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kpete

(72,898 posts)
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:47 AM Dec 2022

White women did their white women shit in GA.



What is wrong with my demographic?

How can we complain about women's rights and then vote for the oppressor?

I don't get it. I see it. I believe it. I just don't understand it or how to reach them. It's like their political party is religion and can't ever be wrong.


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White women did their white women shit in GA. (Original Post) kpete Dec 2022 OP
What can I say, I'm a white woman, voted Democratic all my life, I don't know what to tell you Walleye Dec 2022 #1
Keep on being an ally for good. brush Dec 2022 #5
My Sister, a southern Baptist tiredtoo Dec 2022 #88
They want Democratic Party policies but vote Republican. SMH SharonAnn Dec 2022 #137
+100! Rhiannon12866 Dec 2022 #221
The reality is that Lysol2020 Dec 2022 #180
Yeah I don't know what happened. I was brought up in the 50s in the Wesley Methodist Church Walleye Dec 2022 #182
it should not have been close but dems still stupidly ignore the radio advantage. we let 3 Ga unis certainot Dec 2022 #219
Exactly, but nobody seems to be willing to accept this as reality Tumbulu Dec 2022 #230
thanks. if i had time and resources i'd start using AI to digitize rw radio. absent that i will certainot Dec 2022 #232
Again, what do you think Democrats could do? betsuni Dec 2022 #241
the MIT media lab prototype using AI to automatically record transcribe analyze 2.8 BIL talk radio w certainot Dec 2022 #252
How would they stop RW radio? Why do you think they're "ignoring" it? "Force" them how? betsuni Dec 2022 #253
no individuals or even ind orgs are to blame - it's the astounding general stupidity of city-dweller certainot Dec 2022 #254
Bigotry has "permission" to go unleashed these days. No one Hortensis Dec 2022 #184
I know. Amazed and disgusted by the reaction to Griner's release Walleye Dec 2022 #185
It's the 30% of white women who really don't want or need equal pay or equal rights and they don't Samrob Dec 2022 #215
I'm a white woman. Never have, never will vote for a recon. onecaliberal Dec 2022 #2
Keep on being an ally. brush Dec 2022 #8
Of course. I understand that I am a second class citizen. Good for nothing but cranking out onecaliberal Dec 2022 #15
Nope. No second class citizens here. Now is a time to be optimist as the... brush Dec 2022 #25
I'm so sorry. That must be very painful. yardwork Dec 2022 #142
Black women to the rescue again... Ocelot II Dec 2022 #3
Keep up the good work. And give Black men some credit, too. brush Dec 2022 #10
Yes, Black men came through as well. Ocelot II Dec 2022 #23
There's less of a divide between White women and White Men whathehell Dec 2022 #59
Lol. What are you on about? Solomon Dec 2022 #156
Still, 85% of black men voters made the right choice. yardwork Dec 2022 #160
Black people are keeping democracy alive SomedayKindaLove Dec 2022 #167
We're fortunate to be up here in Massachusetts and Connecticut Better Days Ahoy Dec 2022 #39
I'm in MN so I don't see as much of the IWW syndrome - Ocelot II Dec 2022 #43
Much to be proud of in MN! Better Days Ahoy Dec 2022 #82
How about the Ignorant White Men syndrome? whathehell Dec 2022 #72
+1. And yet the news, and the denigration, is about the women. Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #216
Well, since the original post is about the failure of white women in GA Better Days Ahoy Dec 2022 #224
The failure of SOME white women in Georgia.. whathehell Dec 2022 #284
Ahhhh. Then your issue is with the original post author Better Days Ahoy Dec 2022 #285
Don't bother waiting.. whathehell Dec 2022 #286
Figure of speech Better Days Ahoy Dec 2022 #287
Lol..Nice try whathehell Dec 2022 #289
you hit 2 of my favorite places! peacebuzzard Dec 2022 #132
Black women saved bdamomma Dec 2022 #50
"America's early warning system... rubbersole Dec 2022 #62
Steeped in the protocol? czarjak Dec 2022 #127
No idea what that means. Ocelot II Dec 2022 #149
Indoctrination. Some white people are going to vote R, just because. czarjak Dec 2022 #179
I agree. Black women are saving our democracy. I'm grateful. yardwork Dec 2022 #143
Agree, agree, agree. Better Days Ahoy Dec 2022 #288
Institutionalized narcissism. raging moderate Dec 2022 #4
Say Whaaaat?. whathehell Dec 2022 #27
I did no such thing! raging moderate Dec 2022 #69
Sorry, but I very much doubt that you, or anyone, really, whathehell Dec 2022 #91
The data in the OP refutes your statement. yardwork Dec 2022 #146
No it doesn't...Whites of both genders voted Republican whathehell Dec 2022 #152
68% of white women and 71% of white men voters chose Walker. yardwork Dec 2022 #157
11% of Black women voted for Walker and 17% percent of Black men whathehell Dec 2022 #209
Yeah...preach it, girl! rubbersole Dec 2022 #70
Thank you! whathehell Dec 2022 #76
Yeah inthewind21 Dec 2022 #81
Yiu might have misunderstood the poster. yardwork Dec 2022 #144
No, I didn't misunderstand it.. whathehell Dec 2022 #147
I agree that men shouldn't get a pass. yardwork Dec 2022 #150
Yes, but Republican policies oppress white men too, whathehell Dec 2022 #155
I agree completely. My first thought on reading the OP was "what about the white men?!" yardwork Dec 2022 #158
Exactly..Thank you. n/t whathehell Dec 2022 #210
That's often bc of guns, oppression of BIPOC, Women, RW sections of Religion... electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #175
Nonsense Genki Hikari Dec 2022 #248
No, they have not really read the book. They have glossed over it. raging moderate Dec 2022 #266
I understood raging moderate to be happy feet Dec 2022 #205
Latino Men and Latino women is interesting. Slightly more of the men voted Dem than women did JI7 Dec 2022 #6
Yeah that's way interesting. Don't know whaat's going on there. Maru Kitteh Dec 2022 #98
Noticed That Too ProfessorGAC Dec 2022 #104
Catholic women and right-to-life? Sancho Dec 2022 #130
I'm a white woman in Gwinnett county Georgia. I happily voted Warnock. It's not all of us. Nt jezebel321 Dec 2022 #7
I am also a woman in Gwinnett County. In Buford to be exact. judesedit Dec 2022 #55
So true malaise Dec 2022 #73
I suspect a lot of progressive, white women did not vote... Sancho Dec 2022 #135
Yes, to racists, misogynists, bandwaggoners eager to attack, Hortensis Dec 2022 #187
Black women carrying the party, as usual. bearsfootball516 Dec 2022 #9
And Black men. brush Dec 2022 #13
yes Skittles Dec 2022 #213
This is what's off about the notion that reversing Roe will inspire women to vote Democratic Effete Snob Dec 2022 #11
No she didn't dsc Dec 2022 #71
Stacey Abrams was in the GA House mtngirl47 Dec 2022 #79
Glad to see we still have the latino vote. Baitball Blogger Dec 2022 #12
I think it's mostly Flordia where we don't . In most other places JI7 Dec 2022 #22
well somebody has to cook the food at the klan pot lucks dembotoz Dec 2022 #14
Yup. Bah! electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #192
Post removed Post removed Dec 2022 #16
Yeah, and the only person to die at the Nazi clan rally in Charlottesville Farmer-Rick Dec 2022 #65
White southern women have lead the charge in confederate apologia. plimsoll Dec 2022 #151
Are there any polls which show a breakdown of the White Votes JI7 Dec 2022 #17
Throw religion in there, as well. GoCubsGo Dec 2022 #37
Why Do You Think RobinA Dec 2022 #107
I don't think that. GoCubsGo Dec 2022 #129
I'd like to see that as well peggysue2 Dec 2022 #46
In 2020 54% of College Educated Women Voted For The Democrats.👍 n/t electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #177
As a white man I'll say: not much excuse for my demographic either Takket Dec 2022 #18
Thank you!....White MEN consistently vote less democratic whathehell Dec 2022 #28
Interesting that Latino men voted more Democratic unc70 Dec 2022 #41
It goes back and forth. whathehell Dec 2022 #42
Because our bad behavior is reliable and expected. quakerboy Dec 2022 #220
Yea, they will vote Rs the oppressors .... Lovie777 Dec 2022 #19
One comment in the Twitter thread really said it all - Ocelot II Dec 2022 #29
It's the same dynamic in all oppressed groups..Uncle Toms, whathehell Dec 2022 #51
That is just an expansion of LBJ's quote regarding poor white men lonely bird Dec 2022 #256
Who are "they"?? You seem to be painting with a very broad brush.. whathehell Dec 2022 #32
Give the statistics, we can talk about the white women that voted overwhelmingly R Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #89
Lol.The statistics are in the OP.. whathehell Dec 2022 #92
Yeah. You said "they" is painting with a broad brush. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #97
" They" are the women you were describing whathehell Dec 2022 #100
I fully understand that. Why do you think it's painting with a broad brush. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #103
the tweet in the OP does exactly that treestar Dec 2022 #123
Thank you.. whathehell Dec 2022 #136
M$Greedia continued their lies about Latino voters malaise Dec 2022 #20
M$Greedia continued their lies about Latino voters malaise Dec 2022 #21
This is so disappointing! halfulglas Dec 2022 #24
Absolutely correct! The Butler Dec 2022 #61
Privileged "southern belle complex" hlthe2b Dec 2022 #26
Brainwashed cults are equal opportunity ignoramuses NewHendoLib Dec 2022 #30
Many white Southern women are anti-choice. GoCubsGo Dec 2022 #31
Many white women are anti-choice FOR EVERYONE EXCEPT THEMSELVES maxrandb Dec 2022 #64
Yes, I stand corrected. GoCubsGo Dec 2022 #84
Sigh. They are comfortable standing on the pedestal of Traditional Womanhood haele Dec 2022 #33
Much truth there. nt eppur_se_muova Dec 2022 #49
Yikes. Substitute any other race in that sentence. Treefrog Dec 2022 #34
Exactly..This thread was alerted on for Bigotry and Divisiveness whathehell Dec 2022 #56
Yep. Treefrog Dec 2022 #101
Thanks, Treefrog. whathehell Dec 2022 #259
I absolutely agree. nt Raine Dec 2022 #243
Thanks, Raine.. whathehell Dec 2022 #261
Exactly obamanut2012 Dec 2022 #244
Thanks, Obamanut.. whathehell Dec 2022 #260
But white women did vote the way they voted. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #90
So did White Men, AND in larger numbers.. whathehell Dec 2022 #108
Oh, white men are horrible. We knew that. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #109
Thinking that the trope (often true) that Women are More Empathetic, and Kind that they'd tend to be electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #194
This message was self-deleted by its author uponit7771 Dec 2022 #105
If you don't think white people are the problem with this country Ex Lurker Dec 2022 #106
Lol TheBeam19 Dec 2022 #120
The data speaks for itself. yardwork Dec 2022 #148
Totally agree. nt Raine Dec 2022 #225
It is about race. countingbluecars Dec 2022 #35
Mostly about race yes. There are many Whites Roc2020 Dec 2022 #66
Maybe so... Trueblue Texan Dec 2022 #36
Hypnotic trance lambchopp59 Dec 2022 #38
This one puzzles me in a historic way. JohnnyRingo Dec 2022 #40
Skinny Dick's Halfway Inn Celerity Dec 2022 #246
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Dec 2022 #247
O.K. but...how did the reporters know the race of each voter? machoneman Dec 2022 #44
