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Mon Dec 5, 2022, 11:02 PM

On Grave-Dancing

Once again, a famous person who held distasteful political beliefs has passed away, and the grave-dancing has commenced. This time it was Kirstie Alley, an actress famous mostly for her long-standing role on Cheers. She was also an avowed conservative (although she withdrew her support for TFG in 2020 and announced she wouldn't vote for either candidate), and a Scientologist. Accordingly, some seem to think it's OK to celebrate her death because she's an "enemy."

Really?

My own criteria for acceptable grave-dancing (YMMV) upon the death of someone whose politics we deplore require considering the following factors:

1. Was the person currently causing a significant amount of social discord, suffering, or other trouble such that their demise will make a noticeable difference in people's lives? Or were they old adversaries who were no longer involved in any kind of public life; or people whose impact was merely annoying, but insignificant?

2. Did they have family, friends and/or associates who genuinely loved them, or were they so disagreeable or toxic that they won't be missed by anyone?

3. Did they ever do anything good or useful, irrespective of their politics; i.e., did they support good causes, donate generously to charities, or provide entertainment through their art, music, acting, etc.? Were they kind to children and animals? Or were they consistently greedy, uncharitable, mean, disinclined to help people or do anything to make their lives easier?

4. Did they contribute negatively or positively to public discourse; that is to say, did they express their opinions, however wrong-headed they might have seemed, courteously and rationally, or as insulting, hateful trolls?

Applying these criteria, I can't think of any reason to dance on Kirstie Alley's grave. She was just an actress with political opinions contrary to mine. I also didn't dance on the graves of John McCain, George H.W. and Barbara Bush, or Bob Dole. I didn't agree with them but I didn't hate them. In fact, the only graves I can anticipate dancing on, and might even do so with pleasure, would be Trump's and Putin's. They meet all of my negative criteria. As to other "enemies," I offer the wise words of Walt Whitman, from Leaves of Grass, written following the Civil War.

RECONCILIATION.

WORD over all, beautiful as the sky!
Beautiful that war, and all its deeds of carnage, must in
time be utterly lost;
That the hands of the sisters Death and Night, incessantly
softly wash again, and ever again, this soil'd world:
…For my enemy is dead—a man divine as myself is dead;
I look where he lies, white-faced and still, in the coffin—I
draw near;
I bend down and touch lightly with my lips the white face
in the coffin.

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Ocelot II Dec 5 OP
48656c6c6f20 Dec 5 #1
Xavier Breath Dec 5 #3
FirstLight Dec 5 #2
UTUSN Dec 5 #4
iemanja Dec 6 #18
brush Dec 6 #22
iemanja Dec 6 #53
UTUSN Dec 6 #24
iemanja Dec 6 #51
UTUSN Dec 6 #56
iemanja Dec 6 #75
kentuck Dec 5 #5
The Grand Illuminist Dec 5 #6
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DENVERPOPS Dec 6 #28
milestogo Dec 5 #7
GoCubsGo Dec 5 #8
debm55 Dec 6 #46
stopdiggin Dec 5 #9
Just A Box Of Rain Dec 6 #55
summer_in_TX Dec 5 #10
luv2fly Dec 5 #11
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Ocelot II Dec 5 #13
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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Mon Dec 5, 2022, 11:03 PM

1. Well

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Response to 48656c6c6f20 (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 5, 2022, 11:19 PM

3. I wholeheartedly disagree with the sentiment expressed here

but that gif

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Mon Dec 5, 2022, 11:12 PM

2. Thank you! well said

Grave dancing is a surefire way to rack up some bad Karma IMO.

Honestly, I don't plan on dancing on TFG's grave, I'd rather see him in prison first

I'm more shocked at Kirstie Alley's age...I didn't realize she'd hit 70. She wasn't my cup of tea but she did make some good art and humor.. RIP

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Mon Dec 5, 2022, 11:25 PM

4. Well, do any of those anti-us (bad ideology) deceased ones think about the hurt to others

that their horrible ideological/"religious" beliefs have for others?






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Response to UTUSN (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:18 AM

18. What did she do with those politics?

As far as I know, nothing. I never even knew she was conservative, so she couldn't have been that loud about it.

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Response to iemanja (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:45 AM

22. Same here. All I knew her for post-Cheers was gain tons of weight...

then losing it then gaining it back then losing then gaining it back.

