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turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 06:41 PM Dec 2022

Experts shocked as Gorsuch angrily accuses Colorado of forcing anti-LGBTQ baker into 're-education p

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Experts shocked as Gorsuch angrily accuses Colorado of forcing anti-LGBTQ baker into ‘re-education program’

By David Badash, The New Civil Rights Movement
Published December 05, 2022

U.S. Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch appeared angry and even hostile at several points throughout Monday’s oral arguments in a case brought by a Colorado right-wing evangelical Christian website designer who is suing the state because she wants to be able to discriminate against same-sex couples who are getting married.

The case, 303 Creative LLC v. Elenis, promises to be one of the most important of the term, and arguments extended more than two hours.

During one of the more heated moments, conservative Justice Gorsuch attacked Colorado Solicitor General Eric Olson, claiming the state forced an infamous anti-LGBTQ baker who also went before the Supreme Court, winning his 2018 case in a very narrow ruling, into a “re-education program.”

https://www.rawstory.com/experts-shocked-as-gorsuch-angrily-accuses-colorado-of-forcing-anti-lgbtq-baker-into-re-education-program/

And just think this "judge" got on this court with dark money from the federalist society with help from that senator from Kentucky......#Moscow Mitch...... he just eviscerated the Constitution and Article II Section 2 to have this jerk on the bench....


Senator Sheldon Whitehouse has it right in his book:

The Scheme: How the Right Wing Used Dark Money to Capture the Supreme Court Hardcover– October 18, 2022

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Experts shocked as Gorsuch angrily accuses Colorado of forcing anti-LGBTQ baker into 're-education p (Original Post) turbinetree Dec 2022 OP
Am I the only one who checked to see if this was the Onion? Walleye Dec 2022 #1
No, it's Americas top court copycating Saudi Arabia courts, Catholic Christian-style! Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2022 #7
WTF? Here is the audio of the exchange. emulatorloo Dec 2022 #2
I Think We Can Actually See Vividly Here the Need for an Expanded Program of Education The Roux Comes First Dec 2022 #4
Nauseating that it has come to this Hekate Dec 2022 #3
The Subversive 6 on the Extreme Court want to force everyone to obey their twisted religion. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2022 #5
Maria law is equivalent to Sharia law. LastDemocratInSC Dec 2022 #25
I wouldn't buy bird crumbs from the baker Marthe48 Dec 2022 #6
it should be required they advertise exactly who they won't serve Skittles Dec 2022 #30
Hey Neil BlueIdaho Dec 2022 #8
The masks keep slipping off these lying right-wing justices one-by-one. hadEnuf Dec 2022 #9
+1 n/t area51 Dec 2022 #11
Masks? inthewind21 Dec 2022 #32
Well, many Democrats gave them the benefit of the doubt based on their conformation testimony. hadEnuf Dec 2022 #36
When will they rule that an LGBTQ person counts as 3/5 of a straight person in representation? Walleye Dec 2022 #10
I know. Makes no sense moose65 Dec 2022 #13
I didn't know that. That makes it even more batshit Walleye Dec 2022 #15
Makes you Rebl2 Dec 2022 #18
Drumpf will remove that pesky Constitution for him. UTUSN Dec 2022 #12
if they get to discriminate, make them put a sign on the door so demigoddess Dec 2022 #14
Um, people already have the right to discriminate in who they buy goods and services from n/t markpkessinger Dec 2022 #39
This is why I'll never "get over" the 2016 election liberalmediaaddict Dec 2022 #16
In theory we don't want a majority. We want non-partisan jurists. plimsoll Dec 2022 #22
Who knew? inthewind21 Dec 2022 #33
This apple didn't fall far from the tree grantcart Dec 2022 #17
They seem emboldened now that their chicanery is being revealed tishaLA Dec 2022 #19
We knew he was an "ultra" and I hate the word "conservative" because they are anything but. n/t Evolve Dammit Dec 2022 #20
Gorsuch lied in his opinion about prayer after HS football games John1956PA Dec 2022 #21
Exactly . . . markpkessinger Dec 2022 #38
Thanks. Later, Gorsuch et al. will use these groomed cases as precedent to further push their agenda John1956PA Dec 2022 #40
Colorado should just ignore the ruling that I feel is coming. roamer65 Dec 2022 #23
Gorsuch is an illegitimate member of SCOTUS. Maraya1969 Dec 2022 #24
Where is an errant beer truck when Neil, Brett, and Amy are stumbling out of a bar Kennah Dec 2022 #26
I think this is because Gorsuch newdayneeded Dec 2022 #27
She doesn't want to make a website for Bluesaph Dec 2022 #28
it's being heard BECAUSE Skittles Dec 2022 #31
The hackiest of all hacky courts! Bluesaph Dec 2022 #41
Gorsuch clearly conceives his job as including pushing toxic RW political lies, Hortensis Dec 2022 #29
The fascists on the court are catapulting RW lies dalton99a Dec 2022 #34
This case could have very wide ranging consequences. panader0 Dec 2022 #35
I was glad Olson resisted . . . markpkessinger Dec 2022 #37