The last sentence says it all... Wounded Bear Dec 2022 #45
Obviously the same thing wrong with white men. LakeArenal Dec 2022 #47
Exactly! Only 3% difference! nt Shipwack Dec 2022 #93
Oh, for sure, but we knew we are horrible. The narrative was that Roe would change things. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #99
But white women know that somehow they could get an abortion somehow LakeArenal Dec 2022 #131
Wouldn't argue that point at all. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #170
Why are results for Oliver being shown? Aviation Pro Dec 2022 #48
The date stamp is Dec 3, the day before the runoff election. milestogo Dec 2022 #57
Rutgers-Eagleton Center for American Women & Politics (45% of women voted paternalistic since 1974). TheBlackAdder Dec 2022 #52
Well, I think it's ignorance. Red-neck upbringing by racist parents and no wish to change judesedit Dec 2022 #53
Maybe they liked the werewolf IronLionZion Dec 2022 #54
I'm a white woman voter in GA. I've never, ever voted for a Republican. CottonBear Dec 2022 #58
Fox News tavernier Dec 2022 #60
+1, this reeks of mass normalization of the horrible. Much similar is going on in Russia where they uponit7771 Dec 2022 #133
Religion plays an even bigger role. Genki Hikari Dec 2022 #249
Someone said it last year - Probatim Dec 2022 #63
How can we complain about women's rights and then vote for the oppressor? Ray Bruns Dec 2022 #67
This is why Iowa is such a hellscape too Bettie Dec 2022 #68
Looking at those demographics, I can certainly understand why Republican leaders are trying 70sEraVet Dec 2022 #74
This old white woman is right there with you. Never have, never will, vote niyad Dec 2022 #75
Except for one guy, ALL people I know in Georgia voted Democratic DFW Dec 2022 #77
OK, but he didn't win 99 to 1. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #94
It means that there are MANY people in Georgia that I/we don't interact with. DFW Dec 2022 #111
Gotcha. Thought is was going a different way. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #113
No sweat. Sorry for the stream of consciousness rambling. I took the day off. DFW Dec 2022 #122
Nonetheless, 68% of white women and 71% of white men voted Republican. yardwork Dec 2022 #154
Anecdote isn't data Genki Hikari Dec 2022 #250
People are confusing their religious beliefs with their political beliefs Mr. Ected Dec 2022 #78
They're probably incentivized by the patriarchy's benefits of the pedestal life role of mother & ancianita Dec 2022 #80
As LBJ said to BIll Moyers... JT45242 Dec 2022 #83
White men voted in a larger percentage than white women, but ok, go off Beaverhausen Dec 2022 #85
+100 sinkingfeeling Dec 2022 #95
Why did only 30% of white women vote against the oppressor. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #102
Ever hear of The Stockholm Syndrome? whathehell Dec 2022 #110
Ok. Sure. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #112
+1 !!! uponit7771 Dec 2022 #118
Um, no whathehell Dec 2022 #139
I guess the question begs what are the reason(s) right? tia uponit7771 Dec 2022 #237
All the white men I know would not have voted for him either, except one - my 97 year old father Beaverhausen Dec 2022 #114
I'm not. I have said multiple times in this thread that we know white men are horrible. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #121
Stockholm syndrome. soldierant Dec 2022 #222
Religious beliefs are a big part of our country's conservative political agenda. A lot jalan48 Dec 2022 #159
For sure. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #171
I'm not a religious person but I don't think Warnock's statements were out of bounds. jalan48 Dec 2022 #174
Doesn't it make it hard to say the shitty religious views shouldn't be allowed in government Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #176
True, I'd rather we didn't have our politicians touting their religious bnafides but jalan48 Dec 2022 #178
THAT is a fundamental point that needs to be driven home. Celerity Dec 2022 #207
What's the shittiest thing folks see in this speech? old as dirt Dec 2022 #264
Thanks for posting. Did not see the speech elsewhere. A great closer "dark times" btw. WE WON! machoneman Dec 2022 #265
I had to Google the text... old as dirt Dec 2022 #267
Not my point, but you know that. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #269
No I don't. old as dirt Dec 2022 #270
For the last time. I'm NOT talking about anything offensive in his speech. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #271
You don't want good people in government... old as dirt Dec 2022 #272
Also 100% not what I said. Stop building strawmen. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #273
You admitted... old as dirt Dec 2022 #274
I said I didn't like his use of god and religion. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #275
What makes your culture superior? old as dirt Dec 2022 #276
This has nothing to do with culture. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #277
It's all about culture. old as dirt Dec 2022 #279
It's about religion. Is that unique to one culture? Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2022 #281
If I want to know about religion, ... old as dirt Dec 2022 #283
Yep..Me too. n/t whathehell Dec 2022 #262
IMHO this is inflammatory. Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2022 #86
Man created God to control woman. CrispyQ Dec 2022 #87
That's exactly why they wrap their party in the bible. It's the only way they can win. lindysalsagal Dec 2022 #96
Betcha this poll is little different Wednesdays Dec 2022 #115
Sad, thank goodness they didn't cost us this Senate seat! Emile Dec 2022 #116
They are the ones that do not complain about treestar Dec 2022 #117
That's fucked up ismnotwasm Dec 2022 #119
Do you happen to have any theories why their vote went this way in GA? thx in advance. Walker ... uponit7771 Dec 2022 #125
I work around hundreds of those white women who do shit like this in GA peacebuzzard Dec 2022 #124
I grew up in SC and GA - mostly rural towns. Sancho Dec 2022 #126
I'd guess there are very few esp in The South, though we do have quite a bit of... electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #190
30% of white women do care assuming this poll is correct and who really knows...this included Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author Emile Dec 2022 #145
Without Knowing RobinA Dec 2022 #134
Walker was black but controlled by countingbluecars Dec 2022 #140
Racism played a huge part in this election. yardwork Dec 2022 #183
Fucking shameful. Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #138
White Men did proportionately MORE "White Men Shit" than whathehell Dec 2022 #141
Why do white people vote against their best interests? Keepthesoulalive Dec 2022 #163
I seriously don't understand how they can vote that way relayerbob Dec 2022 #153
Yeah, sucks Joinfortmill Dec 2022 #161
Where do these numbers come from? moondust Dec 2022 #162
Excellent question. Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #218
Georgia folks snowybirdie Dec 2022 #164
"It's like their political party is religion and can't ever be wrong." The GOP is a religious cult Ford_Prefect Dec 2022 #165
I love all of our voters. Without the any one of the groups listed here we would not have won. Midnight Writer Dec 2022 #166
I don't believe the numbers... anotherOKIE Dec 2022 #168
the majority of US white male voters overall vote for Rethugs, #facts Celerity Dec 2022 #203
not in dispute anotherOKIE Dec 2022 #204
Another white woman cleolew Dec 2022 #169
So tiresome being lumped in with the ignorant masses BlueKentuckyGirl Dec 2022 #172
I'm sick and tired of it as well. Boomerproud Dec 2022 #200
Goodbye? BlueKentuckyGirl Dec 2022 #214
I wasn't saying goodbye to you. Boomerproud Dec 2022 #236
I get that BlueKentuckyGirl Dec 2022 #263
DU. Boomerproud Dec 2022 #268
Thank-you for clarifying. BlueKentuckyGirl Dec 2022 #280
Roaches for Raid? UpInArms Dec 2022 #173
A Big *Thank You* to almost all of our Black Women & Most of our Black Men Citizens... electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #181
More white women voted for Warnock than white men. Ms. Toad Dec 2022 #186
I'm Very Grateful that I was Born in NYC thus affording me a better chance of being part of a... electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #188
Too bad you have not yet been able to elect a female mayor delisen Dec 2022 #193
Yeah, sigh, well, MS.Wiley was My First Choice in our new Rank Choice voting system. electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #195
I believe you will get there. delisen Dec 2022 #197
Hello ex-NYC'r. What part. I've lived in upper Washington Hgts, Brooklyn near... electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #198
Hopefully in my lifetime! I'm 69. electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #202
What about the Asian American breakout in this equation? brush Dec 2022 #189
Georgia now has a black Senator and a Jewish senator delisen Dec 2022 #191
Yes, WOC are Democracy's Best Cha Dec 2022 #196
I looks like 3% of Georgia white women did not vote how their husbands told them to... Chainfire Dec 2022 #199
🤔 I think bc all my white (like myself) women friends are center to left Democrats that I Forget... electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #201
Post removed Post removed Dec 2022 #206
I don't get it either mcar Dec 2022 #208
This message was self-deleted by its author MenloParque Dec 2022 #211
As a white woman, I can say they only care about themselves. Iris Dec 2022 #212
I don't get why you're picking on "white women" when the "White men" are just as vile FakeNoose Dec 2022 #217
The low percentage of Latinas who voted Rev Sen Warnock surprises me tishaLA Dec 2022 #223
Post removed Post removed Dec 2022 #226
The demographic is based on voter turnout of 51%. 58Sunliner Dec 2022 #227
White men proved themselves MAGATs iemanja Dec 2022 #228
Excuse me, why should I believe this??? CloudWatcher Dec 2022 #229
ONCE AGAIN ASIANS NOT represented, guess we all YoshidaYui Dec 2022 #231
One more reason this is a garbage poll pnwmom Dec 2022 #234
Don't ask me... YoshidaYui Dec 2022 #235
This is a GARBAGE poll, and I will tell you why. pnwmom Dec 2022 #233
I wish, but his poll VERY close to Texas numbers (link) uponit7771 Dec 2022 #239
Those were the TX numbers from the general election, and they don't show pnwmom Dec 2022 #242
I went looking for sources for it. I found data for women vs men and data Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #258
I cannot help but shake my head in wonder over why anyone would really vote for Walker at all. cstanleytech Dec 2022 #238
+1!!!! He did everything but bite the head off of a Puppy on live TV !! uponit7771 Dec 2022 #240
Why is anybody touchy about this? betsuni Dec 2022 #245
A possible reason is, there is no separate thread about white Georgian men being evil Temeret Dec 2022 #257
It's unfuckingbelievable Native Dec 2022 #251
I wonder what percentage of those white women are married? Ilsa Dec 2022 #255
I'm shocked to see so many black men voted for Walker The Third Doctor Dec 2022 #278
Good lesson then? Conservative temperament and convictions Hortensis Dec 2022 #282

