disorderly attempt by antidemocratic forces to stage a recovery.

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/11/the-authoritarian-right-is-regrouping/672286/

https://archive.ph/v4WLf



By Tom Nichols

Going to Extremes

It’s been a bad year for authoritarians around the world, and November may have been their worst month yet. The Russian invasion of Ukraine continues to disintegrate into a series of disorderly retreats. Brazil’s far-right president was turned out of office. Millions of American voters kept a collection of antidemocratic candidates away from the levers of government.

We might want to see all this as a turning of the tide; my friend, the writer Jonathan V. Last—perhaps the only person capable of more pessimism than I—said this morning that he cannot resist a feeling of hopefulness. I hate to be the voice of caution here, because I want to believe the optimists will be vindicated. And I do think a collective faith in democracy will prevail. But I worry about the danger of complacency.

Over the past week, the global right has shown signs of trying to regroup after taking a hiding everywhere from the ballot box to the battlefield. Some of it seems little more than disorganized thrashing about, such as Jair Bolsonaro’s election challenge in Brazil and Kari Lake’s refusal to concede in Arizona. Donald Trump, meanwhile, is trying out a bolder version of his 2016 and 2020 race-baiting strategies by hosting a dinner for an anti-Semite and a racist—a pathetic and vulgar event that in a better political environment would be treated as yet another disqualification for participation in our public life.

Overseas, the Russians are not giving up in Ukraine, despite reports that they might quit their occupation of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant. (A Ukrainian official says there are signs that the Russians are pulling out; the Russians deny it.) I think it is possible that the Russian commanders have pitched a proposal to the Kremlin that they should withdraw as a matter of necessity. It would be a smart diplomatic move and a prudent strategic choice. But Vladimir Putin has demonstrated that he is a terrible strategist, and that he has no intention of ending this war.

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The Authoritarian Right Is Regrouping (Original Post) Celerity Nov 2022 OP
It is becoming clear... 2naSalit Nov 2022 #1
I agree about the need to stamp them out wnylib Nov 2022 #2
Completely will never happen. But steely determination by all us anti-a antifa will hold them down Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #6
First start would be to get rid of Fox. Initech Nov 2022 #19
'Nuke' the entire party from orbit. It is the only way to be sure. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Nov 2022 #3
I see what you did there! 2naSalit Nov 2022 #5
Who will do that? Who will disqualify a candidate due to conduct and association? Alexander Of Assyria Nov 2022 #9
I think that we have to give up the idea Mad_Machine76 Nov 2022 #20
I agree with you. OldBaldy1701E Nov 2022 #22
+1 Mad_Machine76 Nov 2022 #23
I think it is also the fact that the old media is just that. OldBaldy1701E Nov 2022 #24
Yes Mad_Machine76 Nov 2022 #25
Holy Batman! Insurrectionists in control of the House and not a eyelash is batted by corporate media Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2022 #26
+1 Mad_Machine76 Dec 2022 #29
Hear Hear! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Nov 2022 #21
Given the wealth that right-wing authoritarians have amassed, along with the power their Lonestarblue Nov 2022 #4
Authoritarians have been with us since before Mesopotamia and always will be. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #7
My theory is that you could go to any period in human history & find the same struggles playing out. NBachers Nov 2022 #10
Autocracy was the preferred system of government for most of human history... Wounded Bear Nov 2022 #13
Never before in human history orthoclad Nov 2022 #15
Yes. Wealth and income inequality is at unsustainable levels in US and worldwide. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #17
Publicly funded elections would go a long way to fixing this country. CrispyQ Nov 2022 #12
That enormous sum could build a thousand schools. It hasn't made the electorate wiser, either. nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2022 #16
The corporate media sucks on that money like a teat. The sweet milk never stops..unless one Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2022 #27
They've had some wins too Johnny2X2X Nov 2022 #8
They far right authoritarians have always been here and will always be here. Fla Dem Nov 2022 #11
That's about how old Hitler was when he got started... Wounded Bear Nov 2022 #14
Hitler was 30 when he joined DAP (precursor to the Nazi Party) Celerity Dec 2022 #28
Wealth is power orthoclad Nov 2022 #18
True, but screw them, knowledge is more powerful, which is why the Press keep us in the dark Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2022 #30
We've been trying to pit knowledge orthoclad Dec 2022 #31

