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Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 12:24 PM Dec 2022

Hey FBI: If it was good enough for Black Panthers, it should be good enough for White Supremacists.



Pam Keith, Esq. @PamKeithFL · 2h
If you think there is NOTHING the FBI can preemptively do to curb the threat posed by white supremacist terrorists,
I invite you to study what the FBI did to the Black Panthers.



Of coarse, we all know that Institutional Racism does not exist.







That is all.
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Hey FBI: If it was good enough for Black Panthers, it should be good enough for White Supremacists. (Original Post) Tommymac Dec 2022 OP
This sounds a lot like CRT! Ray Bruns Dec 2022 #1
🤣 nt Tommymac Dec 2022 #2
Sounds like lessons that can be learned from history, which is sorta... brush Dec 2022 #3
If the FBI were saturated with Black Panther sympathizers during that controversy, Eyeball_Kid Dec 2022 #4
'struth! bringthePaine Dec 2022 #10
Yes the Black Panthers dared to help people IbogaProject Dec 2022 #5
Thank You for Shining the Light of Truth. Tommymac Dec 2022 #13
This. calimary Dec 2022 #16
Saint Ronnie got CA gun control orthoclad Dec 2022 #23
K&R, uponit7771 Dec 2022 #32
Yes, the Black Panthers was not terrorist organization despite the fact Solomon Dec 2022 #34
Hear Hear, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2022 #6
Fred Hampton jalan48 Dec 2022 #7
Thank You for the background. Tommymac Dec 2022 #9
I was in college when it happened. I've also read that Hoover used the Mafia during this period to jalan48 Dec 2022 #15
Like the CIA and cocaine orthoclad Dec 2022 #24
Reagan had to have his war in Central America. jalan48 Dec 2022 #28
The "War On Drugs" orthoclad Dec 2022 #29
That happened after the trial of the Chicago 8 started. Ilsa Dec 2022 #30
Post removed Post removed Dec 2022 #8
🤣👍 bringthePaine Dec 2022 #12
You thought that was funny? William769 Dec 2022 #18
no shit. bam...!!! llashram Dec 2022 #11
they did quite a job on occupy, too. mopinko Dec 2022 #14
Yes, they did. Tommymac Dec 2022 #20
I remember in the 00s, when we started to hear about Oaf Keepers Warpy Dec 2022 #17
I marched with the Singing Grannies in Cindy's 2005 Anti-War March in DC Tommymac Dec 2022 #22
Yeah I remember that! Richard58 Dec 2022 #40
Well, totally believable if you went through the antiwar 60s Warpy Dec 2022 #41
LIKE republianmushroom Dec 2022 #19
Since there are so many mentally ill white people IronLionZion Dec 2022 #21
The FBI did the same to the Weathermen and the demonstrators against the Democratic National Martin68 Dec 2022 #25
No to both. former9thward Dec 2022 #33
former8thward, I'm afraid you are wrong on both counts. Martin68 Dec 2022 #42
Your post that you made that I was replying to: former9thward Dec 2022 #43
You are right. The FBI was not involved insetting them up, just employing dirty tricks to put them Martin68 Dec 2022 #44
If Black and Brown people started buying assault-type weapons in the same quantities as their... Raster Dec 2022 #26
Fred Hampton and Mark Clark Kid Berwyn Dec 2022 #27
Wasn't there some Black Power group that got their house blown up? raging moderate Dec 2022 #31
This? ... ret5hd Dec 2022 #36
Thank you. That is it. Terrible. raging moderate Dec 2022 #39
Pennsylvania State Police bombed the MOVE commune in 1985... Kid Berwyn Dec 2022 #37
Yes. That was the one. Horrendous. raging moderate Dec 2022 #38
Great thread;. K & R Permanut Dec 2022 #35

Eyeball_Kid

(7,410 posts)
4. If the FBI were saturated with Black Panther sympathizers during that controversy,
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 12:44 PM
Dec 2022

we would have had a lot of foot-dragging and delays in prosecutions, just as we've had a lot of foot-dragging and delays in the current state of the FBI. IMO, the FBI is sullied with pro-coup, pro-Trump meat-heads, and seemingly can't focus on prosecuting Trumpian fascists because they don't want to. Perhaps Garland's switch to Jack Smith may circumvent a lot of the intra-agency conflict within the FBI.

orthoclad

(2,875 posts)
23. Saint Ronnie got CA gun control
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 02:26 PM
Dec 2022

passed when the Panthers tried armed self defense. Where was the 2WhiteA crowd then?