Walleye

(43,618 posts)
1. What can I say, I'm a white woman, voted Democratic all my life, I don't know what to tell you
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:49 AM
Dec 2022

I’m telling you they think the Democratic Party is the great Satan and God will know if they vote for us. They will go downstairs instead of to heaven when they die. I’m positive that’s it.

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
88. My Sister, a southern Baptist
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:20 AM
Dec 2022

Was visiting me prior to one of the former elections. I was working at the local Democratic office part time. One day I asked her if she wanted to go to office with me just to see what I do etc. She gave me a look like I had asked her to go to the most evil place on this earth. Didn't understand that look at that time but, as time passed I did understand where it came from.

Lysol2020

(25 posts)
180. The reality is that
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 01:19 PM
Dec 2022

The White women in GA are still hard core Republicans resembling Laura Ingraham. Nothing that can be done about this, but we do appreciate White women who choose love and human rights.

Walleye

(43,618 posts)
182. Yeah I don't know what happened. I was brought up in the 50s in the Wesley Methodist Church
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 01:45 PM
Dec 2022

We were taught tolerance, racial equality, love and generally just looking out for the little guy. I don’t know what happened to religion in this country. I became an atheist in about age 12 when our public schools integrated and the bigots were revealed in our church. They decided to cancel the Saturday night sock hops rather than let the black kids attend. I was pretty disappointed to find out they didn’t mean what they preached

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
219. it should not have been close but dems still stupidly ignore the radio advantage. we let 3 Ga unis
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:39 PM
Dec 2022

support 14 ex limbaugh stations without complaint!

rw radio is the only unique significant advantage the cons have and if the pollsters would start doing their job it would show how much of that dumbass vote is primarily or secondarily connected to the fact that 40 or so radio stations in Ga dominate political priorities there, like in most states - INFLATION! GAS PRICES! CRIME! IMMIGRANTS WITH EBOLA! MASK MANDATES! GLOBAL WARMING IS A FRAUD! WALKER IS A HEISMANN WINNER! and so on, all for free all day long on 40 or so radio stations.

and if the women don't listen to it their dumbass republican husbands do. and so do their preachers so they know what to say the one day a week they get the dittoheads who listen to the alt reality 5 days a week

Tumbulu

(6,611 posts)
230. Exactly, but nobody seems to be willing to accept this as reality
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:58 PM
Dec 2022

And for the life of me, I cannot understand why.

Thanks for not giving up!

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
232. thanks. if i had time and resources i'd start using AI to digitize rw radio. absent that i will
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 01:26 AM
Dec 2022

keep trying to convince others to do that. it might be lucrative, aside from saving democracy and the planet.......

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
252. the MIT media lab prototype using AI to automatically record transcribe analyze 2.8 BIL talk radio w
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 07:16 AM
Dec 2022

words should be applied to the few dozen dominant blowhards on 1500 radio stations.

the democratic party and the 'left' and all environmentalists tired of hearing global warming denial have to stop ignoring RW radio or go down as the most incompetent political force in history. the dem party or it's allies must digitize RW radio and force the ad industry to democratize rw radio.

https://www.media.mit.edu/publications/radiotalk-a-large-scale-corpus-of-talk-radio-transcripts/

it's fuckign stupid, the biggest political mistake in history

'we let' 1500 radio stations put carnival barkers on every corner and stump in the country, screaming your sister's a whore, your brother's a thief, and your ideas are treasonous all day and then celebrate close elections that should have been no brainers.

a no brainer election is one where a global warming denier makes it through the primaries

betsuni

(28,620 posts)
253. How would they stop RW radio? Why do you think they're "ignoring" it? "Force" them how?
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 07:19 AM
Dec 2022

Why blame Democrats?

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
254. no individuals or even ind orgs are to blame - it's the astounding general stupidity of city-dweller
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 07:40 AM
Dec 2022

dwellers dominating dem and media leadership

for eg, no one will likely ever feedback to ari melber that maybe the next time he has sam nunberg on maybe he should bring up nunberg telling NY magazine that he listened to "1000s of hours of talk radio" for trump in 2014 and question if those reports might have gone to russian troll farms.

stephanie rhule puts on someone re salem talk radio, stupidly declares limbaugh was king of the alternate reality and for decades he was the ONLY one doing that, and counters it with reg guest charlie sykes who was doing the same thing as limbaugh in the Wisconsin area since the early 90s.

dems celebrate recent elections but how could they have been close after what TFG and co did? incumbent party historical precedent factors are idiotic - how often do losers do what he did?

it should not have been close. to lose the house is incompetence and maybe the new leadership can adjust in time

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
184. Bigotry has "permission" to go unleashed these days. No one
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 02:08 PM
Dec 2022

should ever be ABLE to fool himself that it's only on the right and that only on the right is it condoned and even encouraged. Tenor of the times.

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
215. It's the 30% of white women who really don't want or need equal pay or equal rights and they don't
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 08:29 PM
Dec 2022

want the rest of us to have it either.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
2. I'm a white woman. Never have, never will vote for a recon.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:52 AM
Dec 2022

I can’t even fathom what is running through the empty skull that supports their evil.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
15. Of course. I understand that I am a second class citizen. Good for nothing but cranking out
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:59 AM
Dec 2022

Children. My oldest daughter married into one of those “Christian” families. We don’t recognize her anymore. It’s very sad and painful.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
25. Nope. No second class citizens here. Now is a time to be optimist as the...
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:03 AM
Dec 2022

Biden admin and Dems keep getting things done domestically and internationally.

Ocelot II

(128,732 posts)
3. Black women to the rescue again...
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:53 AM
Dec 2022

Speaking as a white woman who has always voted Democratic, like almost all the other white women I know, I can't figure it out either.

Ocelot II

(128,732 posts)
23. Yes, Black men came through as well.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:01 AM
Dec 2022

A lot of them probably found Walker to be an embarrassment, a sad stereotype of what white racists think Black men are like - and why TFG and the GOP pushed him to run.

whathehell

(30,326 posts)
59. There's less of a divide between White women and White Men
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:48 AM
Dec 2022

than there is between Black Women and Black Men -
- Check the stats.

SomedayKindaLove

(1,171 posts)
167. Black people are keeping democracy alive
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:48 PM
Dec 2022

At this point I’m pretty sure we’d be completely fascist without them.

Better Days Ahoy

(706 posts)
39. We're fortunate to be up here in Massachusetts and Connecticut
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:24 AM
Dec 2022

Where the Ignorant White Woman (IWW) syndrome is less of an issue. We just ignore them as irrelevant howlers at the moon and elect high majority Dems at state, local and national levels. We wouldn't considering living in any states with that problem.
Much respect to all of you who do and soldier on.

Albuquerque, New Mexico, and possibly southern Colorado are future options, too. So is Portugal.

Ocelot II

(128,732 posts)
43. I'm in MN so I don't see as much of the IWW syndrome -
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:27 AM
Dec 2022

and this year we elected an all-Dem legislature, kept our Dem governor, lt. gov. and AG - but they're out there when you get out of the cities.

Better Days Ahoy

(706 posts)
82. Much to be proud of in MN!
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:10 AM
Dec 2022

Also beautiful and quite livable. Too cold for us! I also lived in Michigan and am proud of what's happening there, too.
Minnesota and Michigan are great states!
Keep fighting the good fight.

whathehell

(30,326 posts)
72. How about the Ignorant White Men syndrome?
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:01 AM
Dec 2022

Given that white women of ALL classes vote Democrat in larger numbers than white men, I'd guess you're not quite as "fortunate" there.

Better Days Ahoy

(706 posts)
224. Well, since the original post is about the failure of white women in GA
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:07 PM
Dec 2022

That's where my comments went. Seemed just a tad off-topic to broaden the chat to strike out at white men. They're otherwise an easy target. 😉

Not sure of your point because I'm not clear on what you're saying. Interested in any clarification you'd like to offer.

whathehell

(30,326 posts)
284. The failure of SOME white women in Georgia..
Wed Dec 14, 2022, 11:20 AM
Dec 2022

..Race-based broad brushing is never a good look.