emulatorloo

(44,116 posts)
2. WTF? Here is the audio of the exchange.
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 06:46 PM
Dec 2022

So glad Olson stood up to him.

It is in the second tweet in this link:




If you have time, read the tweets below it.


The Roux Comes First

(1,298 posts)
4. I Think We Can Actually See Vividly Here the Need for an Expanded Program of Education
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 07:18 PM
Dec 2022

Not merely to help bigoted citizens understand what it means to comply with the law but also to help corrupt self-entitled SC judges, several of whom perjured themselves to get the gig, get a grip on their responsibilities to the rule of law and the American people and their rights.

Marthe48

(16,935 posts)
6. I wouldn't buy bird crumbs from the baker
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 07:47 PM
Dec 2022

wouldn't buy whatever the latest a**hole is selling.

Let's never forget, , gorsuch is a lying, unelected, fascist illegally appointed to sit on the bench of the (formerly) s.c.

Skittles

(153,149 posts)
30. it should be required they advertise exactly who they won't serve
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 07:58 AM
Dec 2022

so we can ALL avoid these fucking bigots

hadEnuf

(2,187 posts)
9. The masks keep slipping off these lying right-wing justices one-by-one.
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 08:18 PM
Dec 2022

Good grief, expand the court and make these fascists irrelevant before they can do any more damage to this country.

We know they will.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
32. Masks?
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 09:42 AM
Dec 2022

Is there really anyone in this country besides "concerned" Susan Collins that was fooled by ANY of them?

hadEnuf

(2,187 posts)
36. Well, many Democrats gave them the benefit of the doubt based on their conformation testimony.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 11:39 AM
Dec 2022

But it's clear that they all lied through their teeth.

Walleye

(31,008 posts)
10. When will they rule that an LGBTQ person counts as 3/5 of a straight person in representation?
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 08:34 PM
Dec 2022

And these people bringing the lawsuits. I don’t understand why a small business person would turn down good business like this.

moose65

(3,166 posts)
13. I know. Makes no sense
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 09:09 PM
Dec 2022

Small businesses can’t afford to turn away business.

I still don’t understand how this person can bring a suit against Colorado when no gay couple has yet asked her to design a wedding site. She’s suing before the fact? I don’t get it.

Rebl2

(13,492 posts)
18. Makes you
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 09:24 PM
Dec 2022

wonder if some maga person/group quietly paid her to do this. I would think that no gay couple would want anyone like this designing their wedding site anyway. I would think they wouldn’t want anyone like this to bake the cake or provide any food for the wedding.