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Response to brush (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 11:00 AM

53. Now they are saying she is a scientologist

I guess I had heard that at some point.

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Response to iemanja (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:53 AM

24. Wrong beliefs/policies have bad/wrong effects. Can't give you personal, specific details.

I said I liked her early charisma. if somebody with that used it our/my way it would be exponentially good. That's all I've got.

Nite!






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Response to UTUSN (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 10:57 AM

51. Specific details about something I've never heard about?

I said I had never heard she was a conservative, yet according to you--and tell me if I'm wrong-- even holding beliefs we may disagree with means her death should be celebrated? Is that correct? Anyone who isn't a Democratic isn't a human being worthy of respect? Is that your view?

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Response to iemanja (Reply #51)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:00 PM

56. Whew, that's so far a leap that I won't even take it personally

but is enlightening about posts/posters to avoid.






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Response to UTUSN (Reply #56)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 07:00 PM

75. This thread is in the context of grave dancing

You defended grave dancing of conservatives because, you noted, the policies have destructive consequences. Is that not what you said?

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Mon Dec 5, 2022, 11:28 PM

5. Leaves of Grass is one of the best reads..

peace

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Mon Dec 5, 2022, 11:29 PM

6. Playing Devil's advocate this time...

We have to look at this old DU thread and think.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214310272

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Response to The Grand Illuminist (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:25 AM

26. Thanks for the link

I tried to kick but it ain’t happening.
Software won’t bring it out of 2020

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Response to The Grand Illuminist (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:27 AM

28. Good commentary

and also a previous thought provoking DU article.

There are puhlenty of Republicans to Despise ahead of some lowly retired actress...............

My candidate listing of most despicable would include, beyond Putin and Trump, Trump's spawn, Jared, The entire Republican Senate, DeSatan, a number of other State Governors starting with Texas, the entire Reagan Administration including HW, and the entire administration of WBush for starters. Very high on the list would be Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld............

The possibilities are endless......

It is rumored that Donald Trump has picked out his burial site, and the Cemetery has readied his plot. For starters, they have covered a football field sized area with concrete, complete with surface drains every four feet in all directions......

The Democrats need to get ALOT tougher, for dealing with the ruthless Republicans, but not to just pick on old, retired, TV stars..........

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Mon Dec 5, 2022, 11:38 PM

7. Because for some people spreading shit is irresistable and keeping quiet is impossible.

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Mon Dec 5, 2022, 11:38 PM

8. I recall that she also had some terrible addiction issues.

She went through stretches where she was a total mess, and I suspect that did a number on her head. It's probably how she got sucked into Scientology. It's hard to dance on the grave of someone with her kinds of issues.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 08:26 AM

46. It was cocaine, she was in rehab, came out clean but found Scientology

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Mon Dec 5, 2022, 11:41 PM

9. to have no charity at all

is a shallow thing, missing some key element of humanity. There are undoubtedly some few that deserve none, and would make a mockery of efforts otherwise. But - if they become legion - then perhaps look to your own compass and yardstick.

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 11:09 AM

55. Beautifully stated.

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Mon Dec 5, 2022, 11:43 PM

10. Kirstie Alley has loved ones hurting right now.

They may have held the same or opposite views as hers, but either way, they should not have to deal with people trashing her. She's dead, she's no longer able to stand up to the criticism, and her kids and relatives did nothing to deserve it.

If there are valid critiques to make, a time of truce during the mourning period seems considerate.


Thank you, Ocelot! What a beautiful poem from Whitman. It's been too long since I read Leaves of Grass.

This resonated with me:
…For my enemy is dead—a man divine as myself is dead;
I look where he lies, white-faced and still, in the coffin—I
draw near;
I bend down and touch lightly with my lips the white face
in the coffin.

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Mon Dec 5, 2022, 11:47 PM

11. Thank you for your thoughtful post. I can't help but imagine ...

... that Kirstie, or the next person some here deem worthy of grave-dancing, has a relative, however close or distant, who lurks on DU because they share the values so many here gloriously hold. I further imagine how horrible it might feel to read the hatred some hold in their hearts. No matter how loathsome the opinions of some might be, there are people who love and care about that person, and they are in pain. It's just not good to celebrate that.

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Mon Dec 5, 2022, 11:55 PM

12. On this site I truly only grave danced on one

person, rush Limbaugh. I will take back absolutely not one word of it.