Better Days Ahoy

(706 posts)
287. Figure of speech
Wed Dec 14, 2022, 11:34 PM
Dec 2022

And I am of the same mind as the majority here.
Go after the original author who started the post if you have the stones. Guess not.

whathehell

(30,326 posts)
289. Lol..Nice try
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 04:23 AM
Dec 2022

but if you'd read the thread, you'd know I challenged several here, including the op.

peacebuzzard

(5,789 posts)
132. you hit 2 of my favorite places!
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:52 AM
Dec 2022

Love New Mexico, love Portugal. spent much time in both.
I do live around the IWW but I have a big yard and a hard-to-reach cabin.

raging moderate

(4,600 posts)
4. Institutionalized narcissism.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:53 AM
Dec 2022

Pale skin worshipped as a sign of God's favor. In spite of the increasing danger of skin cancer for very pale skin here on our Earth. They exhort each other to preserve the "white" heritage.

They overlook the Bible passage that says the Lord will appear at the Judgement with a bronze face and hair like white wool.

whathehell

(30,326 posts)
27. Say Whaaaat?.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:07 AM
Dec 2022

I'm a white woman who has NEVER voted for a Republican, nor do I "exhort" other white women to "preserve white heritage", so please stop using that absurdly broad brush to paint white females in this country as bogots and narcissists.








raging moderate

(4,600 posts)
69. I did no such thing!
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:58 AM
Dec 2022

Last edited Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:58 AM - Edit history (3)

I am a "white" woman (born with "red" hair) with a mostly "white" family history (European except for the spouses of two male ancestors, 250 and 150 years ago respectively, who married Algonquin and Mohawk women). My family WAS mostly Republican for a long time, and ardent Abolitionists, and Anti-racist (my Methodist great-grandfather and great-grandmother, running a small poor rural church, did all their own manual labor, invited African-Americans to be their houseguests sometimes, and participated in a large petition drive to close those infamous Indian schools). Our family taught us that all human beings are equal. I never heard that n-word until I went to play at a new schoolfriend's house at age 8, and my mother's jaw dropped in horror when I asked her what it meant, and she told me about the horrors of slavery and the continued killings and beatings of Black people, etc., and WHY I must never, never say that word again. The change in both parties was gradual, and my family gradually switched allegiance as the Republicans grew increasingly racist. I will never forget the bewildered look on my mother's face, not long before she died, after that horrendous switch between the two parties, as she said, "I guess I am voting only for Democrats this time."

I DID NOT say that all "white" females are bigots and narcissists. I said that most of the "white" women who cast these votes for racist Republicans are bigots and narcissists, and deluded about reality from an early age. Do you notice how I put the word "white" in quotation marks? Just telling children they are "white" loosens their grasp on reality. And SOME children in these families ARE taught that our pale skin is a sign of superiority. And that IS narcissism. I do not refer only to southern US states. I grew up in Illinois, and later worked in Illinois schools. When I was working in small-town public schools and some Black children first appeared in our school, I overheard some of my little fellow palefaces expressing some bad feelings about that. I gathered them around a pale brown table and placed a sheet of white paper on the table. "What color is the table," I asked ("brown&quot . "What color is the paper?" ("white&quot . "Now let's all put our hands on the paper," I said (done). "What color are our hands?" (consternation). "If the the paper is white and the table is brown, and our hands are about the same color as the table but not the paper, then, don't you see, we are not white." There was silence, and then one little boy quavered bravely, "My Mommy is white!" Of course I did not press the issue further; he was only being loyal to his family. I just left it for them all to remember and think about.

If you are a non-narcissist, then I am glad to hear it. We need all the support for equality that we can get. And we need all the non-deluded Caucasians to speak up against the delusions of grandeur that have plagued our European heritage for centuries, possibly stemming from the geographical isolation of so many of them back in the old country across the sea. Europe was pretty isolated and primitive for a long time, especially England/Scotland/Ireland. They often painted themselve Blue to keep invaders away. I studied Social Anthropology a lot in college, including the nature of most of the most isolated bands of people. Of course, it is common for these isolated groups to imagine that they are the only real people, at least at first. Whenever these "white" fools start up about our so-called Heritage, I just want to whisper, "SHHH! You are busting our cover!"

whathehell

(30,326 posts)
91. Sorry, but I very much doubt that you, or anyone, really,
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:24 AM
Dec 2022

is qualified to give a psychological diagnosis to a group of women you don't know. I mean, please, at very least you over simplfied a sociologocal issue that is certainly more complex than "narcissism" and some idea of fetishizing white skin, which, even IF relevant, Is no more so than it would be for men -- The fact is, women of ALL races are far more likely to.vote Democratic than their racial counterparts, so why not focus on THEM?


yardwork

(68,838 posts)
146. The data in the OP refutes your statement.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:13 PM
Dec 2022

White women (and men) overwhelmingly chose to vote for the Republican. This is generally true across the nation. If it weren't for non-white voters, Republicans would win almost all elections. Why do you think they're working so hard to suppress votes?

whathehell

(30,326 posts)
152. No it doesn't...Whites of both genders voted Republican
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:18 PM
Dec 2022

but NOT in the same proprtions...White Men ARE more likely to vote Republican, and so are Black men..Check the percentages.

yardwork

(68,838 posts)
157. 68% of white women and 71% of white men voters chose Walker.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:24 PM
Dec 2022

Walker was so obviously impaired and incompetent, it is mind boggling that a large percent of white voters still chose him. Since Republican policies are so oppressive toward women, it's particularly disheartening that a vast majority of white female voters chose the abuser.

whathehell

(30,326 posts)
209. 11% of Black women voted for Walker and 17% percent of Black men
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 05:56 PM
Dec 2022

How do you explain that discrepancy?

P.S. The idea that Republicans are "oppressive" isn't accepted by all women. Those who do believe it are generally Pro- Choice women and all women are not Pro- choice.

rubbersole

(10,956 posts)
70. Yeah...preach it, girl!
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:59 AM
Dec 2022

I'm a white male that met a white woman many years ago and I'm almost positive she's part witch 🧙‍♀️...but she still puts up with me! (24 years and counting. But don't piss her off. Your health/sanity could be at risk.)

yardwork

(68,838 posts)
144. Yiu might have misunderstood the poster.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:10 PM
Dec 2022

I'm a white woman who agrees with that post. Too many white racists who don't even know what the Bible actually says.

whathehell

(30,326 posts)
147. No, I didn't misunderstand it..
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:14 PM
Dec 2022

and my objection has nothing to do with the Bible, either way...Men of ALL races are far more.likely to vote Republican, but I think white women make easier targets here.

yardwork

(68,838 posts)
150. I agree that men shouldn't get a pass.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:16 PM
Dec 2022

I think the OP's point is that Republican policies oppress women, so it's mind-boggling that a large majority of white women still vote Republican. Data shows that the reason is often based on religious teachings.

whathehell

(30,326 posts)
155. Yes, but Republican policies oppress white men too,
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:22 PM
Dec 2022

ESPECIALY those of the working class, and they
they, no less than the women, keep voting against their own interests...It's been a widely discussed issue for years.


yardwork

(68,838 posts)
158. I agree completely. My first thought on reading the OP was "what about the white men?!"
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:25 PM
Dec 2022

electric_blue68

(25,442 posts)
175. That's often bc of guns, oppression of BIPOC, Women, RW sections of Religion...
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 01:02 PM
Dec 2022

anti-BIPOC immigrants etc issues. Those unfortunately override their economic self Interests.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
248. Nonsense
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 06:26 AM
Dec 2022

They have read it, and know exactly what it says. It's why they believe what they do.

I have family who belong to the fundigelical sects. One of them is even married to a minister of a fundie church. That's why I know how many of them have read the book.

Maybe you need to read it--ALL of it--to understand how they're not so far from what it says as you think.

Reading it made me an atheist, but made them judgmental loons. Why I don't have contact with them anymore.

raging moderate

(4,600 posts)
266. No, they have not really read the book. They have glossed over it.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 09:26 AM
Dec 2022

Their thinking shows that their eyes skip over the words like skipping stones across a pond. Once, I was a member of a church that got taken over by such a right-wing fundamentalist bunch. One Sunday, I volunteered to do the New Testament reading. It was the 25th chapter of the gospel of Matthew. I read it carefully, with good pauses at the proper places, and accurate enunciation of the words. This chapter describes how Jesus told a listening crowd that the last judgement will have a scene in which he will tell one bunch of people, "Come, my wonderful friends, to the everlasting joy I have prepared for you! Because you saved me when I was sick, and cold, and starving, and in prison!" and they will say (essentially), "What are you talking about? We never heard of you!" And he will tell them, "Oh, but you saved my suffering brothers and sisters! Do you remember helping people who were sick, or cold, or starving, or in prison? Well, in my mind, those were all my brothers and sisters! So when you saved them, as far as I am concerned, you saved me! So come on into heaven!" The right-wing parson quickly jumped to the pulpit and essentially said, "Heh! Heh! Of course that doesn't mean that unsaved (meaning "un-fundandamentalist&quot people will go to heaven!" Two weeks later, they had somebody read that same passage; she read it at top speed so you could hardly hear what she was saying, and they quickly changed the subject. I left that church soon after that. Of course, the Bible was written 2 - 5 thousand years ago, in a turbulent time and place. But there is a lot of writing in it that condemns greed, snobbery, cruelty, and narcissism.

happy feet

(1,253 posts)
205. I understood raging moderate to be
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 05:19 PM
Dec 2022

hypothesizing why the overwhelming %age of white women voted for Walker/Repubs. Not the 30% who voted for Warnock/Democrat. Especially given that Walker is anti-abortion, et al on women's issues.

JI7

(93,099 posts)
6. Latino Men and Latino women is interesting. Slightly more of the men voted Dem than women did
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:55 AM
Dec 2022

ProfessorGAC

(75,614 posts)
104. Noticed That Too
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:31 AM
Dec 2022

Quite a large difference actually. 61 to 55 seems significant to me.
I find it surprising, like you.

jezebel321

(285 posts)
7. I'm a white woman in Gwinnett county Georgia. I happily voted Warnock. It's not all of us. Nt
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:56 AM
Dec 2022

judesedit

(4,585 posts)
55. I am also a woman in Gwinnett County. In Buford to be exact.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:45 AM
Dec 2022

Are you part of a club or social circle consisting mainly of dems? I'd love to join you.

