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Zorro

(15,740 posts)
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 03:55 PM Dec 2022

Putin Is Preparing to Flee When Russia Implodes, Ex-Aide Says

“The leader’s entourage has not ruled out that he will lose the war, be stripped of power, and have to urgently evacuate somewhere.”

Russia’s Vladimir Putin and his cronies already have a plan in place to flee the country once things go sideways, a former aide to the Russian president has claimed.

Abbas Gallyamov, a former speechwriter for Putin, made the astounding claim on Telegram early Wednesday, citing an unnamed source that he said had “insider” information on the whole affair.

The evacuation plan, according to Gallyamov, got underway back in the spring, when it was unofficially dubbed “Noah’s Ark.”

“As the name implies, it’s about a search for new land to go to in case it becomes completely uncomfortable in the homeland. The leader’s entourage has not ruled out that he will lose the war, be stripped of power, and have to urgently evacuate somewhere,” Gallyamov wrote.

Putin’s inner circle first considered a plan to evacuate to China, Gallyamov said, but later thought better of it, fearing the chances of “cooperation” from the Chinese were slim, especially since they despise “losers.” Now, he said, the focus has shifted to either Argentina or Venezuela, with Putin ally Igor Sechin currently overseeing an evacuation plan for the latter country.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/vladimir-putin-is-preparing-to-flee-to-venezuela-when-russia-implodes-ex-aide-abbas-gallyamov-says
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Putin Is Preparing to Flee When Russia Implodes, Ex-Aide Says (Original Post) Zorro Dec 2022 OP
Can He Take Trump With Him? Beetwasher. Dec 2022 #1
Yes..take tfg and could ya hurry up about it! PortTack Dec 2022 #43
Putin is KGB to his core, of course he has evacuation plans. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #2
Define "safe" in the age of stealth drones A HERETIC I AM Dec 2022 #4
He is the richest man in the world. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #25
In 1945 the richest man in the world... StormKing Dec 2022 #28
$400 billion buys a lot of options. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #31
Oh it won't be easy but... StormKing Dec 2022 #81
Speculation. A HERETIC I AM Dec 2022 #77
Maldives. Bora Bora. Fidji's... Justice matters. Dec 2022 #52
None of those places are "isolated" anymore. A HERETIC I AM Dec 2022 #76
Exactly grandpamike1 Dec 2022 #66
Yup. Remember Zawahiri was hit on his porch in Kabul by a drone... Be vewe vewe afwaid....nt mitch96 Dec 2022 #73
Of course SheltieLover Dec 2022 #6
Not really a... 2naSalit Dec 2022 #3
Maybe he and his buddy Trump will rendezvous in Venezuela, Sogo Dec 2022 #5
How about a different dimension? SheltieLover Dec 2022 #7
Next Stop - The Twilight Zone!! Sogo Dec 2022 #10
I think they should be cell mates. SheltieLover Dec 2022 #12
"And They Can Leave Their Belts On" The Roux Comes First Dec 2022 #27
Sure. SheltieLover Dec 2022 #29
I hear Pluto is nice StClone Dec 2022 #13
Yes! Saturn, too! SheltieLover Dec 2022 #16
Goin' Back to Saturn.... Sogo Dec 2022 #19
I'd never heard that one & I love Stevie Wonder! SheltieLover Dec 2022 #20
And Mercury or Venus. Nice 'n' warm! calimary Dec 2022 #53
True SheltieLover Dec 2022 #54
Elon can take Putie & Chump to Pluto in his penis rocket! Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #58
But ONLY... SergeStorms Dec 2022 #61
Ha ha! Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #63
Many more than a single screw. SergeStorms Dec 2022 #69
I would LMAO ... lpbk2713 Dec 2022 #8
From your keyboard to karma's ear! SheltieLover Dec 2022 #15
Will leave SNOWDEN behind, no sense of obligation. UTUSN Dec 2022 #9
Snowden will be safe... StormKing Dec 2022 #30
How about in Hell , pootie dweller Dec 2022 #11
Wake me when his money and ruthlessness cease to protect him. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2022 #14
I was kinda hoping he'd evacuate to hospice myself (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2022 #17
Can't happen soon enough. ornotna Dec 2022 #18
Suggestion... moondust Dec 2022 #21
SEND Putty to the MOON with Donald Rump !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Trueblue1968 Dec 2022 #22
