Pretty disgusted with all the god stuff in Warnock's speech (nt)

[NoRethugFriends]

[Cha]

1. Too bad.

[electric_blue68]

78. Bwah!

[betsuni]

142. Yes. It's that "Democrats can be too big of a tent" thing.

[Towlie]

220. As an athiest, I'll take talk about God over talk about vampires and werewolves any day!

 
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[Cha]

221. lol... well there ya go!

I'm not religious.. Spiritual though.

[relayerbob]

2. He's the pastor of Martin Luther King's church

So, get over it

[vlyons]

41. Yeah get over it. What matters is, does he practice what he preaches.

Unlike Walker, who calls himself a Christian and yet beat the crap out of his wife.

[MerryBlooms]

61. Yes!

[electric_blue68]

81. Oh, I'd forgotten he's Pastor of MLK's church! Wow, righteous!

[Ocelot II]

3. He's a pastor. What did you expect?

And do you have any idea how essential the southern Black churches were to the civil rights movement, or to many Black Democrats now?

[PortTack]

137. Agree totally! He uses his Christianity the way it should be...loving all hating none

[MiniMe]

4. He's a minister.

Let it go

[grantcart]

5. And he expressed love for his mother too. How outrageous.

[H2O Man]

76. Beyond outrageous!

That's extra outrageous! And that outrages me!

[CatWoman]

164. you have such a dry sense of humor

[electric_blue68]

83. The frikkin' fact that she was picking cotton way back, and now her son has achieved a full Senate..

term warms my heart! 🧡💙🧡


Oh, I'm tearing up now...but a good way!

[Botany]

6. He is a preacher

End of story.

[Wednesdays]

7. He's a preacher...

[Wounded Bear]

8. Meh...he's a preacher...

He votes like a good progressive Democrat. That's what counts.

[Claustrum]

9. Why? He is a preacher.

Talking about god is part of his identity. I am no longer religious and I have no problem with people talking about their faith as long as they don't force said faith on me.

[electric_blue68]

86. 👍

[hlthe2b]

10. He's the pastor of Ebenezer Baptist Church (MLK's own church)

Did you really not know that? Of course, he's going to invoke God. That's his belief and I respect that that is who he is.

[Trueblue1968]

47. OP sounds SO negative and not what the USA is all about. I wish this thread had not been posted

[Cuthbert Allgood]

163. Why?

Religion and government are supposed to be separate in the USA. Constitution makes that pretty clear.

[Arazi]

166. +1

Theoretically the US is NOT about theocracy…

[Caliman73]

195. True, but that does not prohibit individuals who are in government from being religious.

It does not prohibit people from having their views informed by religion. The separation of church and state was meant to dissuade people from establishing an endorsed religion and forcing others to follow that particular doctrine.

I am wondering, because I did not hear the speech, but did Senator Warnock state or imply that he was planning to legislate specifically from religious doctrine and force people to follow that legislation? Or perhaps was he stating the foundation of his ideas of social justice, equality, etc... are informed by his faith?

I left religion some time ago. I have no fondness for religion and I think that it is not a good basis on which to establish a moral and ethical worldview. Thing is, if someone comes to accept that treating people with dignity and looking out for others in society because of the Beatitudes, then the result is the same as I come to in utilizing the concepts of wellbeing, mutual respect, and non-aggression. I am sure that I would disagree strongly with some of what that person believes or argues on other topics, but for the purpose of establishing legislation about social welfare, a person who is religious, can be informed by that belief to promote and pass good legislation just as much as they can be informed by that belief to pass harmful legislation.

Separation of church and state is primarily about one or the other "Capturing" the other and making the other a slave to the one. The Constitution is also pretty clear about prohibiting the government from infringing on people's right to practice their beliefs. It is a delicate balance, and I have seen no evidence at all that Senator Warnock plans to impose his specific beliefs onto others.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

197. Fully understand that. The issue for me is that it is exculsionary.

For those people that aren't religious (or aren't Christian), it gets tiring to hear elected officials talking about their god so much. I get it. He's a pastor. I have no problems with that. He seems like a good guy. I'm ecstatic he won.

But, why does he need to make it about religion. Just because the majority of the people in the country tend to also believe in his same god doesn't mean we need elected officials talking about it. It's the same belief in the same god that got Roe overturned. Just because he's on our side, doesn't make religion in politics any less troublesome and tiresome.

[Caliman73]

205. I feel no exclusion. He is talking about his personal beliefs, which are shared by many.

I can have similar ideas that I arrived at without religion.

Also, if it were the same god, then there would only be one religion right?

The problem with religion, that I have is that it does not offer Truth. It offers only belief and your "salvation" is predicated on belief and compliance. It is too easy for people seeking power, to use religion as a tool to control others. If you hold the keys to salvation, then you have power.

That said, the context and how religion is used (whether personally or as part of public service) is more important than the mere presence of religion.

Do I want to see a time when humanity moves beyond the need for imagined, unknowable beings who rule over the vast universe but are somehow particularly interested in this tiny speck of dust? Yes, I do. I think that the world will be better off.

I don't feel the need to criticize good people just because they happen to believe in something I have no use for. Something that appears to be guiding them to prosocial actions.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

206. It's not that I don't have use for it; it's that it doesn't belong in our government.

We are expressly a secular government and the people that created the government went to great lengths to make that known. Hell, Hamilton didn't want pastors to be in government, but he lost that fight.

I don't care that he's religious; I don't care that he talks about religion in his life; I don't care that other people agree (or disagree) with his religious view points. I just wish we could keep it out of our government.

Without religion interfering in government, we wouldn't have abortion bans.

[ripcord]

242. And our secular government allows freedom of speech even for lawmakers

As long as he isn't trying to establish a state religion he is fine.

[Demsrule86]

199. I agree.. it is a form of bigotry.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

128. John Lewis was a member of that church

[GP6971]

11. Why? He's a pastor.

I wouldn't expect anything less and I don't object to it.

[qazplm135]

12. What's wrong with you?

Seriously.

[Sogo]

13. He's a preacher.

So was his Dad.

[ananda]

14. That's just who he is.

So what? It's a free country ...

[SYFROYH]

15. You don't know anything about Sen Warnock, do you?

Im an atheist but I understand and accept who Warnock is.

[electric_blue68]

92. 👍

[PortTack]

138. Kudos to you..setting a high standard!

[blm]

16. That's odd since everyone knows he is a preacher.

[NoRethugFriends]

23. Yes I do

I am delighted he won. And I am sick of the injection of religion in political life

[blm]

53. It's who he is, so it's not faked like those

who actually ‘inject’ religious references into their politics.