There's one other person on this planet that will get plenty from me too, I'll give you 2 guesses who that is.

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Response to newdayneeded (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 5, 2022, 11:59 PM

13. Limbaugh met my negative criteria also.

I wasn't sorry when he departed, nor will I feel sorry when TFG goes to his eternal reward. Very few people were as irredeemably poisonous and damaging, dare I say evil (a word I use very carefully) as those two.

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Response to Ocelot II (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:05 AM

15. It's hard to comprehend the damage rush did.

Today's evil right wing is 100% from his mouth. He made millions of once neighbors turn to hate.

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:00 AM

14. I'll save a spot on Rush's grave for you, flamenco?

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:15 AM

16. I had no idea that she was conservative

Nor do I really care. I don't celebrate the death of people because I happen to disagree with them.

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:17 AM

17. I'm not a fan of grave dancing either. The only people I'm ever relieved to hear they died...

are serial killers, rapists, child molesters, mass murderers and genocidal maniacs. There are probably a few others but mostly it's the worst of the worst.

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:22 AM

19. On watering the grave?

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:24 AM

20. I tend to agree w your well thought out post... A very, very few would be on my list...

tfg ( in prison!)
Putin (even if I wasn't a half 2nd gen Ukrainian-American)

Oh, I was sooo happy when Rushbo bit the dust. Him on our WABC-AM radio here in NYC. No apologies. The sheer damage over ?nearly 2 decades to our country is almost incalculable!
The Poison he spread!!!!!

.


Maaaaybe D Chenbey, and Rumsfeld.

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:43 AM

21. I don't care.

If one feels the need to grave dance I will not criticize. If it makes you feel better, do it. I'm sure that not one person in her circle of family or friends actually gives a shit. Nor will they ever even see it. So, dance away if it makes you feel better.

RIP Kirsty. Sorry you were such a political dumbass, but you were great on Cheers.

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Response to Lunabell (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:53 AM

31. I don't really care, either.

I feel like grave dancing may not be my thing. When Rush died, I breathed a sigh of relief and said "Good riddance." I was glad he was gone, but felt no other emotion beyond that. I don't blame anyone for doing a graveyard dance for him, just didn't feel the urge myself.

Sometimes I wonder what I'll feel when TFG is gone, other than enormous relief. I definitely believe the world will be a better place without him in it.

I will not miss Kirstie Alley, and I will neither mourn nor celebrste her passing. Whatever views she held, I'm sure she did not do a tiny fraction of the damage done by either Trump or Limbaugh to this country or the world as a whole.

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Response to ShazzieB (Reply #31)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:03 AM

32. I did a nice little dance after Herman Cain died of covid.

That was just stupid and antivaxxers who die from covid deserve a jig or two.

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Response to Lunabell (Reply #32)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 08:18 AM

45. In his case though, he never had the opportunity to get vaccinated (as it wasn't out yet)

He should have masked up though with his past health issues.

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:49 AM

23. I agree, she had no influece on people politically

and the 2nd half of her life just seemed mostly sad. She became very unhealthy and hateful . It's like she stopped caring .

But this isn't someone like Limbaugh, Alex Jones, Trump and many others .

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Response to JI7 (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 09:06 AM

47. She did enough to get attention.

And he sees through this.


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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:54 AM

25. Walt Whitman's poem is very moving -- and you are wise

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:27 AM

27. I honestly don't care about Kirstie Alley's politics.

At least she didn't try to overthrow the government and murder half of Congress and their own sitting vice president.

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Response to Initech (Reply #27)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 07:40 AM

41. She did try to downplay and give comfort.

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:29 AM

29. Thank you... nt

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:39 AM

30. ❤️

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:04 AM

33. Shocking

This is the first that I’m hearing of her death. So sudden and unexpected. Kirstie was a first rate actress who excelled at both comedic and serious roles. I didn’t know or care about her political views.

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 03:31 AM

34. Even Mob bosses will show up to another Mob boss funeral that was their enemy.

And pay their respects.

There are people who have insulted me and my family and have died. Some even insulted my late father, when I heard of their demise, I took no celebration in it.

I decided not to be like the pitiful people they were.

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 03:52 AM

35. Some are calling it Karma

So when a Democrat dies, is it also karma?

