Glenn Greenwald: Criticism of Matt Taibbi is "stochastic terrorism" and incitement to violence

[Temeret]

Everyone: Kanye says the craziest stuff.
Greenwald: Hold my beer.

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[Lunabell]

1. Man, those two dudes fell deep into that rabbit hole.

Cenk Uygur too. Ugly times.

[Mopar151]

3. Anything in common in their downfalls?

I used to respect Matt Tabbi, but somewhere along, he took the brown acid.

[LenaBaby61]

4. They can just take their asses and bounce on over to russia .....

[Lunabell]

14. Agreed!

They can go do vodka shots with Eddie Snowdon. Maybe they'll get conscripted.

[Bev54]

15. Really? Taibbi showed his colours a long time ago during "Russia gate" and

Butina's role in her seducing republicans. He failed to take into account the court filings and decisions in so much of his reporting. Not a good reporter and Greenwald has been a creep for years.

[emulatorloo]

16. Yes, Vladimir Putin. Taibbi started his career in Russia, sexually harrasing

Russian woman who worked for him for blowjobs and unprotected anal sex.

I expect the KGB has a very thick file of Kompromat on Matt. He called the Mueller investigation a ‘HOAX’. He denied men at the NRA were having sex with Russia spy Butina when they were.

As to Greenwald, he got on the Putin train at the intercept. He’s never been a “jounalist”, he’s basically an Op-Ed author pretending to be a journalist.

[yardwork]

35. Both have close connections to Russia, apparently.

They seem to be reading scripts for pay. Similar to Tucker Carlson.

[Cha]

2. Shut up, Vultures of

a feather.

I'll critique Taibbi anyway I want.. you too, putin puppet.

[emulatorloo]

24. ++++

[Earth-shine]

5. In his most recent podcast, Keith Olbermann apologized for introducing Taibbi to MSNBC.

I used to think Taibbi was one of the good guys. I think he actually was, but then got high on his own supply.

[emulatorloo]

17. Great for KO, I'll have to listen.

[grantcart]

6. "Tucker Carlson is not Un-American" Matt Taibbi

No wonder GG is a fan

[progressoid]

11. Well,

to a certain extent that statement is correct. Sadly a vast number of people see him as quintessentially American.

[grantcart]

12. Yes but American/Un-American is not meant to ascribe a

Refection of some aspects of the American public but rather a reflection of basic American principles and values that are captured in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution wich TC does not reflect.

[Initech]

7. I highly doubt Glenn knows what the word "stochastic" means.

[2naSalit]

8. He can...

Crawl back under his rock and fuck the hell off.

[highplainsdem]

9. That's insane.

[JohnSJ]

10. Taibbi, Greenwald, Gabbard, etc. all self-righteous fools, who fooled a good number of people

full of sound and fury, signifying NOTHING

[yardwork]

37. I think they all work for the same guy.

[JohnSJ]

38. sure seems that way

[ismnotwasm]

13. Those fuckers showed their true colors long ago

Not surprised. Like, at all.

[emulatorloo]

18. A couple of sane tweets in the replies are calling out Glenn's BS

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OTOH the MAGAS and Glenn fanboys are eating his disingenuous bullshit up with a spoon.

[betsuni]

21. +1

[blogslug]

19. Glenn needs to look in a mirror

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Elizabeth Spiers @espiers

GG has spent endless time on this website directing his followers to women on this site for purposes of harassment (ask @TaylorLorenz about rape and death threats) but he's making an argument here that Matt is in danger because people are calling him a reactionary.

and

No, Glenn, you craven troll. People don't show up in your DMs threatening to rape you bc another journalist says your work is bad. They do that when someone like you goes on Tucker Carlson and spreads conspiracies. Don't pretend you're suddenly concerned for other people's safety

[betsuni]

20. Yer just jealous? Violence from whom, exactly? Oh, Glenn.

His fans are trying to gaslight that this is satire. Um, no.