I’m an atheist, but, never felt annoyed by real Christians who follow the earthly teachings of Jesus. I wish more would.

[electric_blue68]

95. Ty

[H2O Man]

80. Right.

Some are still outrafed that King injected religion into politics. Darn him.

[Dorian Gray]

146. I don't think railing against it helps

and the people who voted for him in GA voted full well knowing he's a Christian pastor. That may have been the reason many of them voted for him over Walker.

[Caliman73]

196. You do understand that religion informs people's worldview right?

I can see and understand that you may not like religion at all, hence do not want it to exist, but that is not likely to happen for a long time, if ever.

I did not hear the speech so I am curious, did Senator Warnock say or imply that he was planning to impose his religious views on the rest of us, or even on the people of Georgia through legislation? Did he say, "I am introducing a bill to make it mandatory for people to praise Jesus" or "I am going to propose that the government cut funding to schools unless they start making the student go to church?

Or was it more like, "I grew up with the ideas of Jesus Christ when he said, 'Whatever you have done for the least of my brethren, you have done for me' and I plan to spend my time in the Senate doing for the most vulnerable people", as God is my witness, I will work for the people of Georgia to make their lives better".

You realize their is a vast difference between the two modes of thinking right?

As I said up thread, I was born and raised religious. I have left that life and I reject it. I know the problems that religion, especially fundamentalist and extremist ideologies can cause. I also know that for many people, it can guide them toward self improvement. I would definitely prefer that people come to those conclusions through rational processes and social cues, but that is what the First Amendment to the Constitution is about. I don't get to impose my ideas on others, and they don't get to impose their religious practices on me. As I also said up thread, if both Senator Warnock and I come to the same conclusion about helping homeless people find housing and improving their lives, but he comes to it through his religious beliefs while I come to it through a secular thought process, what is the difference if the outcome is the same?

[Skittles]

228. thank you

I agree

[ecstatic]

17. He's not forcing his beliefs on anyone but he has a right

to talk about his profession just as any other senator who talks about life as a doctor, attorney, professor, etc.

[Samrob]

56. THIS!!

[Glorfindel]

18. You couldn't give us one whole night to be happy

without expressing your disgust? Really? I hope you feel better now that you've got that off your chest. I'll return to being happy, god or no god.

[Lemonwurst]

19. He has his god, I have none, just a choice

I’m tired of all religion writ large, but accept that I won’t be here when it’s small enough to be drowned in a bathtub. Instead, I consider others will honor a deity, real enough to them, as a choice no one should deny them.

But if they insist their god must also be mine, well that’s my red line no one can cross.

[Ocelot II]

28. And Senator/Reverend Warnock is not insisting his god must be yours,

but his god is a fundamental part of his identity and he's entitled to talk about it in his terms.

[ornotna]

20. That's all you got?

Weak.

[Polybius]

21. Would you have prefered Walker?

[Polybius]

33. So is that a yes?

[Sky Jewels]

108. Lol

What a silly red herring.

[tavernier]

22. I was disgusted at the phony God stuff that Trump tried to sell.

Warnock’s faith is genuine.

[NoRethugFriends]

29. I know it is

[MerryBlooms]

54. If you know Warnock is genuine in his faith, why call him out?

You could have easily disregarded his whole acceptance speech, but you chose to dog on him. Search within yourself. It's not Reverend Warnock's acceptance speech that's bothering you.

[Sky Jewels]

109. Why bring that supernatural b.s. into a secular process?

There’s no need. Keep it in the church/home.

[Dorian Gray]

147. Because everyone is free to thank god

it is one of the freedoms we are guaranteed in the constitution. The government shall make no laws instituting or restricting religion. That doesn't mean someone can't acknowledge their god or religion in a speech.

[AntivaxHunters]

157. Why not for once have someone represent what Christianity is SUPPOSED to be?

Only love conquers hate & I think many, ok a large majority, see Christianity as something bad because it's been hijacked by the right for many decades. It's time we have some good for once. Warnock and people like Rev. Dr. Barber are carrying on the traditions of MLK which is rooted in social justice just as Jesus himself was. These are snake handling whackos ripped from the book of Revelations or Joel Osteen grifters but rather represent the love of the Gospels.

[JanLip]

182. Thank you!

I prefer Senator Warnock’s “God stuff” over Marge Taylor Green God stuff any day. At least we know where Senator Warnock’s heart is. He is and will be an asset to the American people. I agree with everything you wrote. Thank you again. JL

[MarineCombatEngineer]

174. Ummm, because it's a free country?

Think maybe that is the reason?
Think maybe he's a genuine religious man?
Think maybe........oh never mind, not worth it.

[Sky Jewels]

184. He's also free to not say it in a political context. He can save it for his parishoners.

That's an appropriate audience -- not a citizenry of millions.

[inthewind21]

185. Preach it!

And all those gays that want to be gay and those pesky drag queens they are also free to keep it to themselves and save it for their own. How dare they heap that on a citizenry of millions!

See how that works.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

225. +100. nt

[Caliman73]

204. He made the choice that is his choice to make.

People try to silo off aspects of life that are often intertwined. If you practice a religious tradition, that likely informs how you see the world. The mere presence, does not imply that it is being imposed. People who are religious are regularly elected to Congress. The separation of church and state does not come at "you can't mention anything about God or religion". It comes at, You cannot use the power of government to compel a particular set of religious beliefs."

President Biden is a practicing Catholic. The Catholic Church expressly forbids both abortion and contraception. I would imagine that Biden holds a personal belief regarding abortion that is likely in line with the Church's for himself. He is however, outwardly spoken about the right for others to choose. That position has some leaders within the church calling for Biden to be denied, Communion, which if you understand Catholicism, is the fundamental Sacrament and not partaking in it puts your eternal salvation in jeopardy. One can have strong personal religious beliefs and not impose those beliefs onto others through the power of government. President Biden also often invokes his God and uses bible passages which, as I have said, inform his sense of social justice.

I have said a few times on this thread, that I am not a fan of organized religion. In my opinion, it is too easy to manipulate people who fear non-adherence to a doctrine will result in their eternal torture. This country however, at least in theory, was founded with the idea that the government would not try to impose religious doctrine on the people and the government would also not interfere with how people practiced their faith traditions. There is obvious interplay and flexibility regarding the latter given that religious practices that run afoul of laws, can be restricted (I.E. Animal sacrifice, honor killings, etc...).