Sancho

(9,172 posts)
135. I suspect a lot of progressive, white women did not vote...
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:55 AM
Dec 2022

...for lots of reasons, but the votes only reflect the subset who voted.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
187. Yes, to racists, misogynists, bandwaggoners eager to attack,
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 02:17 PM
Dec 2022

it IS all of us.

With every election or event that suggests opportunities to attack "white women," all white women are attacked in free exercises of misogynistic racist bigotry that always "forget" or don't bother to exclude even white women on this forum.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
11. This is what's off about the notion that reversing Roe will inspire women to vote Democratic
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:57 AM
Dec 2022


There is a bizarre unsupported belief that, through some unspoken magic, women will vote against hypocritical abusive men who want to outlaw abortion.

The fact of the matter is that in vast swaths of the country, that is EXACTLY the sort of candidate that white women consistently favor by a voting majority. This was demonstrated twice with Trump and is replicated in other races throughout the country.

Quite obviously, Marjorie Taylor Green has won more elections in Georgia than Stacey Abrams.

mtngirl47

(1,202 posts)
79. Stacey Abrams was in the GA House
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:04 AM
Dec 2022

From 2007 to 2017. Presumably she won 5 elections. MTG has only won 2 at this point.

Baitball Blogger

(51,598 posts)
12. Glad to see we still have the latino vote.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:58 AM
Dec 2022

BTW, I'm going to gloat a little. I gave birth to a Warnock vote!

You're welcome.

JI7

(93,099 posts)
22. I think it's mostly Flordia where we don't . In most other places
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:00 AM
Dec 2022

even if Republicans might gain a bit more the overall votes are still more for Democrats than Republican.

Response to kpete (Original post)

Farmer-Rick

(12,386 posts)
65. Yeah, and the only person to die at the Nazi clan rally in Charlottesville
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:52 AM
Dec 2022

Was a White Woman.

That's the kind of support they give to white women. They have no problem abusing white women as badly as other races they hate. It's white MEN supremacy. A woman's white skin gets her nothing but abuse in Nazi clan life.

plimsoll

(1,690 posts)
151. White southern women have lead the charge in confederate apologia.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:18 PM
Dec 2022

So this isn’t a surprise. Except that 1/4 of white men and a 1/3 white women could look at walker and say “nope.”

The disparity might have been bigger had the GOP candidate been white.

JI7

(93,099 posts)
17. Are there any polls which show a breakdown of the White Votes
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:59 AM
Dec 2022

for example by age and education ?

I would especially be interested in seeing how whites of different ages voted .

But this really just shows how much we depend on black voters.

We focus a lot of young v old but it's still about race more.

The reason young voters these days vote Democratic more is because younger age groups are more diverse and non white compared to older age groups.

Older black people vote Democratic more than young whites .

GoCubsGo

(34,614 posts)
37. Throw religion in there, as well.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:19 AM
Dec 2022

How many of these white Southerners, female and male, get their marching orders from the guy in the pulpit at their mega church every Sunday? Quite a few of them, I'm betting.

GoCubsGo

(34,614 posts)
129. I don't think that.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:51 AM
Dec 2022

I believe the ones in mostly-white Southern churches get different marching orders than the ones with predominately minority congregations. Sen. Warnock's church is a good example. He's not preaching anti-choice, fascist messages the way many of these right-wing, white preachers are. And, I'd say he's probably pretty typical of black churches down here.

peggysue2

(12,361 posts)
46. I'd like to see that as well
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:29 AM
Dec 2022

Another white woman here who's curious about the age and education markers. I would guess that younger white women would vote Democratic because it's their future on the line, be it reproductive rights, climate change and the ease they have with our growing diversity. Older women? Though they should be concerned about their daughters and grand daughters, too often they become set in their ways and/or vote along with male counterparts. From past analyses, we know that education is an equally important marker.

whathehell

(30,326 posts)
28. Thank you!....White MEN consistently vote less democratic
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:10 AM
Dec 2022

than their female counterparts, so I DO wonder why white women seem so often to be the " target of choice".

Lovie777

(21,480 posts)
19. Yea, they will vote Rs the oppressors ....
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 09:59 AM
Dec 2022

but it seems the opposite when abortion restriction/ban, etc are on the ballot, in other words, they will vote for the oppressor individual. Shakes head

Ocelot II

(128,732 posts)
29. One comment in the Twitter thread really said it all -
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:11 AM
Dec 2022

"Women who carry water for the patriarchy just so they can have a slightly longer leash and stand a few rungs up in oppression from other women, especially marginalized women, make me a special kind of angry. Being master's favorite dog is still having a master and being a dog." Despite a few mixed metaphors, this is it.

whathehell

(30,326 posts)
51. It's the same dynamic in all oppressed groups..Uncle Toms,
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:33 AM
Dec 2022

Collaboraters and Sellouts abound...Why would women be any different?

whathehell

(30,326 posts)
32. Who are "they"?? You seem to be painting with a very broad brush..
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:15 AM
Dec 2022

Women of all races are as diverse in their opinions as men and no more likely to be One Issue voters than men...Stop viewing us as a monolith.


Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
89. Give the statistics, we can talk about the white women that voted overwhelmingly R
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:22 AM
Dec 2022

Having a counterexample, doesn't refute the data.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
97. Yeah. You said "they" is painting with a broad brush.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:27 AM
Dec 2022

I only see people painting with a brush as broad as the statistics in the OP.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
103. I fully understand that. Why do you think it's painting with a broad brush.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:30 AM
Dec 2022

Nearly 70% voted for the oppressor.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
123. the tweet in the OP does exactly that
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:47 AM
Dec 2022

not understanding that there are white women, and even some women of color, who are so religious that they think God intended women to be helpmeets to men and not have their own life. It works for them, so they think, or would if it were still the norm.

The tweet even is confused that "we complain about women's rights" when "we" does not include those women.

The Phyllis Schlaflys of the world. There's a great series dramatizing her and her allies.

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
24. This is so disappointing!
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:02 AM
Dec 2022

My grandfather was union, worked in the steel mills. My dad was union when he worked a union job. The Republicans were against the unions and always backed the company bosses - and still do. The super rich would take us back to feudal times if they could and the Republicans would help them..

hlthe2b

(112,517 posts)
26. Privileged "southern belle complex"
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:06 AM
Dec 2022

Listen to the sorority gals at any big Southern University merge any independent thinking with that of their (soon-to-be) husbands and it persists over their lives--unless or until they encounter the real world via a nasty divorce or other hardship. Plenty of non-privileged young white women WILL be the independent thinkers we'd expect to see today, but I witnessed this firsthand over the decades in college and later during another post-doctoral degree program. Traditions for that segment of the population die hard.

Then you have non-college-educated white women married early to blue-collar white men who are staunchly conservative. They tend to merge as well, especially as they become more dependent with kids.

GoCubsGo

(34,614 posts)
31. Many white Southern women are anti-choice.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:14 AM
Dec 2022

A lot of them are okay with fascism. Some things never change down here.

haele

(14,992 posts)
33. Sigh. They are comfortable standing on the pedestal of Traditional Womanhood
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:15 AM
Dec 2022

Which means putting up with all sorts of male bullshit to be kept in a "protected" position of "comfortable honor"so long as they are properly married and he does all the heavy lifting providing the house and money for her. All she has to do is take care of the house, any kids, and keep being "there" for him.
See, whatever happens to a woman in a Traditional Womanhood role is never her fault. It's always someone else's. Unless she didn't try hard enough or bucked the system.
A simple, potentially petty life, but one many women are raised to accept as their future, whether they're of a nurturing nature or not. Any threat to that particular position in a smaller, more traditional society is too often something to be feared or avoided.

So they will vote against the greater interests of women or people in general so they can keep their way of life.

Haele

whathehell

(30,326 posts)
56. Exactly..This thread was alerted on for Bigotry and Divisiveness
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:45 AM
Dec 2022

I voted to remove it, but misogyny -- as long as it's directed at White Women -- is apparently okay here

"Misogyny is the last acceptable bigotry of the Left"
..Katha Pollitt, The Nation.

whathehell

(30,326 posts)
108. So did White Men, AND in larger numbers..
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:37 AM
Dec 2022

So why all the focus on women?..Do you really think working class white men have a BETTER reason to vote for the Millionaire's Party, or are we just an "easier target"?

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
109. Oh, white men are horrible. We knew that.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:39 AM
Dec 2022

The narrative has been that Roe would change the white female vote. We need to revisit that strategy based on these statistics (which, admittedly, is one example in a swing state).

electric_blue68

(25,442 posts)
194. Thinking that the trope (often true) that Women are More Empathetic, and Kind that they'd tend to be
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 02:41 PM
Dec 2022

leaning more to the values of the Democratic Party.

Response to Treefrog (Reply #34)

Ex Lurker

(3,966 posts)
106. If you don't think white people are the problem with this country
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:36 AM
Dec 2022

you may be part of the problem too.

countingbluecars

(4,771 posts)
35. It is about race.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:16 AM
Dec 2022

They buy into the republican replacement theory crap. I watched it happen here in Virginia when Youngkin was elected governor. They are afraid their children won't always be top of the heap.

Roc2020

(1,732 posts)
66. Mostly about race yes. There are many Whites
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:56 AM
Dec 2022

that could not care less about being 'top of the heap'. But most Whites do care. Especially in the South. Reason is there are Whites, especially poor ones, who if they can't see their skin color as an asset, has nothing else in life to be proud of. Very sad.

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
38. Hypnotic trance
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:23 AM
Dec 2022

"Far away, across the field
The tolling of the iron bell
Calls the faithful to their knees
To hear the softly spoken magic spell"

JohnnyRingo

(20,380 posts)
40. This one puzzles me in a historic way.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:24 AM
Dec 2022

Throughout modern electoral history Southern men have been stumped on how democrats get into office. All their friends voted R, but it didn't go that way.