I really didn't pay that much attention to Kirstie. She was just another celeb to me.
I know some celebs are into kooky stuff.

I don't think she caused any harm to the world.

For those who enjoyed her, then they enjoyed her.
She was good on Cheers.

People don't bash the lead actress from The Handmaiden's Tale because she's a scientologist,

Moss practices Scientology[56][57] and identifies as a feminist.[58] After a fan questioned whether her role in the Hulu series The Handmaid's Tale made her think about her involvement with the Church of Scientology, Moss defended her beliefs on Instagram, writing that the idea that Gilead in the series and Scientology "both believe that all outside sources are wrong or evil", as the fan had described, is "actually not true at all". She continued, "Religious freedom and tolerance and understanding the truth and equal rights for every race, religion and creed are extremely important to me."[59]

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 04:04 AM

36. If Scientology is a reason for grave-dancing...

...then you're going to have to dance on the graves of half the people in Hollywood. Joining Scientology is kind of "the thing to do" for actors.

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 04:23 AM

37. She supported dump

Voted for him and then as I hear would not even vote against fascism second time around. That makes her a fascist and a hateful person who was part of the cause of a lot of harm. That is all I need to know. Scientology is also a crazy, fascist like cult that harms people. Stating the obvious is not gd. Think what could have been and the harm that would not have happened if next to no one had voted for that monster

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Response to Meowmee (Reply #37)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 10:45 AM

49. I agree. If you don't fight back against Fascism then you are a fascist.

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Response to Handler (Reply #49)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:28 PM

67. That has always been my opinion

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Response to Meowmee (Reply #37)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 11:06 AM

54. Actually, in October of 2020 she withdrew her endorsement of TFG.

https://people.com/politics/kirstie-alley-not-endorsing-donald-trump/ If you're gonna hate on somebody after they're dead, at least get your facts right.

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Response to Ocelot II (Reply #54)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:28 PM

66. Pointing out what she did and what she was is not hate or grave dancing

I am pointing out that she was a fascist who voted for him. She went on fox news to flaunt it. Maybe she withdrew her support, or maybe she felt the need to pretend to for whatever reason, that does not make what she did right in any way. You might not like me saying this, but it’s wrong, very wrong, what she did. It caused a lot of harm and people are going to continue to call out her and others who are fascists as they should.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kirstie-alley-dead_n_638e99fbe4b0214ec982773c

“Alley was also outspoken about politics in recent years and was one of few Hollywood celebrities to support Donald Trump in the 2016 and 2020 elections. She also expressed support for the violent rioters who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 last year following Trump losing his bid for reelection.”

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 04:35 AM

38. I didn't even know she died.

I was ignorant of her politics, so all I can feel,is sadness, which I do for most deaths.

When tfg goes, I suspect relief will be my first emotion.

I don’t celebrate anyone’s death. Seems a sad thing to do.

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 06:47 AM

39. One of the best things about threads like these...

... is I get to add to my always growing ignore list. Makes DU a better place for me. Some of the venom in this thread is disturbing.

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Response to luv2fly (Reply #39)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 07:46 AM

42. True dat.

The same folks who say they never wish ill on anyone.

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 07:10 AM

40. I follow my mom's (RIP) lead

In that grave dancing is unacceptable. FULL STOP

This is not to say that when GOPers suffer some kind of political loss, that I don't celebrate. I most certainly do.

But I won't celebrate when a GOPer dies, gets sick, or is harmed by accidents or violence. My mother would not approve.

I don't pretend that it would be fair of me to expect others to follow suit. Everyone has to make that call for themselves.

I also won't pretend that I am free of judgment. When I see the grave dancing, it hurts my heart, probably because my mom taught me that it SHOULD hurt my heart.

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Response to MissMillie (Reply #40)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 07:47 AM

43. You're a good person.

Thanks for this.

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #43)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 08:00 AM

44. I'm as flawed and the next person

This is just a lesson from my mom that stuck with me.

Back in '81, when Reagan was shot, my friend and I had stopped by my house to pick up something (I don't remember what) for some after-school activity. The Reagan shooting came on the TV and my friend said "Good!" My mother lit into her as if she had been the one to pull the trigger.

Let me add, my mother was NEVER a Reagan fan.

But she was a person who tried to live her life in the "WWJD?" example. She wasn't perfect, but the world was truly a better place with her in it--for everyone that knew her.