I too tend to cringe when people invoke religion as a rallying cry, but I can separate it out, as I am sure Senator Rev. Warnock can do, when he is in Washington DC, or in Georgia working on legislation for the people he serves.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

224. Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. nt

[chillfactor]

24. go to bed

we are celebrating.....no downers needed here tonight. He is one of the best kind of man and a believer. Tough if you can't handle it.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

25. I get as annoyed with people's reverence to magical creatures as anyone

But this ain't the time.

[MontanaFarmer]

27. This thread equals dumb thread.

We don't win any southern seats without the black church. Warnock is a pastor of perhaps the most prominent. If you don't like his religion, support him based on his voting record and politics, which are basically flawless.

[NoRethugFriends]

32. Of course I supported him, and I do know his excellent voting record

[jcgoldie]

46. Right

No time for god myself but Warnock said it himself... if you don't believe that way then think of it this way "people have value".

[Shellback Squid]

30. ok, you have a different agenda

[Pisces]

31. What is wrong with you?? He's a pastor!!

[Sogo]

34. Pretty disgusted that you're putting up an intentionally divisive post

just to test the waters here.

Thought we would share your disgust, didn't you?

Besides, not much of his speech contained any reference to "God." Most of it was very much about policy and his work as a Senator.

Pfffttt.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

131. As a Jew, I really admire Senator Warren

The man is a person of faith which do not have a problem with

[AKwannabe]

134. This!

This “person”. Does it often.

Should be investigated

[Clash City Rocker]

35. He's also lifted up multiple Jewish people in the speech

One can bring up God in an inclusive way or an exclusive way. This speech has been inclusive. I’m very impressed.

[NoRethugFriends]

40. Not inclusive of atheists.

Inclusive is not just Christians and Jews

[Clash City Rocker]

52. Okay, so you just wanted him to lose

Or you don’t know what it takes to run for office in Georgia. So sorry you didn’t get to enjoy six years of Senator Herschel Walker.

[Hekate]

139. Do you even know who Viola Liuzzo & Chaney, Schwerner & Goodman were? They were murdered...

… in the Civil Rights movement.

There’s your shout-out to “Christians and Jews” — Warnock spoke the names of 3 young men murdered by the KKK for travelling together in Freedom Summer, one Black and two Jews, in 1964. In addition, Mrs. Liuzzo was a white Civil Rights activist, also murdered by the KKK, in 1965.

During the Civil Rights era, and indeed during every great progressive reform movement in the history of this country, many of the participants were people moved to act by the best tenets of their various religions.

Deal with it.

[Dorian Gray]

148. Thank you for this background

I learned something new today and am doing a deeper dive into this history because of it. Inspirational people.

[Hekate]

227. You are more than welcome

[Grown2Hate]

36. As an atheist personally, I'm loving this speech.

And then he said (paraphrasing), "And if that type of religious metaphor doesn't work for you, that's ok. We have a big tent!" Felt that was my shout-out.

Edit: Grammar.

[Sky Jewels]

37. Great speech in general, but, yeah, I'm beyond sick of

god and religious BS too.

[NoRethugFriends]

38. Yes. Thank you.

[Sky Jewels]

49. IMO, there's no need to bring supernatural nonsense into

a secular process. Keep it in your church / temple /home.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

175. Well, you know the old saying,

opinions are like a@@@@@@s, everyone has one, some are more smellier than others.

[nolabear]

39. *sigh* Please don't.

Just don’t.

[MerryBlooms]

42. There are Christian Democrats. I'm one!

We work just as hard as none Christians. I hold no anger or grudge. I am thankful for Reverend Warnock. Not just because he's a Democrat, but he's an example of Christianity that walks the talk. God bless Reverend Warnock, and may he Continue to help those in need. Warnock is a good man.

[Trueblue1968]

51. i am too ... Rev Warnock is wonderful

[MerryBlooms]

58. He is! So are many of our Dems! We all love Pelosi,

She's definitely faith based. There are a lot of bs fake faith going on these days, but I am happy to see and support true and faithful folks.

[JanLip]

183. Totally agree!

I’m a Christian democrat too Thank you. JL

[Stinky The Clown]

43. Elect a pastor, you get a sermon.

Sermons are not my thing, but I have no problem honoring him as he gives one.

[Pinback]

44. This atheist loves Warnock.

And I have no problem with sincere Christians. Their values align closely with those of Democrats and progressives in general.

[wnylib]

125. Fully agree with your last sentence.

[aquaman]

45. JESUS

Yeah, he should think just like you.....He should believe just like you....WTF....

Just enjoy the win....

[DemocraticPatriot]

48. He's a preacher, isn't he ???

Did you know that when you supported him 2 years ago ???

(I presume that you supported him then, and that you knew that.... otherwise, you would be a moron....)


I am tempted to ask for a hide, here...

[GoodRaisin]

50. We could use a few more religious guys like Warnock in the Senate.

He’ll go preach to his congregation on Sundays and work for us the rest of the week.

[DemocraticPatriot]

55. I finally found the link... blame me

[Demsrule86]

200. I do also.

[mvd]

57. Well I consider myself a Christian progressive

I don’t consider myself religious - more spiritual. I didn’t think mentioning it was an attempt to force his views.

[MerryBlooms]

60. It wasn't. It was just a good man's acceptance speech.

[mvd]

62. Agreed

[MerryBlooms]

64. There was absolutely nothing threatening in Reverend Warnock speech.

This derogatory OP is still here, which is a testament to our Democratic principles.

[FoxNewsSucks]

71. I don't see it as derogatory.

Did you want it censored?

I like Warnock. But we're hiring him to run government for all, not to run a church. See the difference? When people apply for a job I'm not allowed to ask about their religion. It's illegal. And that's how it should be for public office.

See Article 6 of the Constitution MF45 wants to cancel.

[MerryBlooms]

84. I'm sure you feel better now, go in peace.

[FoxNewsSucks]

87. I don't, but peace be unto you too.

[MerryBlooms]

99. I'm sorry, vetting is often cleansing. I thank you for wishing me also peace.

Kindness is always lovely and soothing. 💕

[inthewind21]

189. So

What are your complaints about the job he is doing? Has he sponsored, voted for or passed any laws based on his religion? If the answer no, and you agree he's a good senator, then you are doing nothing more than trashing his personal beliefs because you take issue with them.

See Amendment 1 of the constitution MF45 wants to cancel.

[relayerbob]

91. Agreed

[uponit7771]

172. +1,

[Silent3]

59. While I'd rather see politics more secular as an atheist, since Warnock has no agenda...

...to enforce his religious beliefs on others, I can cope, especially when it's the more loving and uplifting side of religion on display.

