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AZLD4Candidate

(5,656 posts)
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 07:00 AM Dec 2022

This is long, but it's about what's happening in China and how it relates to all of us

As you know, I live here again. We're still trying for the Green Card but we have pretty much lost hope.

With that said:

For those in the states, let me explain something. the Chinese don't care about masking. they wear masks all the time even before this BS with covid. they have masks to warm their faces, for bad pollution days, for house cleaning, for cooking and serving food, etc.

What they are protesting are arbitrary never ending quarantined that they need to pay for and people are dying and starving in them. they are protesting with blank white printer paper being symbolic that their government doesn't care about them yet alone listen to them.

here are current conditions here:
-youth unemployment at 40%
-internet completely restricted to things the CCP can regulate and wipe clean - intranet
-Quarantining and testing now having financial incentive with accounts for 1.3% of the Chinese GDP
-restricting travel throughout China by changing covid QR codes from green to red for no reason
-restricting travel out of China but making getting and renewing passports nearly impossible
-a housing market near complete collapse which most people put their life savings in and accounts for 39% of the GDP
-a banking system low on funds due to an extra low reserve requirement, mortgage people have given up paying for because their house will never be built, and has become one gigantic Ponzi scheme
-the drums.of war against Taiwan that only the CCP, their members, the kool aid drinkers, and Xi Jinping want
-an aging population where the youth will need to take care of their parents and grandparents as well as their families
-being the only country on earth where there are 100M more men than women in a culture where married men with children are viewed as mature and responsible enough for promoting
-inflation at nearly 12%

these are the traditional signs that a Chinese government has lost the mandate of heaven, something the CCP claimed in 1949.

why am I saying this? we just had an election where 43% of eligible voting age Americans did not even bother to show up. We live in a place we take whatever rights we have left for granted and don't care that our government is doing its best to choose away even more. And the protestors in China are risking arrest, long term detention in horrid jail conditions, beating, torture, a life destroyed if they get out or death while in jail for a fraction of what we take for granted or don't care when it's destroyed.

our apathy will destroy us and give us a tyrant like Ron DeSantis, who nothing more than that Trump with a nice paint job. the world's apathy to brutal regimes like Kim, Putin, Iran's Ayatollah, Eritrea, Egypt, Bolsanaro, Burma's military junta, and Xi's revival of Mao era policies will lead us all down the path of acceptance of authoritarianism.

Thank you for reading.

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This is long, but it's about what's happening in China and how it relates to all of us (Original Post) AZLD4Candidate Dec 2022 OP
Keep reporting please. The compare & contrast with the US is valuable... Hekate Dec 2022 #1
Done this in the Asian group. AZLD4Candidate Dec 2022 #14
Thank you, I will look there Hekate Dec 2022 #20
I like your description of Ron DeSantis calimary Dec 2022 #2
Trump is the pig keroro gunsou Dec 2022 #22
What a fascinating detailed insightful report. I endorse your last two paragraphs about apathy. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2022 #3
I wish everyone in the US could read your comments. They are so right about voters here. Lonestarblue Dec 2022 #4
I had no idea it was this bad in China, mrsadm Dec 2022 #5
Be careful James48 Dec 2022 #6
Insidious Bear Creek Dec 2022 #7
I hear you, I really do. I prayed all will work out for you. Joinfortmill Dec 2022 #8
K&R, uponit7771 Dec 2022 #9
YEP Cosmocat Dec 2022 #10
The one child policy didn't work out. Culture is so ingrained to value sons over daughters. scarletlib Dec 2022 #11
No. THANK YOU for giving us priceless perspective on the importance of democracy. ancianita Dec 2022 #12
I listen to geopolitical expert Peter Zeihan on YouTube. He talks about the impact of demographics Pepsidog Dec 2022 #13
I read a post that China was requiring people to check in when leaving work, and when leaving home. 58Sunliner Dec 2022 #15
whenever they enter a public building, public transit, or place of employment, they need to AZLD4Candidate Dec 2022 #16
WOW. HS. That sounds like a nightmare. Thanks for replying. 58Sunliner Dec 2022 #17
Yes. "it's the law" the same attitude the Nazis had at Nurhemburg AZLD4Candidate Dec 2022 #18
That is really scary. Be safe! 58Sunliner Dec 2022 #19
It's a travesty how little we pay attention to China Sympthsical Dec 2022 #21

Hekate

(90,616 posts)
1. Keep reporting please. The compare & contrast with the US is valuable...
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 07:29 AM
Dec 2022

I figured your move to China would end up being pretty hard, given the nature of their government and culture. I wish you and your wife all the very best as you negotiate this path.

So many Americans really have little idea how other countries work, and the more personal stories/ observations they can read, the better for perspective.