[emulatorloo]

22. Yeah the satire claims are ludicrous. Glenn doesn't have a satire mode, just a faux outrage mode.

[betsuni]

23. Yes, it's ludicrous. He's incapable of satire.

[Tarc]

25. That combover really ain't working for him

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

26. Oh just STFU Greenwald

Your fake indignation isn't persuading anyone.

[Sympthsical]

27. You're not understanding the reference

Greenwald is referencing something Yoel Roth (former head Twitter censor) said on a panel about various ideological things being stochastic terrorism. (i.e. any politics I don't like).

He's being snarky.

This is why I keep telling people to read outside the bubbles. The Yoel reference has been everywhere, and no one here seems to know it.

[muriel_volestrangler]

28. And yet, he copied the FBI in on the tweet, which indicate he's serious

and I wouldn't say the reference has been "everywhere"; I google "Yoel Roth" "stochastic terrorism", and the first result is a reply to a Roth tweet; the second is your post itself. There are a few pages that contain both his name and 'stochastic terrorism', but none quoting him using the term.

Maybe it wasn't Roth, but someone else you're thinking of?

[Sympthsical]

30. It's snark

It was Roth. He was speaking at a Knight's Foundation function. The topic at hand had to do with Twitter's suspending the Babylon Bee (a right-wing satirical publication), because they didn't like an anti-trans joke they were making. Roth's view is any joke about the community is de facto stochastic terrorism.

Free speech advocates disagree, and there have been conversations around Roth's claims that any disliked speech is a form of violence and thus deserves censoring.

That's the debate. Hence Greenwald's reference, that anyone who doesn't like what Taibbi is saying is committing a form of violence.

It's a direct reference. I understood it. People here did not, took it at face value, and just charged forward with it.

[muriel_volestrangler]

32. No, I saw one reference to that, and it was the RW reporter who mentioned "stochastic terrorism"

("Post Millennial" ). Roth was defending the suspension because they had a "no misgendering" policy (and didn't feel like saying "but it's OK if the poster thinks it's funny" ). He said "not only is it not funny, but it is dangerous, and it does contribute to an environment that makes people unsafe in the world". Because, if you haven't heard, trans people get death threats. It was not about "any joke", it was about misgendering, and whether that contributes to an unsafe environment. Calling someone a useless journalist does not make them unsafe.

No, Greenwald is not, in any meaningful sense, referring to anything like stirring up trans hatred. And your example is not "everywhere", it's in one RW publication, so no wonder no one else thinks they're connected. You must just have remembered the Post Millennial article, misremembered it as having Roth saying "stochastic terrorism", and then made a connection that wasn't there.

[Sympthsical]

33. I read spaces on the Right

And various places on Reddit. Because reading things I don't agree with is important to be informed.

Look, it's fine if it didn't cross your path and many of the Twitter responses. Yeah, yeah, bubbles.

But I didn't read it in the Post Millennial first, nor did I see that article until I googled re: this thread. I first read about it in a speech/Twitter debate elsewhere.

The perils of having a broad information net vs a narrow one, I suppose.

I honestly don't care. It's just another day of people not reading outside the village. So, a Tuesday basically. Be of good cheer that the villagers will all agree.

[muriel_volestrangler]

34. You're confusing "RW talking shops" with "everywhere"

It's notable that wherever you saw it (and are you now agreeing that Roth didn't say "stochastic terrorism"?), it doesn't show up in a google search, so probably somewhere very obscure, or that doesn't allow indexing by search engines. Twitter and Reddit do allow indexing.

The thing about "bubbles" and "villages" goes both ways - RW sources attribute things incorrectly, claim Roth said something he didn't, and then convince each other he did. Thankfully, this does not seem to have spread beyond their bubble.

[demmiblue]

36. +1

[betsuni]

29. Where?

[Sympthsical]

31. The source that initially made the rounds was Kara Swisher's podcast

With Roth's comments at the Knight's Foundation about his decision to suspend the Babylon Bee (right-wing satire outlet).

Can't really link anything here, because none of the "approved" places are discussing it.

But Swisher's podcast is on Apple and Spotify.