[Lefta Dissenter]

63. I'm an atheist,

And I loved his speech. He uses his religion for good, not for evil. That’s all I ask.

[electric_blue68]

103. Ty 👍

[marmar]

65. Some people will try to kill the joy in every moment

[FoxNewsSucks]

68. It's not a killjoy.

A lot of us are tired of religion being forced on us.

Yes, Warnock is sincere. And I'm glad he won. He's a decent man. And it's the phony proselytizers who ruin things. But still, running for office is basically applying for a job to run government.

Nowhere else do we hear about religion in a job application. In fact, it's illegal to ask about one's religion, much less ask for them to give a sermon.

[marmar]

72. And nothing he said indicates he's forcing religion on anybody....

.... particularly in governance. He specifically mentioned the big tent in his speech. ... He's a reverend and it's perfectly fine that he references the arena that molded him in his speech. .... I'm not a religious person but I have no problem with this. This secular purity BS is nauseating

[FoxNewsSucks]

77. Not at all.

I saw most of his speech, and I have no problem with a mention of religion. While good, there was too much religion, even for a pastor. We're not hiring him to be a pastor.

[marmar]

90. Unless you're a Georgia voter you're not "hiring" him for anything

[FoxNewsSucks]

96. Do the things he votes on apply only to Georgia voters?

That's the problem.

And yes, we are all hiring all of them to run the government.

[FoxNewsSucks]

66. Agreed.

I'm glad he won. And I'm sure he's sincere. But I'm tired of religion being thrust on everyone, when we're hiring them to run a government for all, not a church.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

67. Some people insist on pissing inside our big tent.

[FoxNewsSucks]

69. And some would like to throw out all who don't see things their way.

Usually, though, that's how it is on the Team R side.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

70. Is that a confession?

[FoxNewsSucks]

73. Not at all.

Might I suggest you read Article 6 of the US Constitution.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

79. There is no "religious test" here.

I think you are the one who needs to study--and work on comprehending--the Constitution.

[FoxNewsSucks]

82. You're wrong.

And misunderstanding. Unsurprisingly.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

89. LOL.

Here is the pertinent section:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Are you sure you've read the Constitution? You clearly don't seem to understand it.

[FoxNewsSucks]

98. No, I clearly am the one who does understand that.

If there is no religious test, why do the all proclaim their evangelical religion so vocally?

[Just A Box Of Rain]

100. You don't understand that someone speaking about their faith isn't a "religious test."

[FoxNewsSucks]

104. What does anyone's "faith" have to do with their qualifications for a job?

and as a followup, before you say "nothing", why can't I ask job applicants about their faith?

Even when it might actually affect their job performance such as willingness to work Saturday, Sunday or other religious holidays? Or other accommodations that others would not expect to get?

[Just A Box Of Rain]

105. Changing the goalposts now that your argument about the Constitution crapped out?

People are free in this country to have religious faith. I know that bugs you, but get over it.

[FoxNewsSucks]

107. I changed nothing, but of course you know that.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

112. Denialism is strong with you.

Sen. Warnock's election had nothing to do with a "religious test."

I'm not sure if you know that.

[H2O Man]

121. Okay, allow me

to bulldoze the goal posts. Darn it! How about all the problems we had when the Pope dictated every policy of President Kennedy? Maybe not those about sex, though one can never be sure. Wasn't it clear then that when then-Seanator Kennedy while on the campaign trail and confronted the religious question(s) gave the perfect speech defining the difference between his being a Catholic -- and an Irish one at that!!!! --and serving as president, that JFK was trying to push his religion down our throats even tonight?

I consider this as serious as the grave constitutional issues that you are responding to, and correctly noting there is no issue there. Thus, if you do continue to be correct in your responses, I will again bulldoze those goal posts.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

122. Love you man!

[electric_blue68]

106. He's no being "evangelical" he's not forcing you to believe

[wnylib]

126. Do you know why that article says

"oath or affirmation"? There is a religious accommodation history behind that wording. Quakers were a prominent part of public and political life at the time. For religious reasons, they (and a few other religious denominations) do not take oaths. But they will affirm their intention to faithfully live up to the responsibilities of any office that they are elected or appointed to.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

129. I strongly disagree with your interpretation of the Constitution

Senator Warnock being a person of faith is NOT a violation of the U.S. Constitution

[Jedi Guy]

168. No, you very clearly don't.

What's meant by "religious test" is that it can't be required that someone be of X religion or make an oath of allegiance to X religion in order to assume public office in the United States.

Politicians and public servants in the United States can, of course, choose to be affiliated with a religion, and they can also choose to speak about their beliefs. They don't lose their First Amendment rights upon assuming office.

[Polybius]

194. Are you saying that no politician can mention "God" in their speech?

Can they go to church?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

179. And just who is trying to throw anyone out of our big tent?

[H2O Man]

74. Gosh.

[electric_blue68]

75. Uhhhh... He's a Reverand...

Ya know, you could have been couteous enuff tonight to let it lie and complain tommorow?

But, nooooooo, you had to go and be a snooty Aetheist. 🙄

Aetheists in general are fine by me, but not snooty ones.

(Spiritual person, and believes Fully in Separation of Church and State. NO theocracy of any kind. I believe in Science, too, in case you wondered.)

[FoxNewsSucks]

85. Is the job of Senator

a - make law and run government

or

b - prepare and deliver sermons geared toward a specific religion.

Why the hostility toward someone who wants a clear separation of church and state?

[H2O Man]

88. The speech

was not part of his duties as a Senator.

[FoxNewsSucks]

94. Is he not a Senator now?

As I said, I don't doubt his genuineness. But the religious element in that speech was more than needed.

[H2O Man]

114. Perhaps you are unaware,

but that was a campaign victory speech. Campaigns are not part of the job. He can't campaign while on the job. Nor can he do official Senate duties while campaigning. Are you able to understand the very real distinctions between the two? I learned it in the 8th grade, and am concerned such things aren't being taught in schools these days.

[inthewind21]

193. Some advice

When the hole is so deep you can't get out. Stop digging!

[electric_blue68]

113. This is his victory speech. Doesn't mean he's going to spend most or anytime "sermonizing" in The ..

Senate.
He's going to as a Dem try to put forth, and support policies that bring support, and help to people in general, AND advocate for "the least among" us, the vunerable, and still second, and third class citizens among us. 👍💙

[H2O Man]

116. It appears that

the distinction between a campaign event and official Senate business is something our friend does not understand. Lack of understanding is the only good explanation for the outrage expressed in the OP/thread. Because if they did understand why, for example, one donates to his campaign -- and not Senate office -- for the election contest, this OP would not be rooted in rational thought, but purely emotion.