Many a Wednesday evening conversation down at Skinny Dick's Halfway Inn involved Billie Bob ordering a round of Buds saying: "We all voted for the republican, isn't that right Peggy?" His wife would take a sip of her Gin Fizz and say: "Yes dear" "Of course I did".

Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #40)

machoneman

(4,128 posts)
44. O.K. but...how did the reporters know the race of each voter?
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:27 AM
Dec 2022

I mean, from where (and how) does this report get data that specific for actual voters?

Anyone know?

Wounded Bear

(63,718 posts)
45. The last sentence says it all...
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:27 AM
Dec 2022
It's like their political party is religion and can't ever be wrong.


Yep, the conservative conflation of religion and politics is hurting us all.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
99. Oh, for sure, but we knew we are horrible. The narrative was that Roe would change things.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:28 AM
Dec 2022

From this specific example, not so much. White women overwhelmingly voted for the oppressor.

LakeArenal

(29,949 posts)
131. But white women know that somehow they could get an abortion somehow
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:51 AM
Dec 2022

White privilege is real for men and women.

Women are not immune to hypocrisy and the “ I got mine” syndrome.

We aren’t all nurturing earth lovers and justice seekers.

Aviation Pro

(15,170 posts)
48. Why are results for Oliver being shown?
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:31 AM
Dec 2022

I think the graphic doesn't match the true outcomes.

TheBlackAdder

(29,944 posts)
52. Rutgers-Eagleton Center for American Women & Politics (45% of women voted paternalistic since 1974).
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:35 AM
Dec 2022

.

Women in Georgia seem to either be in an outlier state or something changed and they swung hardcore paternalistic.


This was one of the things that stopped the E.R.A., thanks to a mobilization by Phyllis Schlafly.
Then that brought about the Moral Majority and other ilk that manifested over the decades.


I took a Center for American Women and Politics class, which was perhaps the most enlightening college course.

This was in 2016, using current data.


No matter how much people question this, religion plays a key role with most, and this also includes supporting paternalism, especially with orthodox and evangelical crowds. This is the main reason why the ERA doesn't pass, because their vote along with their men are enough to prevent its passage.


Visit and check out the site. It's the only university specializing in women and politics. https://cawp.rutgers.edu/

.

judesedit

(4,585 posts)
53. Well, I think it's ignorance. Red-neck upbringing by racist parents and no wish to change
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:37 AM
Dec 2022

I am white, but in the 30% blue for Warnock. Lots of Georgians are still stuck in the past and have never been out of the state, I'm assuming. Thank God Almighty for all of the men and women of color that saved us once again. It is so hard for me to believe in 2022 that a person could actually believe they are superior to anyone else because they happened to be born with light skin. Mind boggling.

Yay! Senator Warnock won! Woohoo!

IronLionZion

(50,691 posts)
54. Maybe they liked the werewolf
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:41 AM
Dec 2022

People get married younger in the south. Married women may not care as much about choice or equal opportunity.

Warnock did well in urban and many suburban areas, and black rural areas, and with college educated voters.

CottonBear

(21,615 posts)
58. I'm a white woman voter in GA. I've never, ever voted for a Republican.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:46 AM
Dec 2022

I’d like to point out that out of 7,008,203 active, registered voters (Nov. 2022 number from the Georgia SoS) in Georgia, only 3,535,579 people, or 50.4% of active, registered voters, voted in the Senate runoff.

I canvassed during the recent Georgia elections. I met all sorts of people who don’t vote.

I would be interested in a demographic breakdown of non-voters.

uponit7771

(93,455 posts)
133. +1, this reeks of mass normalization of the horrible. Much similar is going on in Russia where they
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:54 AM
Dec 2022

... talk about killing old people and children on talk shows to normalize killing young men for nothing.

Hmmm, how to reach out to a demographic that listens to FAUX News?

I'm thinking sideline FAUX News in to the tabloid news they are and stop treating them like they matter.

Probatim

(3,203 posts)
63. Someone said it last year -
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:52 AM
Dec 2022

white women will tolerate the misogyny to celebrate the racism.

Ray Bruns

(5,896 posts)
67. How can we complain about women's rights and then vote for the oppressor?
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:57 AM
Dec 2022

It was Georgia and the guy had an “R” beside his name. What else is there to know?

Bettie

(19,211 posts)
68. This is why Iowa is such a hellscape too
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:57 AM
Dec 2022

white women voting against their own interest.

I WTF white people daily...and I am a white people.

70sEraVet

(5,202 posts)
74. Looking at those demographics, I can certainly understand why Republican leaders are trying
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:01 AM
Dec 2022

so hard to suppress the American American vote!
My rural county in Tennessee has a population of 1.25% African American. I suspect it will be many years before I see my county support a Democratic candidate.

niyad

(129,204 posts)
75. This old white woman is right there with you. Never have, never will, vote
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:02 AM
Dec 2022

for anything with an "r" after its name. We are nothing but chattel to them.

DFW

(59,635 posts)
77. Except for one guy, ALL people I know in Georgia voted Democratic
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:03 AM
Dec 2022

White, black, male, female, all voted for Warnock with one possible exception. One guy there I know is a transplant from Alabama, and Walker may have sufficiently freaked him out enough to either hold his nose and vote for a Democrat or stay home. I don't dare ask, so he won't be forced to lie, just in case he voted for Warnock, but is too ashamed to admit it.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
94. OK, but he didn't win 99 to 1.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:26 AM
Dec 2022

A LOT of people voted for him. Not sure what your antidote adds to the statistical breakdonw.

DFW

(59,635 posts)
111. It means that there are MANY people in Georgia that I/we don't interact with.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:40 AM
Dec 2022

It means that there is a whole other Georgia out there that we (or the Georgia DP) have to continue to break through to, or else this is a fight that will get repeated over and over again, and not necessarily with results we'll like (just ask Stacey Abrams).

yardwork

(68,838 posts)
154. Nonetheless, 68% of white women and 71% of white men voted Republican.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:21 PM
Dec 2022

Even though the Republican candidate was a cognitively impaired person with no indication of being competent to be a senator. A vast majority of white voters in Georgia chose an obviously incompetent candidate.

Thems the facts.

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
250. Anecdote isn't data
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 06:41 AM
Dec 2022

You know a self-selected crowd, not all the millions of people eligible to vote in a state like Georgia.

Get out into small town and rural America, especially in the southern states, and you'll see an entirely different demographic with very different views.

The kind that will make you despair of humanity.

Mr. Ected

(9,713 posts)
78. People are confusing their religious beliefs with their political beliefs
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:04 AM
Dec 2022

In the USA you can personally apply your religious dogma without voting to force all others to do the same. Our democracy affords greater rights to its citizens than some of its churches. A good American can distinguish between the two. If my religion dictates that I cannot seek abortion services, fine, but don't condemn someone else not of your faith to the same fate.

ancianita

(42,729 posts)
80. They're probably incentivized by the patriarchy's benefits of the pedestal life role of mother &
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:05 AM
Dec 2022

hel(l)pmate. Patriarchy is a hierarchal religion with a lot of subsidiary religions in which these women's souls have been groomed and captured to serve, and to believe their faith keeps them free.

They are groomed to believe they're not only situated high on a ladder of spiritual superiority, but gender, race and economic superiority, too. Stick with patriarchy, and they'll be rewarded in heaven.

JT45242

(3,794 posts)
83. As LBJ said to BIll Moyers...
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:12 AM
Dec 2022

When he signed the act he was euphoric, but late that very night I found him in a melancholy mood as he lay in bed reading the bulldog edition of the Washington Post with headlines celebrating the day. I asked him what was troubling him. "I think we just delivered the South to the Republican party for a long time to come," he said.[1] (exceprt from Bill Moyers book)

Because the Democrats gave rights to the blacks.... many whites have taught their children that the Dems are the enemy since 1964. It is pure unadulterated racism condensed and compressed for almost 60 years for generation upon generation.

A semi-literate, lying, black wife beater with an (R) next to his name is better than anyone with a (D) next to their name because that is what they have been told by their parents, grandparents, and great grandparents ever since the Voting RIghts and Civil Rights Acts were passed.

Beaverhausen

(24,675 posts)
85. White men voted in a larger percentage than white women, but ok, go off
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:16 AM
Dec 2022

This white woman would not have voted for Walker and I resent this headline.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
102. Why did only 30% of white women vote against the oppressor.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:29 AM
Dec 2022

We all know where white men stand. Nobody is letting them off the hook.

whathehell

(30,326 posts)
139. Um, no
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:01 PM
Dec 2022

because I said there is SOME of that, the point being, there is no ONE simple answer..Women are no more a monolithic group than men, even though men, especially many here, seem to think so.

Beaverhausen

(24,675 posts)
114. All the white men I know would not have voted for him either, except one - my 97 year old father
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:44 AM
Dec 2022

stop letting men off the hook.

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
159. Religious beliefs are a big part of our country's conservative political agenda. A lot
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:26 PM
Dec 2022

of these folks don't even believe in science and rather believe that the invisible man in the sky will save them and then they will spend eternity in bliss.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
171. For sure.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:54 PM
Dec 2022

It's interesting that when some people indicated they wished Warnock hadn't had all the god stuff in his speech Tuesday they were met with a lot of hate here. We need to do everything we can to keep religion out of our government. Even the "good ones." ("ones" referring to religions and not that Warnock needs to be kept out--be religious on your own time, not when you function as a part of the government).

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
174. I'm not a religious person but I don't think Warnock's statements were out of bounds.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 01:00 PM
Dec 2022

He's a pastor but he also believes in the inclusion of differing groups within our society, not exclusion. Love not hate.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
176. Doesn't it make it hard to say the shitty religious views shouldn't be allowed in government
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 01:05 PM
Dec 2022

when we are fine with the ones we agree with?

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
178. True, I'd rather we didn't have our politicians touting their religious bnafides but
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 01:08 PM
Dec 2022

if they are going to do so I'll go with the ones who don't preach hate.