2naSalit

(86,609 posts)
1. It is becoming clear...
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 08:07 AM
Nov 2022

What was meant by anti-fascist slogans of old when they say "stamp out" their movement. You can't just push them into the shadows, they must be severely reduced and contained.

wnylib

(21,455 posts)
2. I agree about the need to stamp them out
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 09:01 AM
Nov 2022

and completely crush them. That would require a big attitude change in society's willingness to vote them out and hold them accountable legally. Without that, the only way to completely defeat them could end up being physically if they escalate their violence. Sincerely hoping that it does not come to that. But, when dealing with belligerent fanatics ......?


Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
6. Completely will never happen. But steely determination by all us anti-a antifa will hold them down
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 09:09 AM
Nov 2022

All of DU is antifa more or less. It's not just struggles in the street.

Initech

(100,075 posts)
19. First start would be to get rid of Fox.
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:29 PM
Nov 2022

The last 20 years, Fox has been a danger. They stole 3 elections, the Supreme Court, and the states of Florida and Texas from us. But ever since 2016, and after Trump's defeat in the 2020 election, I feel like they've become a real threat to the well being of the United States. Murdoch lost his plaything in the White House and now he's really mad that he doesn't have his toy anymore. It's scary the amount of hate and violence they are pushing. They are getting their people elected in positions like school boards and city councils where they can do some real damage. I feel like if Fox and all of Murdoch's evil were removed from society we'd be far better off.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
9. Who will do that? Who will disqualify a candidate due to conduct and association?
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 09:59 AM
Nov 2022

Used to be the mass media, remember that? If candidate, think Gary Hart, does a naughty, the national media stamped them Unqualified…and then they were dead fish, and knew it.

But with the advent of Social Media, the entertainment value of he Unqualified needs to be weighed against the damage to the country…so they entertaining fascist unqualified get a pass.

Grabbed by the pussy, and they don’t care!??

And a pass after pass after pass.

WE the people demand u fkers in national media do ur damn jobs…and not just tap dancing on Democratic folks?! Ok?? Fair enough?

Mad_Machine76

(24,412 posts)
20. I think that we have to give up the idea
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 01:09 PM
Nov 2022

that the media is going to save us. They do some good work here and there but they are overall too compromised to adequately expose the right-wing authoritarians they've been trained over the years to pander too. Heck, they just keep putting on more and more "moderate Republicans" and pushing out more left-wing/liberal journalists because they've been cowed into submission by the right so that they avoid being labled as "liberal media"

OldBaldy1701E

(5,128 posts)
22. I agree with you.
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 06:09 PM
Nov 2022

It will take a new 'media' to counteract the old. corrupted one. It will have to NOT be solely owned by one party's followers. If it cannot be unbiased, it cannot exist. Now, where this will come from or how it will be created... who the heck knows?

Mad_Machine76

(24,412 posts)
23. +1
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 06:20 PM
Nov 2022

Thankfully, we've had the blogosphere and other alternative media sources over the years but they simply can't compete with the media conglomerates that have huge piles of money to continuously shovel into the pit.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,128 posts)
24. I think it is also the fact that the old media is just that.
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 06:24 PM
Nov 2022

They have the reputations from the past to still parade about even if they don't deserve them anymore. And, as we all know, people will take the path of least resistance, as well as always putting pedestals under those who are more 'popular' than others. Hollywood ruined the news, btw.

Mad_Machine76

(24,412 posts)
25. Yes
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 06:37 PM
Nov 2022

And the rise of "Infotainment" and "Angertainment" (aka Fox News) that they have to constantly compete with.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
26. Holy Batman! Insurrectionists in control of the House and not a eyelash is batted by corporate media
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 07:44 AM
Dec 2022

This is NOT normal, get out your history books, fools!