[electric_blue68]

118. Got it. 👍

[RobinA]

247. I Think

what our friend doesn't like is to hear an elected official of the US government go on and on about his particular brand of superstition. You can like the guy, you can vote for the guy, you can be glad he won, you can agree he can believe whatever he wants, but you can also not want to hear a lot of hocus pocus from him when he's in an official capacity. That's my read of the OP. And yes, I cringe when I hear religion used in a governmental context. God Bless This Honorable Court.

[Sky Jewels]

192. Exactly.

Bringing this kind of nonsense into the public sphere just erodes the separation of church and state further. We don't need to help the right in that regard!

[old as dirt]

210. One person's "nonesense"...

...is another person's culture.

Bringing this kind of nonsense into the public sphere just erodes the separation of church and state further. We don't need to help the right in that regard!

[aquaman]

93. Amen....

I don't give a damn whether he believes in God, Jesus, Allah, the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus....

A Democrat US Senate candidate won in Georgia. I'm from the south....I've been all throughout Georgia...this is big. As parts of it are super scary.

Congrats, reverend!

[electric_blue68]

111. 👍

[sarisataka]

97. Biden often references God in his speeches

Is that disgusting as well?

[Sky Jewels]

187. Personally, I wish he wouldn't.

Keep the god nonsense in church and in your home.

[Demsrule86]

201. Well it Is a free country. Nothing wrong with having faith.

[Sky Jewels]

202. "Faith" has done untold harm to this nation and to the planet.

Particularly to women, who have been made into third-class citizens thanks to religious loons on SCOTUS, and who have long been seen and treated as "lessers" because Bronze Age goat herders made up a male omnipotent god and his male offspring to be the creators/rulers of the universe (even though the universe was already billions of years old when the Bible myths were slapped together ... go figure).

Then there's the long-standing anti-gay hate justified by those stupid stories from Bronze Age Mesopotamia, as well as the science denial, and the anti-intellectualism, and the grifting, and the justification of pedophilia, and the sexual predation (Mormon men "marrying" and raping young girls, as one example), and on and on...

[GusBob]

101. Let's play shoe on the other foot, out of curiosity

If it was say, Mike Huckabee, a Baptist Preacher too, up there invoking God when he won political races ( and without the stomach to look it up, I bet he did)

What would/ did posters here say then?

[Scrivener7]

212. You know it. This is a pretty epic swarm we got going here in response

to a one line opinion.

Oh, and can I be the two hundredth to say, "He's a minister!

Thrilled Warnock won. Kind of horrified at the ridiculous pile-on here though.

[GusBob]

213. if i recall correctly, it was complete shoe on the other foot

I seem to recall the complete opposite reaction we are seeing here

As Spock would say, 'fascinating'

There's another word that applies that begins with 'h'

[Scrivener7]

214. Personally, I have no problem with Warnock referring to god.

The speech was good.

But the fact that people here seem to think the OP needs to be pilloried and pummeled and piled onto because he has stated a legit opinion they don't happen to agree with is creepy as hell.

That's happening a lot here lately.

[GusBob]

218. Agreed

Altho' I was raised that religion was to be kept in the church and house and to discuss it out of those places was unwise and rude. Lest one be pilloried and piled upon, ironically.

I'm glad he won of course. But what I also find interesting: If HW woulda' won we would be bombarded with all kinds of zany things he said for the next four years (along with endless babble from TFG, Musk, Ye, MTG, Bobo and the rest of the nut cases) Thats also what happens here alot lately

I'd bet there will be very few threads of things Warnock says, however substantial they may be

[RobinA]

248. Why Would We

say anything different? If the subject is a government official blathering on about god in an official speech, the reaction would be the same. At least mine would. I don't want to hear it. Which doesn't mean somebody doesn't have the "right" to do it, it just means I don't like it.

[GusBob]

250. But the reaction here has not been the same

IF Huckabee did it, would there be a zillion " its OK, he is a preacher" replies?

[old as dirt]

251. There would be actual criticism of Hucklebee.

I mean real substance, not just some silly stuff about the words he uses.

That didn't happen here because Warnock is not Hucklebee.

[lees1975]

102. This is still America, still a Democracy, and it still has a constitution which guarantees liberty

of conscience which includes freedom of religion, and separation of church and state. A member of the Senate, the President, the House, any state legislature, all have the right to believe in God and invoke that belief in whatever office they hold. That's not coercion or imposition on anyone else, that is the exercise of freedom. He's pastor of a Baptist Church, Ebenezer, where MLK also pastored.

These kind of Christians are going to fight for separation of church and state, and to protect freedom of conscience and religious liberty for all Americans, including those of other religions or of no religion. Whether you're a believer or an atheist, they will respect your rights and your convictions and will consider all humanity equal. They already have a track record of being America's most ardent advocates for justice and equality. They are an asset to democracy and freedom.

[electric_blue68]

110. Ty!

[DemocraticPatriot]

115. Better coming from Warnock...

than any Republican anywhere.....


and if you don't agree,
Warnock won't hate you for disagreeing---

in fact, he believes in 'freedom of choice' to believe, or not to believe---


as 'god' does-- if you believe in any one of them or the other.

[XorXor]

117. As a non-religious, it doesn't bother me at all

So long as people don't try to push legislation based on their personal religious beliefs, then I'm tolerant of whatever religious stuff they believe in. That's one of the things that this country is supposed to be about

[brush]

119. Newsflash: Freedom of religion is in the very first amendment...

in the Bill of Rights. Haven't you heard of it?

[Hekate]

120. He's a minister

[Hekate]

124. Listening now (rerun) & it is a great speech, full of the oral poetry of the Black South

I’m truly sorry you and others missed that

[GoneOffShore]

127. Welcome to DU. As an atheist, I'd rather have Warnock, who practices his belief's

than a bunch of hypocrites like all the GQP pietists.

Also, do know who Warnock is speaking to. He knows how to 'read the room'.

That's a skill to cultivate and appreciate.

[Celerity]

132. Yes, horses for courses.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

130. A vote is a type of prayer for the type of world we desire

This phrase hits me hard. I really admire Senator Warnock

Link to tweet

[Hekate]

140. I watched his speech when MSNBC ran it a second time. Senator Rev. Warnock is very special...

I am so glad he won.

[AKwannabe]

133. He. Is. A. Pastor.

Duh.