Fred Hampton was murdered in his sleep. Sound familiar?
COINTELPRO.

Solomon

(12,305 posts)
34. Yes, the Black Panthers was not terrorist organization despite the fact
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 11:07 PM
Dec 2022

that trying to help black people terrified a lot of white people.

jalan48

(13,798 posts)
7. Fred Hampton
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 01:03 PM
Dec 2022

He came to prominence in Chicago as deputy chairman of the national Black Panther Party and chair of the Illinois chapter. As a progressive African American, he founded the antiracist, anticlassist Rainbow Coalition,[4] a prominent multicultural political organization that initially included the Black Panthers, Young Patriots (which organized poor whites), and the Young Lords (which organized Hispanics), and an alliance among major Chicago street gangs to help them end infighting and work for social change. A Marxist–Leninist,[5][6] Hampton considered fascism the greatest threat, saying, "nothing is more important than stopping fascism, because fascism will stop us all.”[7]

In 1967, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) identified Hampton as a radical threat. It tried to subvert his activities in Chicago, sowing disinformation among black progressive groups and placing a counterintelligence operative in the local Panthers organization. In December 1969, Hampton was drugged,[8][9] shot and killed in his bed during a predawn raid at his Chicago apartment by a tactical unit of the Cook County State's Attorney's Office, who received aid from the Chicago Police Department and the FBI leading up to the attack. Law enforcement sprayed more than 90 gunshots throughout the apartment; the occupants fired once.[10] During the raid, Panther Mark Clark was also killed and several others were seriously wounded. In January 1970, the Cook County Coroner held an inquest; the jury concluded that Hampton's and Clark's deaths were justifiable homicides.[

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton#Assassination

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
9. Thank You for the background.
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 01:11 PM
Dec 2022

I was an adolescent at the time; intellectually and anecdotally I know what when on but did not have examples.

The FBI came down ruthlessly on the BP movement (among others) because of institutional racism and Hoover's legacy of rabid misogyny, bigotry, and hatred of communism and socialism.

It could go a long way towards redeeming that racist history today by going after ACTUAL WHITE SUPREMICIST TERRORISTS.

We'll see.

jalan48

(13,798 posts)
15. I was in college when it happened. I've also read that Hoover used the Mafia during this period to
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 01:25 PM
Dec 2022

flood Oakland with cheap heroin in order to destabilize the black community and thereby weaken the BP's efforts to organize the black community there. Building local communities was perceived as a radical threat by Hoover and his Fascist supporters in the government.

Ilsa

(61,675 posts)
30. That happened after the trial of the Chicago 8 started.
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 03:11 PM
Dec 2022

I was a child and didn't understand what was happening, but even then I knew that the law & order group wasn't to be trusted.

Response to Tommymac (Original post)

Warpy

(110,912 posts)
17. I remember in the 00s, when we started to hear about Oaf Keepers
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 02:05 PM
Dec 2022

and Proud Boys that the FBI had been investigating the Quakers and the Raging Grannies. Really.

They're fucking useless when it comes to domestic terrorism that actually exists, preferring to investigate groups that might organize to the point of raising taxes on billionaires. This is where they're at, they think right wing paramilitary groups are their friends.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
22. I marched with the Singing Grannies in Cindy's 2005 Anti-War March in DC
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 02:26 PM
Dec 2022

The one that the MSM was attended by a 'few thousand' protestors ...

Anyway, we were singing the whole day, and were also the target of numerous photographers in sunglasses on top of cars and walls along the route.

I don't believe they were working for American Idol.

Richard58

(239 posts)
40. Yeah I remember that!
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:19 PM
Dec 2022

When I first heard that the FBI investigated the Quakers and the Raging Granny's over their anti- war activities I just rolled my eyes. They had actually sent in undercover law enforcement to infiltrate the groups as if they were a threat to national security! But at the same time they totally ignored the violence-prone militia movements! Unbelievable!

Warpy

(110,912 posts)
41. Well, totally believable if you went through the antiwar 60s
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 03:10 PM
Dec 2022

"Spot the goons" was a frequent game we played, and they were generally pretty easy to spot.

The funny part is that they didn't need to infiltrate any of these groups, all they had to do was ask what was going on and they'd have been told. Not being fascist meant we weren't secrecy obsessed and paranoid like they were.