Try to find a forum you can cross-post your essays to, as General Discussion gets so much traffic that OPs can sink out of sight rapidly. A DU friend taught me to cross-post my LA Times articles and comments into Women’s Rights & Issues, so now I do that, even tho I nearly always put things in GD first.

All the best,
Hekate

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
4. I wish everyone in the US could read your comments. They are so right about voters here.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 07:54 AM
Dec 2022

Far too many just can’t be bothered to vote, and then they wonder why things are so bad. I wish you and your wife luck in eventually getting a green card. And thanks for your report. I hope you keep doing them.

mrsadm

(1,198 posts)
5. I had no idea it was this bad in China,
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 08:12 AM
Dec 2022

I have read about the protests but did not realize the extent of what is going wrong there. Thanks for posting your first-hand information.

Cosmocat

(14,560 posts)
10. YEP
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 08:58 AM
Dec 2022

Apathy is absolutely the cancer.

We COULD withstand the right wing brain washing that has poisoned 33% of us into eagerly being part of the deconstruction of the model of democracy.

But for the apathy that allows the "middle" 33% to either not bother to show up to vote and/or to buy into just enough of the bullshit to live in the "they are both the same" bubble.

WE get it and care, but we are out numbered 2 to 1. This is what a lot of people don't get.

scarletlib

(3,410 posts)
11. The one child policy didn't work out. Culture is so ingrained to value sons over daughters.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 09:00 AM
Dec 2022

Many people aborted or killed the female children in order to get that one male child. Strangely, I thought the end result of a female shortage would be more respect for women. Nope. Now the society as a whole pays the price.

ancianita

(36,009 posts)
12. No. THANK YOU for giving us priceless perspective on the importance of democracy.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 09:03 AM
Dec 2022

Thank you for taking the time to write this to us. We need constant reminding that we won't know what we have until it's gone. So you've done DU a real service.





Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
13. I listen to geopolitical expert Peter Zeihan on YouTube. He talks about the impact of demographics
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 09:43 AM
Dec 2022

on populations along with giving a brief, but interesting, world view since the end of WWII. Basic thesis is after WWII the US military allowed free trade amongst nations by keeping sea lanes open in return for siding with the West against USSR.nations were now free to trade goods worldwide. After the break up of the Soviet Union we had over 30 years of unprecedented cheap natural resources provided by the former Soviet Union and cheap labor from China who took only a generation to industrialize. China is doomed because of bad demographics, the one child policy and over-counting in census means China's demographic model spells disaster. China's reliance on foreign natural resources from everything from fertilizer to oil means they are extremely vulnerable. Even more so after Russia's disaster in Ukraine. With 95% of advanced chips made in Taiwan can China really afford to invade and what will the West do in response. Does the West allow China to take over Taiwan's chip industry or do we destroy them and deny China this vital technology. Apparently, the future is all about AI and whoever leads in AI will be the premier superpower.

58Sunliner

(4,375 posts)
15. I read a post that China was requiring people to check in when leaving work, and when leaving home.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 09:59 AM
Dec 2022

Essentially monitoring and restricting their daily movements and monitoring their health as well. Is that true?
Thanks for the post.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,656 posts)
16. whenever they enter a public building, public transit, or place of employment, they need to
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 10:03 AM
Dec 2022

check their QR code.

They don't need to check in leaving home or work because the GPS on their phone and that QR Code make it so easy to track movement and location.

I told my wife in 2019 that COVID would be an authoritarian's wet dream and I was right on so many levels.

58Sunliner

(4,375 posts)
17. WOW. HS. That sounds like a nightmare. Thanks for replying.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:23 PM
Dec 2022

Do foreigners have to submit to this overview?

AZLD4Candidate

(5,656 posts)
18. Yes. "it's the law" the same attitude the Nazis had at Nurhemburg
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:29 PM
Dec 2022

"Just doing my job." "just following orders."

Sympthsical

(9,054 posts)
21. It's a travesty how little we pay attention to China
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:56 PM
Dec 2022

I've tried here and failed to get any traction. If Russia has so much as sneezed in the past 7 years, we hear about it. However a nation of 1.4 billion is facing a series of serious crises, and it's just crickets.

Part of it is how much money and control China currently exerts in our own country. They throw money at our political class. Our media companies, lovingly consolidated in such a way that "journalism" organizations are also coupled in with things like movie studios, don't want to rock the boat too much and lose out on those billions. Our corporations are highly dependent on - and highly compliant with - good relations with an authoritarian regime to make their billions and manufacture their goods.

What Apple did with Air Drop to fuck over dissidents and protestors is far, far, far, far, far more appalling than anything Elon Musk has done all year.

But who is in the media on the daily? Who are we talking about all day every day?

That is not an accident.

It's disgusting how our entire media and political structure just looks the other way because money. And we follow suit, because those same media companies black out any useful information. "Look over here. Don't look over there. Don't worry about it."

And the shit works.

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