Celerity

(53,438 posts)
207. THAT is a fundamental point that needs to be driven home.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 05:37 PM
Dec 2022




Also, some people make excuses for certain people holding problematic, self-described religious-based beliefs if those persons holding the repugnant views are members of a group that the apologists deem beyond most criticism provided they vote the right way.
 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
264. What's the shittiest thing folks see in this speech?
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 07:43 AM
Dec 2022
Doesn't it make it hard to say the shitty religious views shouldn't be allowed in government
when we are fine with the ones we agree with?


Hello, Georgia! Thank you, Georgia! We did it again!

Thank you so much for your trust in me and to God be the glory!

After a long and hard fought campaign, it is now my honor to utter the four most powerful words in a democracy, “the people have spoken.” I have often said that a vote is a kind of prayer for the world we desire for ourselves and for our children.

It is faith put in action. It is the sober recognition that we pray not only with our lips but with our legs.

And Georgia, you have you been doing just that - praying with your lips and with your legs, with your hands and your feet, with your head and your heart! And here we are standing together!

And Georgia once again – as you did in 2021 when you sent an African American man and a Jewish man to the Senate in one fell swoop - you are sending a clear message to the country about the kind of world we want for our children.

I stand before you tonight a proud son of Savannah, Georgia, a coastal city known for its cobblestone streets and verdant town squares. Towering oak trees, centuries old and covered in gray Spanish moss bend and beckon the lover of history and horticulture to this city by the sea. And like those oak trees in Savannah, my roots go deep down and they stretch wide in the soil of Waycross, Georgia, and Burke County and Screven County. In a sense, I am Georgia. A living example and embodiment of its history and its hope, of its pain and promise, the brutality and possibility.

I am grateful that my mother, Pastor Verlene Warnock, is here tonight. A teenager growing up in Waycross, GA, she used to pick somebody else’s cotton and tobacco. Tonight, she helped pick her youngest son to be a United States senator. My late father, Rev. Jonathan Warnock, a preacher and a junkman, has long entered into the light but he too is cheering us on.

How grateful I am for my very large and beautiful family. I am glad that they are here tonight. I’m number 11 of 12 and so my parents clearly read the scripture which says, “Be fruitful and multiply.”

We were short on money, but we were long on love, faith, and humor, and they poured into me and my eleven siblings the values and hard work ethic that still guide me today.

That’s what’s led me to a life of service, it’s what’s led me in the pulpit and it’s ultimately what’s led me to the U.S. Senate…

I also want to thank my two children, Chloe and Caleb. You two are the brightest stars in my world and as proud as I am to be a Senator, I am most proud to be your dad. You help inspire me to do my part to build a world befitting of the curiosity, the creativity and the possibility that I see in your eyes and in the eyes of all of our children.

And on this night, where after being on the ballot 5 times in the last two years … for the same job I might add … I have been entrusted with a six-year term to serve in the Senate, I cannot express how thankful I am to you, the people of Georgia.

I am deeply honored to be on this journey with you.

It’s an overwhelming statement for your neighbors to say we want you to represent us and our families in high office. And it’s something that inspires me every day.

Now there will be those both in our state, and across the country, who will point to our victory tonight and try to use it to argue there is no voter suppression in Georgia.

Let me be clear. The fact that millions of Georgians endured hours in lines – and were willing to spend hours in line – lines that wrapped around buildings and went on for blocks, lines in the cold, lines in the rain, is most certainly not a sign voter suppression does not exist.

Instead, it is proof that you, the people, will not allow your voices to be silenced. And I am proud to stand with you.

I believe that democracy is the political enactment of a spiritual idea. The notion that each of us has within us a spark of the divine…We all have value. And if we have value, we ought to have a voice.

That’s why when officials in our state tried to block Saturday voting, we sued them. And we won. And the people showed up in record numbers within the narrow confines of the time given to them by a state legislature that saw our electoral strength the last time and went after it with surgical precision.

The fact that voters worked so hard to overcome the hardship put in front of them does not eliminate the fact that hardship was put there in the first place.

Our democracy is stronger when more people are able to exercise their right to vote. This is something we all should be able to agree on. And it is something that I will continue to work on…until we pass the John Lewis Voting Rights Act.

Democrats, Republicans, independents, should all be able to agree that whether you’re black, brown, white or any other color, no matter what neighborhood you live in, in the United States of America you should have the same ability to exercise your right to vote.

Tonight, I want to pay tribute to all those, over so many years, who have put their voices, and their lives on the line, to defend that right.

Martyrs of the movement like Scherner, Chaney & Goodman; Viola Luizzo, James Reeb. And those who stood up and spoke up like Fannie Lou Hamer. John Lewis, who walked across a bridge knowing that there were police waiting to brutalize him on the other side. Yet, by some stroke of destiny mingled with human determination he walked across that bridge in order to build a bridge to a more just future.

And now, it is up to us to keep building that bridge. To keep doing the important moral work. And Georgia, I want you to know that even as I work for you, I intend to walk with you.

Because here is what I’ve learned from being a pastor. You cannot lead the people unless you love the people. And you cannot love the people unless you know the people. And the only way to know the people is to spend time among the people. You cannot serve me if you cannot see me. Georgia, I see you. Parents trying to get your kids through school, I see you. Students trying to pay your way and work your way through, I see you. Farmers who are an answer to our most basic prayer – give us this day our daily bread – and yet struggle to survive, to save the farm, I see you. Workers fighting for a livable wage and decent benefits, I see you. Small business owners, I see you.

I will always be a voice for Georgia. All of Georgia. Whether you voted for me, or whether you didn’t, I will always be fighting for you and I hope to serve our state in a way that makes you proud.

And I remain hopeful that Washington can focus more on what we all share in common rather than what sometimes divides us.

Too many folks in Washington enter the conversation everyday thinking they must be armed as gladiators, focused on that day’s fight, on getting what they can for their side, whoever they consider that to be. I just see things differently. I’m proud of my bi-partisan work. And I hope to do more.

Because I believe first and foremost we are an American people and that we all have a covenant with one another. That we must live up to that uniquely American ideal of E pluribus Unum. Out of many—one.

I believe in what Dr. King called the Beloved Community. Over the forces that seek to divide us, we choose a state—and a nation that embraces all of us. We choose America.

I believe in the American dream. My own life is an iteration of its promise and possibility.

And therefore I believe that we can all do better, when we’re all doing better.

That’s what drives me to work to expand and lower the cost of healthcare, of creating jobs and standing up for the dignity of work, of addressing inequality and criminal justice reform and of taking on the existential threat of climate change that threatens our future.

And as I return to serve as your Senator for another six years, it's that combination of faith, love and hard work that will keep me focused on making change on behalf of our State and our country.

Before I close—and you can never believe a former pastor when they say they’ll close—I want to thank some of the people that made this victory possible.

To my campaign staff, led by my incredible campaign manager and son of Schley County, Georgia, Quentin Fulks, thank you. I want to thank Lawrence Bell who one day dropped on me a crazy idea – you should run for the senate – and the rest is history.

I want to thank my Senate staff in Washington, led by Mark Libell, and my state team, led by Meredith Lilly, for their work on behalf of our state.

I want to thank the volunteers and all of you who believed that we could win.

We won together…

Asking that neighbor at the very end of your block to get to the polls.

Turning to one another in our church pews…

Talking about what is at stake here in Georgia…

Talking about what a brighter future looks like for all of our families.

Volunteers in every corner of the state knocked doors to get people to the polls…

And poll workers worked hard to ensure each and every Georgia voter could make their voice heard in their own democracy.

And tonight, all that hard work paid off.

Thank you Georgia.

I know for many these are hard times. Dark times.

There is no question people are feeling the pain and the pinch – your children, your aging parents, your neighbors. We’ve been through a lot.

But the scripture says the light shines in the darkness and the darkness overcometh it not and I know with all my heart that our best days are ahead of us.

So tomorrow – we can all take a hard-earned rest. Just for a moment though – because the work continues…

And I’m not confused about who I work for.

Some of you have heard me tell the story many times of how my dad would wake me up every morning, 6am, no matter what time of year, no matter what day of the week, he’d say “Son, get dressed, put your shoes on.”

Well Georgia, I’m up, I’m dressed, I’m ready and I’ve got my shoes on. And I am so honored that you have placed your confidence in me one more time.

From the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU! God bless you.

Keep the faith! Keep looking up.


https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/raphael-warnock-victory-speech-full-text/85-1da60dc5-1ba5-4127-9ba6-9ab41d10339e

machoneman

(4,128 posts)
265. Thanks for posting. Did not see the speech elsewhere. A great closer "dark times" btw. WE WON!
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:32 AM
Dec 2022
 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
267. I had to Google the text...
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 09:39 AM
Dec 2022

...just to see what the fuss was all about (with words like "disgusted", no less).

Now that I've read it, I still don't know what the fuss was all about. I find that more surprising than any poll of voters.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
269. Not my point, but you know that.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 04:48 PM
Dec 2022

Saying that we don't have a problem with religion in government when it is something we agree with makes it hard to say that those things we don't agree with shouldn't be in government.

Easier to just keep them all out.

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
270. No I don't.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 04:55 PM
Dec 2022
but you know that.


Stop putting words in my mouth.

It's annoying when tfg points to journalists and says that, and it is doubly annoying when folks do the same thing to me.

I'm not a mind reader.

Why don't you just quote the offending sentence?

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
271. For the last time. I'm NOT talking about anything offensive in his speech.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 04:58 PM
Dec 2022

I don't like the god stuff in there because I would like us to keep government secular. i don't have any specific problems with his religious views. They are, from what I can tell, very progressive.

My problem: If we let the "good" religious people bring religion into government, it makes it harder to keep the "bad" religious people out of government, e.g. bans on gay marriage.

I don't think that is too hard to understand, and I don't know how much more plainly I can explain it if you need a 4th time.

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
272. You don't want good people in government...
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 05:02 PM
Dec 2022

...if they come from a different culture than your own?