And

You. Are. Out. There.

[Kennah]

135. Can anyone point to even one piece of legislation where he seems to broach Church/State?

[Cattledog]

136. I don't think the OP has ANY friends!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

181. Op has one or two here cheering on. nt

[DFW]

141. I never heard it

I already got told off by some on DU for being up at 4 AM (they were right, too).

I'm no fan of the God Squad, but it IS the man's profession after all, and last I heard, our line was that it was cool believing what you want to believe as long as you don't try to force it on anyone else. Warnock's profession is, literally, preaching to the choir. So, let him preach. He never asked me to believe anything (wise move). I would never ask him to believe what I do either (I never met the man, but I suspect that would be a wise move, too).

[betsuni]

143. He's being authentic. Thought that was good.

[RobinA]

249. Depends On What

you're being authentic about.

[betsuni]

253. What does that mean?

He is not lying about Democrats and accusing them of being corrupt, immoral and beholden to billionaires and corporations. That's lying and helping Republicans. Inauthentic and lying.

[obamanut2012]

144. Sure, Jan

[GoneOffShore]

153. Perhaps NoRFriends needs us to call the manager?

[KY_EnviroGuy]

145. Think positive and see it as a counterweight.

I have not heard of cases where Sen. Warnock used his religion improperly while executing his job in Washington.

I am with you though, in that I'm sick of evangelicalism's rabid efforts at infusing their beliefs into every aspect of our lives.


KY Agnostic.............

[malaise]

149. Keep church and state separate

That is all

[betsuni]

151. Has he not jeep (kept) church and state separate?

[LuckyCharms]

152. Don't worry. You'll get over it in a minute or two. n/t

[Karma13612]

154. Pretty ecstatic that

Walker ain’t standin up givin a VICTORY 🤮 speech about werewolves.

Glass half-empty or half-full.

I’m not into religion at all. Couldn’t stay up to hear Senator Warnock’s victory speech but I guarantee it would not have offended or threatened my spiritual beliefs. Yes, I’m usually turned off by overly religious conversations, but Senator Warnock is not trying to convert me. His speech no doubt was directed first and foremost to his followers who worked their butts off multiple times to get him on that stage for another 6 years.

Again, “werewolves in DC” would be an absolute NIGHTMARE.

[AngryOldDem]

155. He's a pastor.

I liked his remarks — especially how he honored all the civil rights pioneers without whom….

I get tired of the God card being played to pander or if it’s clearly insincere. This wasn’t.

Sorry you were triggered.

[PCIntern]

156. This thread may hold a record:

In all the years I’ve been here, I believe that I’ve never seen this many replies to a one sentence OP with no body, only the subject line.

[sarisataka]

165. Possibly two records

The most support for an office holder invoking an imaginary sky being.

Often that has been considered a sign of insanity.

[Kaleva]

158. If you were actually disgusted, you'd have stopped watching it.

[ellie]

159. Isn't he a Reverend?

[Tarc]

160. Cope

[Torchlight]

161. Sounds serious.

Good luck.

[old as dirt]

162. Here's the text of the offending speech in full.

Hello, Georgia! Thank you, Georgia! We did it again!

Thank you so much for your trust in me and to God be the glory!

After a long and hard fought campaign, it is now my honor to utter the four most powerful words in a democracy, “the people have spoken.” I have often said that a vote is a kind of prayer for the world we desire for ourselves and for our children.

It is faith put in action. It is the sober recognition that we pray not only with our lips but with our legs.

And Georgia, you have you been doing just that - praying with your lips and with your legs, with your hands and your feet, with your head and your heart! And here we are standing together!

And Georgia once again – as you did in 2021 when you sent an African American man and a Jewish man to the Senate in one fell swoop - you are sending a clear message to the country about the kind of world we want for our children.

I stand before you tonight a proud son of Savannah, Georgia, a coastal city known for its cobblestone streets and verdant town squares. Towering oak trees, centuries old and covered in gray Spanish moss bend and beckon the lover of history and horticulture to this city by the sea. And like those oak trees in Savannah, my roots go deep down and they stretch wide in the soil of Waycross, Georgia, and Burke County and Screven County. In a sense, I am Georgia. A living example and embodiment of its history and its hope, of its pain and promise, the brutality and possibility.

I am grateful that my mother, Pastor Verlene Warnock, is here tonight. A teenager growing up in Waycross, GA, she used to pick somebody else’s cotton and tobacco. Tonight, she helped pick her youngest son to be a United States senator. My late father, Rev. Jonathan Warnock, a preacher and a junkman, has long entered into the light but he too is cheering us on.

How grateful I am for my very large and beautiful family. I am glad that they are here tonight. I’m number 11 of 12 and so my parents clearly read the scripture which says, “Be fruitful and multiply.”

We were short on money, but we were long on love, faith, and humor, and they poured into me and my eleven siblings the values and hard work ethic that still guide me today.

That’s what’s led me to a life of service, it’s what’s led me in the pulpit and it’s ultimately what’s led me to the U.S. Senate…

I also want to thank my two children, Chloe and Caleb. You two are the brightest stars in my world and as proud as I am to be a Senator, I am most proud to be your dad. You help inspire me to do my part to build a world befitting of the curiosity, the creativity and the possibility that I see in your eyes and in the eyes of all of our children.

And on this night, where after being on the ballot 5 times in the last two years … for the same job I might add … I have been entrusted with a six-year term to serve in the Senate, I cannot express how thankful I am to you, the people of Georgia.

I am deeply honored to be on this journey with you.

It’s an overwhelming statement for your neighbors to say we want you to represent us and our families in high office. And it’s something that inspires me every day.

Now there will be those both in our state, and across the country, who will point to our victory tonight and try to use it to argue there is no voter suppression in Georgia.

Let me be clear. The fact that millions of Georgians endured hours in lines – and were willing to spend hours in line – lines that wrapped around buildings and went on for blocks, lines in the cold, lines in the rain, is most certainly not a sign voter suppression does not exist.

Instead, it is proof that you, the people, will not allow your voices to be silenced. And I am proud to stand with you.

I believe that democracy is the political enactment of a spiritual idea. The notion that each of us has within us a spark of the divine…We all have value. And if we have value, we ought to have a voice.

That’s why when officials in our state tried to block Saturday voting, we sued them. And we won. And the people showed up in record numbers within the narrow confines of the time given to them by a state legislature that saw our electoral strength the last time and went after it with surgical precision.

The fact that voters worked so hard to overcome the hardship put in front of them does not eliminate the fact that hardship was put there in the first place.