Messege to corporate media, duck off and go away with the neutral tone for all! You want to control American minds, like Fox? Jealous? …try paying normal minds some damn respect! The normal minds! The abnormal minds are…abnormal. Say so!

Lonestarblue

(9,988 posts)
4. Given the wealth that right-wing authoritarians have amassed, along with the power their
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 09:06 AM
Nov 2022

wealth brings, they will not give up. The Koch Foundations funded some election deniers. The Mercers haven’t been in the news much, but I’m sure they’re busy begins the scenes. The Uihleins have funded some of the most radical candidates. The family that owns the company making the AR-15 assault weapon favored by mass murderers has helped fund Herschel Walker.

What all the election deniers, Walker, Boebert, Gosar and others all have in common is that they are easily manipulated by conspiracies and lies—and they aren’t too bright. They’re the foot soldiers to support the totalitarian army. They aren’t going anywhere until Republican voters wake up, which is likely never.

Wounded Bear

(58,654 posts)
13. Autocracy was the preferred system of government for most of human history...
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:07 PM
Nov 2022

Hard to get past that legacy. In difficult times, people tend to look to "strong" leaders, usually to their detriment.

orthoclad

(2,910 posts)
15. Never before in human history
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:16 PM
Nov 2022

has so much wealth (and power) been concentrated in so few hands. Billionaires everywhere running the show.

CrispyQ

(36,464 posts)
12. Publicly funded elections would go a long way to fixing this country.
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 11:46 AM
Nov 2022

But the ones who can make it happen are the very ones who benefit from the status quo. Bloomberg reports that $16.7 billion was spent on state & federal elections. What a fucking waste.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
27. The corporate media sucks on that money like a teat. The sweet milk never stops..unless one
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 07:49 AM
Dec 2022

side gets lopsided election victories, then the test is taken away. Normalizing Nazis os self preservation…and great greed, ofc. Endless circle jerk, media, American tucked up politics.

Election over? On to the next, immediately!…give us more as dough! We will normalize you and you and you!

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
8. They've had some wins too
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 09:29 AM
Nov 2022

A fascist took power in Italy. Hungary and Turkey still have authoritarians who are gaining power. China is looking increasingly authoritarian. Sure, Putin is crapping the bed in his war. Fascism lost at the ballot box in the US. Brazil rejected autocracy. But Authoritarianism in Israel and other places took a step forward.

Fla Dem

(23,668 posts)
11. They far right authoritarians have always been here and will always be here.
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 10:29 AM
Nov 2022

Nick Fuentes is just the latest in a long list of authoritarians, fascits, nazis to capture the national stage. It is mind blowing that a 24 year old kid has developed a sizeable following of likeminded American citizens.

I'm disturbed the media has given this disgusting, hate filled instigator prominence on the national stage. On the other hand, this exposure does open many people's eyes to the dangers out there to our democratic republic. We must be ever vigilant.

orthoclad

(2,910 posts)
18. Wealth is power
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 12:29 PM
Nov 2022

And within our lifetimes, the share of wealth in the US has trended steadily towards the already-rich.
The global right is the global rich, plus some shock troops like Rhodes and Tarrio.
In the US alone:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States#/media/File:US_Wealth_Inequality_-_v2.png


The bottom 50% is barely visible on that scale anymore
And people keep falling for that trickle-down nonsense, "voodoo economics" as a past Republican prez put it.

Wealth is power.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
30. True, but screw them, knowledge is more powerful, which is why the Press keep us in the dark
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 11:20 AM
Dec 2022

about how radical to the point of monstrous republicans have become.

Enough! Normal people want the country back!

orthoclad

(2,910 posts)
31. We've been trying to pit knowledge
Thu Dec 1, 2022, 12:47 PM
Dec 2022

against the power of wealth for a long, long, time. Always loses, some temporary victories.
Look at global warming. We just realized 1.5C is now impossible to hold, after 50 years of knowledge. (actually since 1896)

Knowledge is the first step. It must be followed-through.

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