Or to Mars with Elon Musk. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2022 #34
Siberia would be appropriate. grumpyduck Dec 2022 #23
If Putie's health problems are to be believed,... magicarpet Dec 2022 #24
Defense Dept. regularly warn him and/or his military entourage to refrain from using nukes. Justice matters. Dec 2022 #59
I really thought this was the onion.... lindysalsagal Dec 2022 #26
maybe he and trump can meet up barbtries Dec 2022 #32
I doubt Argentina would take him. tinrobot Dec 2022 #33
Indeed they wouldn't. They have laws against asylum for those committing human rights atrocities. peppertree Dec 2022 #90
He should go where he is not WANTED as a war criminal. jerseyjim Dec 2022 #35
Putin will be easy to find aeromanKC Dec 2022 #36
Would any country want to risk providing him safety? LiberalFighter Dec 2022 #37
Argentina? ThoughtCriminal Dec 2022 #38
Sorry, but I'm trying to imagine Vladimir Putin Vogon_Glory Dec 2022 #39
Mardi-Lardo will take him. Traildogbob Dec 2022 #40
Mar A Lago? world wide wally Dec 2022 #41
Why doesn't lil donnie invite his boss to Mar-A-Lardo? KS Toronado Dec 2022 #42
holy crap the end is nigh for Pootie & his team? onetexan Dec 2022 #44
Why do history's villains flee to Agrentina? Yavin4 Dec 2022 #45
In the 1940s. peppertree Dec 2022 #55
+1, uponit7771 Dec 2022 #75
You've never heard of Operation Paperclip, I take it. peppertree Dec 2022 #91
Got nowhere to run; nowhere to hide japple Dec 2022 #46
There's a small dacha waiting for him in northern Siberia where he can spend his days... madinmaryland Dec 2022 #47
Plenty of Nazis headed to South America when they started losing the war IronLionZion Dec 2022 #48
If Putin loses power, I suspect his "evacuation" will be to the grave. Chainfire Dec 2022 #49
Yes. My guess is it will be quick, unexpected and to the back of his head Buckeyeblue Dec 2022 #51
the Onion? Pretty silly... WarGamer Dec 2022 #50
There is probably always an exit plan for every leader in the world. Xolodno Dec 2022 #60
I suspect all presidents do, even in times of peace. Just in case. Hamlette Dec 2022 #56
Book him a flight to the Deutsche Demokratische Republik Kennah Dec 2022 #57
That window of opportunity closed a long time ago Warpy Dec 2022 #62
I'm very curious. indigoth Dec 2022 #64
Same way I know of Peter Thiel's fantasy about hopping on a motorcycle Warpy Dec 2022 #68
What happened to his SeaSteading Fantasy? msfiddlestix Dec 2022 #78
French Polynesia sank it Warpy Dec 2022 #85
LOL!. msfiddlestix Dec 2022 #87
He got a 'ratline' to escape...how very Nazi of him Historic NY Dec 2022 #65
This sounds a lot like the last two years of PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2022 #67
Hope he's captured and returned to the Ukraine. edbermac Dec 2022 #70
like republianmushroom Dec 2022 #71
What does it mean when Russia Implodes, I wonder? msfiddlestix Dec 2022 #72
Anywhere in the world, he will found and he will be Trotskyed Torchlight Dec 2022 #74
North Korea. roamer65 Dec 2022 #79
Horseshit. maxsolomon Dec 2022 #80
A autocratic kleptocrat should always do to things: TomSlick Dec 2022 #82
Keeping tacit approval of war among population likely to be 'increasingly difficult for Kremlin.' LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #83
He's not coming here, that's for sure FakeNoose Dec 2022 #84
He should go out with a bang, like Gaddafi, riding a bayonet dildo Kennah Dec 2022 #86
It's funny that the enablers think they are going with him genxlib Dec 2022 #88
I hear there is a spider hole available in Iraq.... yellowcanine Dec 2022 #89

Irish_Dem

(47,014 posts)
25. He is the richest man in the world.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:22 PM
Dec 2022

And has extensive experience with evacuation plans.

I assume he has fully equipped hidey holes all over the world.

It would be easy for him to fake his death, get some plastic surgery and live quietly somewhere.

StormKing

(243 posts)
28. In 1945 the richest man in the world...
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:33 PM
Dec 2022

... could probably disappear as well as his money. Now? Ain't happening. He might get away for a few months, but his resources will get caught and taken until he's penniless and his entourage, unpaid, will flee.

Irish_Dem

(47,014 posts)
31. $400 billion buys a lot of options.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:45 PM
Dec 2022

And he has his cash well hidden.