IronLionZion

(45,259 posts)
21. Since there are so many mentally ill white people
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 02:25 PM
Dec 2022

maybe we should start profiling them just like black or brown people? See flying while brown for some examples.

I can't wait to hear the excuses why we can't. Or we can admit that we have a white terrorism problem in this country. Along with the white mass shooter problem.

White people should not be getting the mental illness excuse when they commit violence against Americans. As if mental illness knows mainly one race.

Martin68

(22,671 posts)
25. The FBI did the same to the Weathermen and the demonstrators against the Democratic National
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 02:39 PM
Dec 2022

Convention in Chicago in 1968. But they were more likely to beat up whites and arrest them than to just shoot them on sight.

former9thward

(31,804 posts)
33. No to both.
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 10:42 PM
Dec 2022

The Chicago police beat up the 1968 Convention demonstrators. They did not need any help from the FBI. The only physical confrontation the Weatherman had was at the Days of Rage in Chicago in October, 1969. Again it was the Chicago police not the FBI that was involved. In that case however the Weatherman asked for it since they gleefully started the violence.

Martin68

(22,671 posts)
42. former8thward, I'm afraid you are wrong on both counts.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 03:25 PM
Dec 2022

Bill Ayers actually got off the charges against him because the FBI was found to have illegally wire-tapped him. For more information on FBI and the Weathermen:

https://vault.fbi.gov/Weather%20Underground%20%28Weathermen%29

Hoover founded COINTELPRO to investigate all anti-war protests and protestors. You'll find information about FI infiltration of Chicago anti-war protestors here:

https://repository.arizona.edu/bitstream/handle/10150/665810/azu_etd_hr_2022_0069_sip1_m.pdf?sequence=1

former9thward

(31,804 posts)
43. Your post that you made that I was replying to:
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 04:53 PM
Dec 2022
The FBI did the same to the Weathermen and the demonstrators against the Democratic National

Convention in Chicago in 1968. But they were more likely to beat up whites and arrest them than to just shoot them on sight.


Your post says "beat up". It does not refer to wiretapping and other non-physical attacks. Physical attacks were not carried out by the FBI against these two groups and you can't point to any.

BTW Bill Ayers got off because he was the son of Tom Ayers, Chairman of Commonwealth Edison and at the time one of the power brokers in Chicago and very rich if that counts for anything (it does).

Martin68

(22,671 posts)
44. You are right. The FBI was not involved insetting them up, just employing dirty tricks to put them
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 11:09 PM
Dec 2022

in prison. Thank you for setting me straight. Sounds like you've been brainwashed about Ayers. He won his court case based on illegal FNI wiretapping by the FBI, which has nothing to do with Chicago politics. Sorry to disillusion you.

Raster

(20,996 posts)
26. If Black and Brown people started buying assault-type weapons in the same quantities as their...
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 02:44 PM
Dec 2022

...white counterparts, the GOP would move to ban them ASAP!

Kid Berwyn

(14,651 posts)
27. Fred Hampton and Mark Clark
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 02:45 PM
Dec 2022

Last edited Tue Dec 6, 2022, 08:43 AM - Edit history (1)



J Edgar Hoover personally approved a bonus for the informant.

raging moderate

(4,281 posts)
31. Wasn't there some Black Power group that got their house blown up?
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 09:18 PM
Dec 2022

I am almost 75. I do not remember the details, but I do remember being horrified. But there was some such group that was getting too insistent, and then there was a standoff with law enforcement, and then we heard that law enforcement had attacked the building, and then we heard that the building had actually blown up. I think at least one child was killed.

Kid Berwyn

(14,651 posts)
37. Pennsylvania State Police bombed the MOVE commune in 1985...
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 08:54 AM
Dec 2022

…killed 11 people, including 5 kids, and burned down a neighborhood in the process. The confrontation followed a MOVE related incident in 1978 where a Philadelphia police officer was shot and killed.

https://www.thoughtco.com/move-philadelphia-bombing-4175986

Good memory, yours, raging moderate. Corporate McPravda doesn’t put things into context very well, or do much informing of anything of relevance, for that matter.

raging moderate

(4,281 posts)
38. Yes. That was the one. Horrendous.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 09:14 AM
Dec 2022

I had two little children myself at the time. Those poor kids who got killed.

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