Our democracy is stronger when more people are able to exercise their right to vote. This is something we all should be able to agree on. And it is something that I will continue to work on…until we pass the John Lewis Voting Rights Act.

Democrats, Republicans, independents, should all be able to agree that whether you’re black, brown, white or any other color, no matter what neighborhood you live in, in the United States of America you should have the same ability to exercise your right to vote.

Tonight, I want to pay tribute to all those, over so many years, who have put their voices, and their lives on the line, to defend that right.

Martyrs of the movement like Scherner, Chaney & Goodman; Viola Luizzo, James Reeb. And those who stood up and spoke up like Fannie Lou Hamer. John Lewis, who walked across a bridge knowing that there were police waiting to brutalize him on the other side. Yet, by some stroke of destiny mingled with human determination he walked across that bridge in order to build a bridge to a more just future.

And now, it is up to us to keep building that bridge. To keep doing the important moral work. And Georgia, I want you to know that even as I work for you, I intend to walk with you.

Because here is what I’ve learned from being a pastor. You cannot lead the people unless you love the people. And you cannot love the people unless you know the people. And the only way to know the people is to spend time among the people. You cannot serve me if you cannot see me. Georgia, I see you. Parents trying to get your kids through school, I see you. Students trying to pay your way and work your way through, I see you. Farmers who are an answer to our most basic prayer – give us this day our daily bread – and yet struggle to survive, to save the farm, I see you. Workers fighting for a livable wage and decent benefits, I see you. Small business owners, I see you.

I will always be a voice for Georgia. All of Georgia. Whether you voted for me, or whether you didn’t, I will always be fighting for you and I hope to serve our state in a way that makes you proud.

And I remain hopeful that Washington can focus more on what we all share in common rather than what sometimes divides us.

Too many folks in Washington enter the conversation everyday thinking they must be armed as gladiators, focused on that day’s fight, on getting what they can for their side, whoever they consider that to be. I just see things differently. I’m proud of my bi-partisan work. And I hope to do more.

Because I believe first and foremost we are an American people and that we all have a covenant with one another. That we must live up to that uniquely American ideal of E pluribus Unum. Out of many—one.

I believe in what Dr. King called the Beloved Community. Over the forces that seek to divide us, we choose a state—and a nation that embraces all of us. We choose America.

I believe in the American dream. My own life is an iteration of its promise and possibility.

And therefore I believe that we can all do better, when we’re all doing better.

That’s what drives me to work to expand and lower the cost of healthcare, of creating jobs and standing up for the dignity of work, of addressing inequality and criminal justice reform and of taking on the existential threat of climate change that threatens our future.

And as I return to serve as your Senator for another six years, it's that combination of faith, love and hard work that will keep me focused on making change on behalf of our State and our country.

Before I close—and you can never believe a former pastor when they say they’ll close—I want to thank some of the people that made this victory possible.

To my campaign staff, led by my incredible campaign manager and son of Schley County, Georgia, Quentin Fulks, thank you. I want to thank Lawrence Bell who one day dropped on me a crazy idea – you should run for the senate – and the rest is history.

I want to thank my Senate staff in Washington, led by Mark Libell, and my state team, led by Meredith Lilly, for their work on behalf of our state.

I want to thank the volunteers and all of you who believed that we could win.

We won together…

Asking that neighbor at the very end of your block to get to the polls.

Turning to one another in our church pews…

Talking about what is at stake here in Georgia…

Talking about what a brighter future looks like for all of our families.

Volunteers in every corner of the state knocked doors to get people to the polls…

And poll workers worked hard to ensure each and every Georgia voter could make their voice heard in their own democracy.

And tonight, all that hard work paid off.

Thank you Georgia.

I know for many these are hard times. Dark times.

There is no question people are feeling the pain and the pinch – your children, your aging parents, your neighbors. We’ve been through a lot.

But the scripture says the light shines in the darkness and the darkness overcometh it not and I know with all my heart that our best days are ahead of us.

So tomorrow – we can all take a hard-earned rest. Just for a moment though – because the work continues…

And I’m not confused about who I work for.

Some of you have heard me tell the story many times of how my dad would wake me up every morning, 6am, no matter what time of year, no matter what day of the week, he’d say “Son, get dressed, put your shoes on.”

Well Georgia, I’m up, I’m dressed, I’m ready and I’ve got my shoes on. And I am so honored that you have placed your confidence in me one more time.

From the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU! God bless you.

Keep the faith! Keep looking up.

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/raphael-warnock-victory-speech-full-text/85-1da60dc5-1ba5-4127-9ba6-9ab41d10339e

[Paladin]

167. Glad to see your comment receiving the scorn it deserves.

Have a nice visit.

[Arazi]

169. Im not disgusted but I too wish there was far far less of this bullshit

[Emile]

178. Amen

[Sky Jewels]

188. Same.

[Crunchy Frog]

170. Shocking that REVEREND Warnock would be referencing God.

I don't know what the world is coming to.

[mcar]

171. He's a minister

[MarineCombatEngineer]

173. Yeah?

So?

I'm pretty disgusted that you started a thread about this.

[Renew Deal]

177. That's like being disgusted with all of the football stuff coming from Tom Brady.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

180. That's who he is and he isn't changing for you, me, or anybody.

I thought his speech was majestic.

[ismnotwasm]

186. Isn't he, like, a Pastor?

🤷‍♀️

[iemanja]

190. The African American church is an essential crucible for political and social justice mobilization

by black people. MLK arose out of the same church that Warnock is a pastor of. You'll recall that MLK's activism was imbued with a moral justice that came out of his religious tradition. To expect them to conform to suburban white standards is to say that they shouldn't participate in politics. As for the remark above that "church and state" should be separate, nothing Warnock said violated the separation of church and state. The constitution protects his right TO religion as much as your right FROM it.

Do you suggest souls to the polls should stop too?

[BannonsLiver]

191. You'll be alright. Rub some dirt on it and walk it off.

[Demsrule86]

198. Pretty disgusted by this post.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

207. The post right above yours suggests you rub some dirt on it and walk it off.

So it's not OK for people to not want religion in our government. You know, the secular government we have?

Because without religion, we wouldn't have abortion bans.

[The Revolution]

208. What?

"without religion, we wouldn't have abortion bans"

That's a strange statement. Religion is a huge part if human existence and has been for, what, all of recorded human history?

If humans evolved from egg-laying mammals, there might not be abortion bans either. But that isn't the world we live in.