He may get caught yes.
But I don't think he'll go easy.

StormKing

(243 posts)
81. Oh it won't be easy but...
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 09:43 PM
Dec 2022

.... he's done f*cked with Jews. And they are still hunting Hitler's people down. Putin will hide, it'll be good, but once they start closing in his money will disappear, his options will dwindle and they'll get their hands around his neck physically. Even if he kills himself first.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,367 posts)
77. Speculation.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 07:42 PM
Dec 2022
He is the richest man in the world.

Any proof to that? Sure he has swiped a buttload of money, but The Richest?!? Bit of a stretch, I'd say

And has extensive experience with evacuation plans.

Really? Is he like some sort of a James Bond type that has a complete understanding of every possible scenario that might be thrown at him? Able to fly a helicopter one minute and an airliner the next? Ridiculous. He ain't superman.

I assume he has fully equipped hidey holes all over the world.

Another Really?!? How many other people like him have hidey holes all over the world?

It would be easy for him to fake his death, get some plastic surgery and live quietly somewhere.

So now we're into the realm of a Hollywood Movie script. Got ya.

He can hide for a while, but as I said below, if someone is determined to get to him, he won't have any luck at all in staying alive for long.

Justice matters.

(6,928 posts)
52. Maldives. Bora Bora. Fidji's...
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 05:58 PM
Dec 2022

Lots of isolated spaces to go with millions of $$$ (converted before the illegal invasion and stored in Swiss banks I'm sure).

Also, lots of crowded spaces, like Dubai, UAEs, SA (but a little too hot to my tastes).
Just don't use real names in communications.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,367 posts)
76. None of those places are "isolated" anymore.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 07:37 PM
Dec 2022

I can order up flights to all 3 of those places in 2 minutes on Google.

I just don't buy the idea that he can truly hide if someone, be it a government or pissed off Russian he betrayed, really wants to unalive him.

Someone could poison his Mai Tai in Bora Bora pretty easily, and a Submarine can put a strike team undetected on any island you can possibly think of.

grandpamike1

(193 posts)
66. Exactly
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 06:43 PM
Dec 2022

Osama Bin Laden, thought the same thing, as did Saddam Hussein, but you will be found and destroyed.

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
5. Maybe he and his buddy Trump will rendezvous in Venezuela,
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:00 PM
Dec 2022

but, sheesh, I'd personally feel much better if it was in a different hemisphere (or galaxy)....

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
10. Next Stop - The Twilight Zone!!
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:05 PM
Dec 2022

"You are about to enter another dimension. A dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land of imagination. Next stop—The Twilight Zone."

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
29. Sure.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:34 PM
Dec 2022

Tfg would drive pootin nuts & pootin would not pay any attention to tfg because he would no longer be of value.

The 50th circle of hades for both of them!

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
19. Goin' Back to Saturn....
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:11 PM
Dec 2022




Packing my bags, going away
To a place where the air is clean
On Saturn
There's no sense to sit and watch the people die
We don't fight our wars the way you do
We put back all the things we use
On Saturn
There's no sense to keep on doing such crimes
There's no principles in what you say
No direction in the things you do
For your world is soon to come to a close
Through the ages all great men have taught
Truth and happiness just can't be bought or sold
Tell me, why are you people so cold?
I'm
Going back to Saturn where the rings all glow
Rainbow, moonbeams and orange snow
On Saturn
People live to be two hundred and five
Going back to saturn where the people smile
Don't need cars 'cause we've learn to fly
On Saturn
Just to live to us is our natural high
We have come here many times before
To find your strategy to peace is war
Killing helpless men, women and children
That don't even know what they are dying for
We can't trust you when you take a stand
With a gun and bible in your hand
And the cold expression on your face
Saying give us what we want or we'll destroy
I'm
Going back to Saturn where the rings all glow
Rainbow, moonbeams and orange snow
On Saturn
People live to be two hundred and five
Going back to saturn where the people smile
Don't need cars 'cause we've learn to fly
On Saturn
Just to live to us is our natural high
It's my dad birthday
I'ma stop on J
Don't do that (let her go first)
Let her go first, please let her go first (let me go first, go 'head)
Alright, let Alwatta go by herself
Okay, then we gon' take turns
Alright
Strawberry, shortcake, cream on top
Tell me the name of your sweetheart
A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P
Paul, oh, Paul

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
20. I'd never heard that one & I love Stevie Wonder!
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:16 PM
Dec 2022

Ty for sharing!