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Response to MissMillie (Reply #44)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 10:48 AM

50. Mine was the same.

Got it.

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 09:08 AM

48. My creed is "wish harm upon nobody"

because what comes around goes around.
Instead I wish for people to be better and for them to have compassion, empathy, and understanding for others.
Only love beats hate.

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 11:00 AM

52. Bust a move.

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:12 PM

57. Is speaks volumes about someone who grave dances.

Thank you for calling out inappropriate behavior, Ocelot.




I didn't agree with Kirstie Alley's political views. However she did open a literacy and tutoring center in her hometown of Wichita, Kansas called Lillie's Learning Place.

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:22 PM

58. Yes. The Dead Can Do No Further Harm.

They are simply dead.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #58)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:03 PM

63. With all due respect, they can.

Far too often, we allow a terrible person to be eulogized as if they weren;t terrible. That serves to nomralize terrible people and contributes to the overall normalization of crappy, harmful behavior.

Kirstie Alley was not a good person. And she actively tried to make the world a worse place.

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Response to Happy Hoosier (Reply #63)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:25 PM

65. She can do that no longer.

She cannot do anything. She is dead.

That fact is a matter of almost no interest to me. She has never been of any interest to me. She was an actor.

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:39 PM

59. My sentiments exactly. Life is too short to spend time rejoicing other people's deaths.

We are all on the same conveyor belt.

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:50 PM

60. Grave dancing has the same effect that 'thoughts and prayers' do

that is, no effect; and certainly no effect on the deceased.

Grave dancing is (all things being equal) without consequence, so any sanctimony I might dress myself in at the expense of others for engaging in it, or the smug self-righteousness I may feel at staying silent, is also meaningless. As grandad used to tell me: it ain't gonna change the taste of mustard.

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Response to Torchlight (Reply #60)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:03 PM

62. Ain't gonna change the taste of mustard

I like that

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:01 PM

61. I don't generally grave dance... BUT....

I will not criticize those who do when the deader is a such a shit person.

I'm done with sympathy. I'm done with being nice. We've tried that and it has brought us to the edge of disaster.

Kirstie Alley was a terrible person. The world is better off without her in it. I believe that and don't feel bad about it.

If you have a little checklist about when it is acceptable for you or other people to celebrate the death of a terrible person. I'm absolutely FINE with you holding yourself to some standard you feel is appropriate. I will will do the same, and ask you extend me the same courtesy I extend you.


Having said that, fuck cancer.

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Response to Happy Hoosier (Reply #61)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:06 PM

64. Thank you

She was also part of an organization that human traffics, forces abortions on girls and women, commits literal domestic sabotage, etc.

So, that plus everything else? Yeah, no. Was surprised to see such positive OPs praising KA on here last night and today. I never understand why those are A-OK when a terrible person dies, but saying Good Riddance is some kind of no-no.

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Response to Happy Hoosier (Reply #61)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:43 PM

69. Maybe, since she had addiction issues, she fell subject to Scientology and MAGA. I may disagree with

her, but I won't wish her dead or be glad she died. What point does it make to be glad that someone is dead?

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Response to debm55 (Reply #69)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:49 PM

70. That's fine for you.

As I said, I am perfectly fine with you deciding that such feelings are inappropriate for you.

The point of such "grave dancing" is the general satisfaction that there is one less shitty person in the world.

Yeah, maybe she had addiction issues. Lots of people have addiction issues and don't become Trump-loving MAGAts or join a a harmful "religion."

Her behavior moved well beyond "victim" and straight on to victimizer.

Yes, I've hardened my heart to people like her. Again, I typically don't grave dance, and I'm not now, but I do not begrudge those who do for a single minute. She was a terrible person.

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Response to debm55 (Reply #69)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 07:01 PM

76. Another poster said she did not support Trump

Is that incorrect?

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #68)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 03:16 PM

72. It's corrosive; it hurts you more than it hurts its target.

Life's too short to waste any of it on useless hate and anger. Do what is necessary to prevent destructive people from causing harm but don't get all eaten up in the process.

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Response to Ocelot II (Reply #72)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 03:19 PM

74. +1

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Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 03:01 PM

71. It's an easy way for people to re-direct their self-loathing and insecurity.

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Response to egduj (Reply #71)

Tue Dec 6, 2022, 03:19 PM

73. Yes, that could be a possibility

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