You could also come up with a pretty logical argument against abortion that doesn't require religion. You basically just have to say life begins at conception, which is not outrageous from a biological perspective. Then just say preserving that life is the most important thing, even superceeding another person's rights to bodily atonomy. There's an argument for banning abortion that doesn't invoke God. Whether or not that would be a popular view in a fictional world that has no religion is pretty much unknownable.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

209. "life begins at conception, which is not outrageous from a biological perspective" Yeah, it is

Biology doesn't say that the fetus is human life.

And please show me a non-religious group that was advocating for abortion bans for reasons that didn't have to do with religion. It is clearly the religious that got Roe overturned. I thought we all knew that.

[The Revolution]

215. Obviously

When a baby is born it is a human life. And so what it becomes human when it pops out, but not before that? It changes from non-human to human at some point? That doesn't make sense, the development process is gradual. So if you want to say life begins when cells start dividing, I don't think that is a ridiculous claim.

I think it's a bad idea to get bogged down in that kind of messy argument anyway. It's much better to focus on the mother's right to her own bodily atonomy, which is an argument that applies regardless of the humanity of the fetus (so something along the lines of the "violinist" analogy).

Yes, religious groups were the primary driver of overturning Roe. That's the world we live in though. A majority of all people are religious to some degree or another. Athiests opposed to abortion do exist though.

[Rob H.]

203. You should've been here around the time of Obama's first inauguration

when Obama decided open homophobe and vocal same-sex marriage opponent Rick Warren was an actual good choice to deliver the invocation. It was a super-fun time to be atheist, LGBTQ, or both.

Edit: Warren's anti-choice, too.

Further edit: I have no problem with Warnock, ftr, and am thrilled he won.

[Willis88]

241. Come to think of it.... That was strange on Obama's part.

Naive but probably wanted to show that he would be President for all people, including the religious right?

[yardwork]

211. He's a Christian minister.

[bluestarone]

217. One thing i really really believe here.

Warnock believes EVERYTHING he's saying! (one of the BEST speech's i've heard lately) He's no phony, like TFG'S CULT! Everything he does from this day forward, will keep our America free!! (i fully trust him)

[LetMyPeopleVote]

219. For this thread

Link to tweet

[Music Man]

222. Good on you for raising this topic.

The issue is perfectly valid, and it's too bad you're being completely shut down. People in this thread have called you a moron and offered strawman arguments like, "So you wanted Warnock to lose?" I'd like to think we're intelligent enough to celebrate Warnock's triumph while simultaneously pointing out things we have issues with.

I personally didn't have a problem because this is Warnock's profession, he's authentic in his beliefs, and he's giving a victory speech and not legislating.

However, I'm glad you have the courage to say that there's an issue with politicians talking in this way. Admittedly, I believe that religion is generally harmful to society, so if I never had to hear a politician talking about God again, I'd be a happy man.

[leftstreet]

223. +1

What a thoughtful post.

^^^what Music Man said^^^

[Emile]

226. +2

[Skittles]

229. I can see why people are hesitant to point it out

I absolutely agree with you

[Celerity]

230. Great post.

[Scrivener7]

232. +5

When did DU become a place where a one-line criticism (from a poster who has elsewhere supported Warnock) requires MORE THAN TWO HUNDRED people to pile on with nasty and entirely repetitive "How dare you question a Senator's multiple god references in an acceptance speech??" posts.

As GusBob pointed out above, if it had been Huckabee referencing god in a speech multiple times, DU would have had - and in fact HAS had - a very different response. Which says the OPs point is a legitimate one.

I have no issue with Warnock referencing god.

I have big issues with the creepy pile-on that is this thread.

[old as dirt]

233. Disgust with Sen. Warnock's culture...

...has nothing to do with Huckabee and his culture.

A better comparison might be disgust registered against MLK's speeches.

[Scrivener7]

235. Kay. Then by all means, keep up this absurd pile-on because you disagree

with a single complaint posted by someone who has elsewhere shown total support for Warnock.

Another couple hundred outraged chastisements will surely make the poster fall in line and obey the DU company line about when it's OK to combine god and government.

And PS: MLK was never an elected official. So no, that's not a better comparison.

[old as dirt]

238. If you see my posting the actual content...

...of the speech in full (or perhaps replying to your own post) as an "absurd pile on", then so be it.

Then by all means, keep up this absurd pile-on because you disagree with a single complaint posted by someone who has elsewhere shown total support for Warnock.

PS: MLK was born in 1929 and assassinated at age 39 in 1968, whereas Sen Warnock was born the year after, in 1969, and was not assassinated at age 39, and went on to run for public office in 2020 at age 51.

[AngryOldDem]

236. It's all about context with me.

Warnock’s speech did not offend me, because it paid tribute to much more than just divine help.

Where I do have an issue is when faith and religion are used cynically, or intentionally to curry favor with a particular part of the population. The debate over the same-sex marriage act was a good example.

Joy Reid summed it up. “He’s a preacher. You’re gonna get a sermon.” But it was a sincere sermon.

[ruet]

246. I'm Throwing My Lot In With This Clique.

It bothers me when President Biden pontificates as well. I'm resigned to the fact that it won't change in my lifetime.

[cherish44]

231. He's in the Bible Belt and needs the support of people of faith

Everyone can believe or not believe in what they want as far as I'm concerned. I'm just happy he won. Thank You God or whatever for this victory!

[oasis]

234. No God, no Warnock, no senate majority. Count your blessings. nt

[Shellback Squid]

237. ok Francis

[kentuck]

239. Why?

Are all the atheists being converted?

In my opinion, a little bit of "god stuff" will not harm the Democratic Party.

How big of a tent do we want?

[old as dirt]

240. Rev. Warnock was arrested for praying in the Rotunda in 2017.

I think he's allowed to mention God in a speech.

Rev. Raphael Warnock talks about 2017 arrest at U.S. Capitol (2017 archive video)

[ripcord]

243. I am honestly amazed at how many people wrongly believe they have a right to freedom from religion

[JCMach1]

244. This is culturally part of the language of resistance in the African

American tradition...

As an atheist it doesn't bother me one bit. I know exactly where he is coming from.

[old as dirt]

245. This is true of my wife's culture as well.

Her ancestors ran away from their masters centuries ago and established a palenque. (El Palenque del Castigo.)

As an atheist, I believe that she is entitled to her culture.

The same goes goes Sen Warnock.

The Democratic Party is a multicultural party, in a multicultural nation, and we need to treat each other with respect.

[JCMach1]

252. ++

[betsuni]

254. +1 Yes, the Democratic Party is not "too big of a tent."