My fav Christmas song is by Stevie! One radio stations never play:

Someday at Christmas men won't be boys
Playing with bombs like kids play with toys
One warm December our hearts will see
A world where men are free
Someday at Christmas there'll be no wars
When we have learned what Christmas is for
When we have found what life's really worth
There'll be peace on earth
Someday all our dreams will come to be
Someday in a world where men are free
Maybe not in time for you and me
But someday at Christmastime
Someday at Christmas we'll see a land
With no hungry children, no empty hand
One happy morning people will share
Our world where people care
Whoa, someday at Christmas there'll be no tears
When all men are equal and no man has fears
One shinning moment one prayer away
From our world today
Someday all our dreams will come to be
Someday in a world where men are free
Maybe not in time for you and me
But someday at Christmastime
Someday at Christmas man will not fail
Hate will be gone and love will prevail
Someday a new world that we can start
With hope in every heart, yeah
whoa, yeah
(Someday in a world where men are free)
Maybe not in time for you and me
But someday at Christmastime
Someday at Christmastime

Thx for sharing!

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
8. I would LMAO ...
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:02 PM
Dec 2022


if when the time comes and he arrives at his "sanctuary" he finds himself under arrest for war crimes.


StormKing

(243 posts)
30. Snowden will be safe...
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:36 PM
Dec 2022

...the next regime will want him alive.

He'll have a job at the Gremlin soon enough.

Oh did I misspell that?

dweller

(23,629 posts)
11. How about in Hell , pootie
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:06 PM
Dec 2022

“ have to urgently evacuate somewhere “ … if this were a game of Clue , it would be ‘On the staircase , in your trousers ‘

I’ll settle for Hell

✌🏻

magicarpet

(14,145 posts)
24. If Putie's health problems are to be believed,...
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:21 PM
Dec 2022

.... he will need more than a bottle of aspirin to keep his body going. More stability and less travel might be better results for his medical team.

One would hope that in advancing years,... Putie is not inclined to making rash moves in the Ukraine War zone so he can cement his warmonger legacy as the victorious tactician of the battlefield.

If he gets desperate or backed against the wall he might be inclined to look more favorably upon nuclear weapons in a more dangerously cavalier way - to induce a cease fire or surrender by Ukraine to the "Russian Motherland".

Desperate and deranged people do desperate and deranged things.

Justice matters.

(6,928 posts)
59. Defense Dept. regularly warn him and/or his military entourage to refrain from using nukes.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 06:30 PM
Dec 2022

By phone or by text comms.

No suspicious moves get detected by surveillance satellites.

To start using nukes, even tactical, means nobody knows where that will lead, when that will end and in which condition the human race as a whole will be left when that will end.

barbtries

(28,789 posts)
32. maybe he and trump can meet up
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 04:54 PM
Dec 2022

on some faraway deserted island and trump can kiss putin's ass all the way to hell.

peppertree

(21,627 posts)
90. Indeed they wouldn't. They have laws against asylum for those committing human rights atrocities.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:02 AM
Dec 2022

Something we could definitely use (especially in Miami).

LiberalFighter

(50,912 posts)
37. Would any country want to risk providing him safety?
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 05:16 PM
Dec 2022

They would need to consider he might want to overthrow their government.

Vogon_Glory

(9,117 posts)
39. Sorry, but I'm trying to imagine Vladimir Putin
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 05:17 PM
Dec 2022

Taking up residence in Caracas.

He’d definitely feel out of place.

peppertree

(21,627 posts)
55. In the 1940s.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 06:08 PM
Dec 2022

Have you ever visited the Highway 78 corridor between Carlsbad and Escondido?

Thousands of them; their descendants will (after a few beers) proudly tell you about their Oma's and Opa's SS past.

And yes, they're mostly Republicans.

peppertree

(21,627 posts)
91. You've never heard of Operation Paperclip, I take it.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:07 AM
Dec 2022
Thousands of Nazis - many of them experts in any kind of crime against humanity you can imagine, plus money laundering, extortion, etc.

A lot of them ended up in the Carlsbad/Escondido, CA, area. And yes, their descendants are mostly Republicans.

madinmaryland

(64,931 posts)
47. There's a small dacha waiting for him in northern Siberia where he can spend his days...
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 05:37 PM
Dec 2022

Pounding snow.

Buckeyeblue

(5,499 posts)
51. Yes. My guess is it will be quick, unexpected and to the back of his head
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 05:54 PM
Dec 2022

Putin will die thinking he still controls Russia. Doesn't sound like a bad way to go.