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
14. if they get to discriminate, make them put a sign on the door so
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 09:17 PM
Dec 2022

people can discriminate who they buy from. Rights go both ways.

liberalmediaaddict

(766 posts)
16. This is why I'll never "get over" the 2016 election
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 09:19 PM
Dec 2022

Everytime this theocratic Federalist Society Supreme Court holds a hearing or makes another "own the libs" ruling I'm reminded of the consequences of the 2016 election.

If 80,000 votes in 3 states had gone the other way Hillary would have been elected President and we'd have a majority on the Supreme Court right now.

plimsoll

(1,668 posts)
22. In theory we don't want a majority. We want non-partisan jurists.
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 09:44 PM
Dec 2022

Robertson mouthed the words, but wasn't going to follow through. The unethical 6.

Who knew that Federalist meant unethical.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
17. This apple didn't fall far from the tree
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 09:22 PM
Dec 2022

Mom thought dumping garbage into the ocean was a form of recycling.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
19. They seem emboldened now that their chicanery is being revealed
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 09:25 PM
Dec 2022

Like the masks are completely off now. And their Chief Justice is working hard to go down as the worst in history.

John1956PA

(2,654 posts)
21. Gorsuch lied in his opinion about prayer after HS football games
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 09:41 PM
Dec 2022

These cases are groomed so that the issues can be heard by the conservative court which, in the case involving prayer after high school football games, overturns precedent establishing separation of church and state.

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
38. Exactly . . .
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 11:47 AM
Dec 2022

. . . And this case in particular especially falls into the the "groomed" category. There isn't even an underlying dispute, because no one actually asked this designer to design a web site for a same sex wedding!

John1956PA

(2,654 posts)
40. Thanks. Later, Gorsuch et al. will use these groomed cases as precedent to further push their agenda
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:22 PM
Dec 2022

The case about prayer after high school football games sets the precedent of "tradition." (Gorsuch lied to find that such a tradition existed in the facts of that case.) Down the line, the "tradition" standard will be used to justify static nativity displays on government property.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
23. Colorado should just ignore the ruling that I feel is coming.
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 10:01 PM
Dec 2022

Ignore it just as states with recreational MJ laws ignore the federal ones.

newdayneeded

(1,955 posts)
27. I think this is because Gorsuch
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:00 AM
Dec 2022

is lonely. He doesn't have many friends. I think Joe should help him by expanding the court and give him 4 fresh new friends to hang with.

Bluesaph

(703 posts)
28. She doesn't want to make a website for
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 04:33 AM
Dec 2022

An imaginary future customer? Why is this even being heard? She has no standing because she was never aggrieved.

Ridiculous.

Skittles

(153,149 posts)
31. it's being heard BECAUSE
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 08:03 AM
Dec 2022

repukes worked long and hard to hack the Supreme Court and they cannot WAIT for real cases, they want results NOW

Bluesaph

(703 posts)
41. The hackiest of all hacky courts!
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:47 PM
Dec 2022

It’s obvious to even a non lawyer that no one has been injured so there should not be a case.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
29. Gorsuch clearly conceives his job as including pushing toxic RW political lies,
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 05:44 AM
Dec 2022

putting his imprimature as a high court justice on Fox and OAN propaganda. I've heard and seen him before (initially eliciting appalled dismay from me) push blatant Fox lies. Something we're not accustomed to seeing out of SCOTUS.

To get all angry on behalf of the lies... What would his "judicial temperament" be measured at? -50? How about simple honesty and morality? What a horrible national mistake.

Not to forget, this happened on OUR watch. Democracy's as good or bad as the commitment to it of its people. Those capable of understanding and caring, anyway. It was never everyone.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
35. This case could have very wide ranging consequences.
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 09:58 AM
Dec 2022

If 303 Creative LLC is allowed to refuse services to same sex couples, it opens the door to refusing
services for just about any reason. Religion, skin color, the repercussions are endless.

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
37. I was glad Olson resisted . . .
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 11:42 AM
Dec 2022

. . . but I gotta say, overall, I thought Olson did a lackluster job. Very disappointing.

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