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
60. There is probably always an exit plan for every leader in the world.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 06:30 PM
Dec 2022

But disgruntled ex-aides, etc. will spin it to get media time and capitalize on it.

And people buy it. Remember the story about Putin falling down and crapping himself. It was largely accepted and lauded by a number despite the dubious source and even the CIA stating awhile back that Putin was entirely too healthy.

General Miley acknowledged that the casualty ratio is pretty much 1 to 1, you never know it reading here.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
62. That window of opportunity closed a long time ago
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 06:34 PM
Dec 2022

It shut when those columns of tanks heading for Kyiv got turned into columns of smoking scrap metal and when most air space was closed to Russian planes.

Now the Russians know that Ukraine is willing and able to strike deep into Russia and they're not safe any more because of Putin's war.

Give that one a while to sink in and there is no way he's going anywhere, not even welded into a chipping container or stuffed into a locker on an oil tanker. It's just not going to happen.

Dictators always think they can skedaddle just before the shit hits the fan. This is wrong because they are incapable of recognizing the moment the shit gets too near the blades and are egocentric enough to think only they can stop the process once it starts.

It's why so many meet violent, grisly ends.

indigoth

(137 posts)
64. I'm very curious.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 06:40 PM
Dec 2022

How would anyone, outside of putins inner-most circle, have access to this kind of information.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
68. Same way I know of Peter Thiel's fantasy about hopping on a motorcycle
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 06:46 PM
Dec 2022

and weaving his way through traffic running away from nuclear Armageddon, AR-15 stripped to the handlebars, to where his private jet was all fueled up and waiting for him, the pilot not daring to take off before he got there and the bike and the jet still operational despite multiple electromagnetic pulses.

They can't help sharing their master plans with people around them who don't have access to things like private jets.

msfiddlestix

(7,281 posts)
78. What happened to his SeaSteading Fantasy?
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 07:45 PM
Dec 2022

He and Patre Friedman (Milton Friedman's grandson) planned it out for years.. I thought it was a thing that ame to fruition.

I haven't checked in a long time.

They had it all figured out, down to the minting of their money. to be floating in the San Francisco Bay, dumping their shit in the sea using up our energy resources, but yeah an independent and free sovereign city, state, country



https://www.seasteading.org/




PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
67. This sounds a lot like the last two years of
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 06:44 PM
Dec 2022

"Trump is toast! He's about to be indicted!"

People here have also predicted endlessly that he will flee the country.

Sorry, I don't believe either man will do such a thing.

And I'm tired of waiting for Trump to face real consequences of anything he's done.

msfiddlestix

(7,281 posts)
72. What does it mean when Russia Implodes, I wonder?
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 07:29 PM
Dec 2022

What exactly are we to understand by the meaning of an Imploding Russia?

Like there's going to be some sort of new Bolsheivick style revolution or perhaps people storming the Kremlin with their pitchforks?

I don't think the people are armed like people here are. Though I guess I could be wrong, I was under the impression that guns were illegal among civilians at any rate.

Used metaphorically, I don't see an imploding Russia. I know that from time to time, there were protests in Moscow, but they have been severely crushed by Putin's security forces and imprisoned. At least that was my understanding from the occasional reading in the past few years.

I remain curious..




Torchlight

(3,331 posts)
74. Anywhere in the world, he will found and he will be Trotskyed
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 07:34 PM
Dec 2022

Too many broken people, broken families and broken hearts lie at the feet of this guy. No way he'll last more than a year or two before someone finds the weak spot, exploits the leverage, and gets to him.

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
82. A autocratic kleptocrat should always do to things:
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 09:52 PM
Dec 2022

Stash assets in foreign accounts and have a plan for a quick escape.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,176 posts)
83. Keeping tacit approval of war among population likely to be 'increasingly difficult for Kremlin.'
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 10:23 PM
Dec 2022

This war is becoming increasingly unpopular in Russia and Putin is worried





FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
84. He's not coming here, that's for sure
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 10:39 PM
Dec 2022

He'll probably try to get to Switzerland where his girlfriend is hanging out with his children and a lot of his money.

genxlib

(5,524 posts)
88. It's funny that the enablers think they are going with him
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 08:35 AM
Dec 2022

When he pulls the ripcord, the only people who have a ticket to ride are the ones he needs: body guards, money launderers and private chefs that won’t poison him.

Everyone else will be left to take the fall

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