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
273. Also 100% not what I said. Stop building strawmen.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 05:03 PM
Dec 2022

I don't care if they are religious or pastors. If they are acting as a government official, I would rather they leave god out of it. Which Warnock did not do in his speech.

And I'm saying all religions and not just a specific Christian sect that Warnock belongs to.

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
274. You admitted...
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 05:10 PM
Dec 2022

...upon being shown his actual speech, that there is nothing offensive in his speech.

So this boils down to his identity, and your fundamentalist opposition to his identity.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
275. I said I didn't like his use of god and religion.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 05:50 PM
Dec 2022

I stand by that.

But if you are just going to continue to, ironically, put words in my mouth rather than go with what I've actually said, I don't see a need to continue.

My stance on politicians using god in their position as a politician has been consistent and straight forward.

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
276. What makes your culture superior?
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 05:56 PM
Dec 2022

I'm an atheist, but not a fundamentalist.

I don't assume that other cultures are inferior to mine.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
277. This has nothing to do with culture.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 06:05 PM
Dec 2022

It. has to do with our secular government. You agree our government is secular, right?

We should be doing everything we can to keep religion out of government. People can do the religion all they want on their own time.

And, really, please stop with the strawman arguments.

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
279. It's all about culture.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 06:08 PM
Dec 2022

In this case, Black culture here in the USA.

I'm not a fundamentalist.



Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
281. It's about religion. Is that unique to one culture?
Mon Dec 12, 2022, 09:02 AM
Dec 2022

Your attempts to make me a racist are failing, obvious, and tiresome.

Congrats on not being a fundamentalist. I hope that makes you happy. I'm not either. Nor are most here.

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
283. If I want to know about religion, ...
Tue Dec 13, 2022, 09:52 AM
Dec 2022

...I'll consult historians, anthropologists, sociologists, etc with actual expertise on the subject.

Your attempts to make me a racist are failing, obvious, and tiresome

I've done no such thing, but your defensiveness is noted.

One cannot even hope to understand the evolution of culture (including religion) without considering white supremacy.

CrispyQ

(40,570 posts)
87. Man created God to control woman.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:20 AM
Dec 2022

They even co-opted the birth process & crafted Eve from one of Adam's ribs. And sadly, a whole bunch of women bought into it. Years ago, I worked with a woman who honestly believed that men had one less rib than women did.

lindysalsagal

(22,823 posts)
96. That's exactly why they wrap their party in the bible. It's the only way they can win.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:26 AM
Dec 2022

Even is the politicians are hugs, rapists, abortionists, and wife abusers who don't support need children.

Wednesdays

(21,515 posts)
115. Betcha this poll is little different
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:44 AM
Dec 2022

from past demographic statistics in Georgia senate elections, unless the Dem candidate was a "Dixiecrat."

treestar

(82,383 posts)
117. They are the ones that do not complain about
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:44 AM
Dec 2022

women's rights - right wing women exist, and will in a red state. They just think the old fashioned "deal" under the patriarchy works fine for them and is the way God intended, and so on.

ismnotwasm

(42,661 posts)
119. That's fucked up
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:45 AM
Dec 2022

And please, to my fellow white women, there is no need to be defensive about one’s own political virtue. I don’t vote for republicans either.

This is a serious problem.

uponit7771

(93,455 posts)
125. Do you happen to have any theories why their vote went this way in GA? thx in advance. Walker ...
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:47 AM
Dec 2022

... did all he could to lose this election outside of biting puppies on live TV.

Thx in advance

peacebuzzard

(5,789 posts)
124. I work around hundreds of those white women who do shit like this in GA
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:47 AM
Dec 2022

I can't wait until it's time to leave work and I usually run out as fast as I can.
I will just leave it at that and save further expletives.

Sancho

(9,172 posts)
126. I grew up in SC and GA - mostly rural towns.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:48 AM
Dec 2022

...and I taught in rural public school in both states.

If there was a single overriding motivation for voting Repub, it's racism. The "white" culture has learned how to rationalize, lie, hide, and sneak around racism, but that's the value driving votes for anything the GOP throws out. Yes, there are gun nuts and right-to-life people, but around the dinner table it's a covert racism against all things not-white.


electric_blue68

(25,442 posts)
190. I'd guess there are very few esp in The South, though we do have quite a bit of...
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 02:26 PM
Dec 2022

Northern racists as well that didn't have a strong current of racism underlying every thing else. And for the RW Religious sexism as well.

Demsrule86

(71,465 posts)
128. 30% of white women do care assuming this poll is correct and who really knows...this included
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:49 AM
Dec 2022

my sister. And consider without their vote, we would have lost. Every vote is needed. I tire of this sort of attack on white women.

Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #128)

RobinA

(10,464 posts)
134. Without Knowing
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:54 AM
Dec 2022

who actually voted, this is pretty meaningless.

Also, and I could be wrong about this, I thought Hershel Walker was black. Which makes both candidates black. Which makes race kinda not the point. But OK, let's bash white people. It's the trend these days. This too shall pass.

countingbluecars

(4,771 posts)
140. Walker was black but controlled by
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:06 PM
Dec 2022

white republicans. They voted for what republicans stand for-not for the black man.

yardwork

(68,838 posts)
183. Racism played a huge part in this election.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 02:01 PM
Dec 2022

Herschel Walker is a caricature of what white racists want to believe all Black men are like. Voting for him affirms their racist fantasies.

whathehell

(30,326 posts)
141. White Men did proportionately MORE "White Men Shit" than
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:08 PM
Dec 2022

than their female counterparts, but don't let that stop the Race-Based Misogyny Fest.

Keepthesoulalive

(2,082 posts)
163. Why do white people vote against their best interests?
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:29 PM
Dec 2022

I'm asking that question because it is often asked of minorities when they vote for the Republicans. they must explain and atone for that vote.

relayerbob

(7,338 posts)
153. I seriously don't understand how they can vote that way
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:20 PM
Dec 2022

My wife and I are both in our 60s, and would no more vote for a Q-ball than swim across a lake of lava. And Walker is at the bottom end of the GQP gene pool.

moondust

(21,173 posts)
162. Where do these numbers come from?
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:28 PM
Dec 2022

Somebody's exit poll? How accurate?

I've never had my vote associated with gender or race.

snowybirdie

(6,519 posts)
164. Georgia folks
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:41 PM
Dec 2022

are different. I've lost an entire branch of my family in Georgia because I'm one of those librulls! They don't even respect that I'm their grandmother. Sad!

Ford_Prefect

(8,490 posts)
165. "It's like their political party is religion and can't ever be wrong." The GOP is a religious cult
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:41 PM
Dec 2022

They deal in magical cures, invented history, and Dogmatic faith in the party line.

To accept their assertions is to believe there is only ONE patriotic party with the right to political ownership of America.

Midnight Writer

(25,110 posts)
166. I love all of our voters. Without the any one of the groups listed here we would not have won.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:45 PM
Dec 2022

I'm thankful and respectful to anyone who voted blue, even if the majority of the people in their "group" did not side with us.

There are all kinds of "groups" we can divide folks into. My bet is that the biggest difference in voters is rural/urban, regardless of race.

anotherOKIE

(90 posts)
168. I don't believe the numbers...
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:48 PM
Dec 2022

The only accurate way to know who voted would be to identify the individual voters along with their ballots and that doesn't happen. Isn't all of this just anecdotal? For what it's worth, as a white male in his 70's I have heard white male bashing most of my life and it is really tiring. If white males didn't support Democratic candidates the Democrats would never win... but that can be said about all genders and all ethnicities, right?

anotherOKIE

(90 posts)
204. not in dispute
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 05:10 PM
Dec 2022

Yes, I know that. No one disputes your statement. What I am saying is that we shouldn't paint everyone with the same brush. But I know that you are not doing that, you are probably very nice and tolerant and I mean that sincerely. Really all I am doing is venting a little bit about being continually judged by other people as a white, conservative, christian when I am very much not that.

cleolew

(18 posts)
169. Another white woman
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:49 PM
Dec 2022

I am another white woman who has never voted for a Republican. Even lost friends over Trump.
I live in CA and previously lived in Arizona and grew up in PA. So proud of the voters in those two states.
I think it is geography, economics, religion, education and yes, racism that drives white women to vote against their own
best interest. There are plenty of us white women (all of my sisters, daughter, nieces and college friends) who vote for decency,
compassion, fairness, intelligence in a candidate.

BlueKentuckyGirl

(515 posts)
172. So tiresome being lumped in with the ignorant masses
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 12:56 PM
Dec 2022

As I white woman, approaching the age of 70, I get so tired of being lumped in with white women who vote Republican or vote for the more conservative Democrats running against the more liberal candidates. All white women are not the same so please don't assume we would have voted for Walker over Warnock or for Hillary over say.. Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren. I've always voted for the more progressive Democratic candidates, and NEVER for a Republican. It just gets tiresome. Oh, and also, my niece, who lives in Georgia and is very white, voted for Warnock and was ecstatic over his victory. I'm sure there are a few more white in Georgia who would resent your snarky title. Maybe you could have entitled is "SOME white women did their white women shit in GA".

BlueKentuckyGirl

(515 posts)
214. Goodbye?
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 08:20 PM
Dec 2022

To whom? The poster was the one that irritated me with his title to the post. I am not disputing that a LOT of white women vote against their best interest by supporting Republicans and conservative Democrats. I just wish people would not act as though ALL white women vote this way. Give some of us some credit for having some sense.

BlueKentuckyGirl

(515 posts)
263. I get that
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 01:26 AM
Dec 2022

I just didn't know who you were saying that it was maybe time to say goodbye to. DU? Who? Just trying to clarify.

Boomerproud

(9,095 posts)
268. DU.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 10:45 AM
Dec 2022

There are spectacular people on here but I came here for the sense of community and it has devolved in certain cases into other toxic social media, which was to be expected. I have been called a liar. Thank you for your concern and I wish you the very best. You deserved clarification.

BlueKentuckyGirl

(515 posts)
280. Thank-you for clarifying.
Mon Dec 12, 2022, 12:56 AM
Dec 2022

Not wanting to leave DU just because one person posted something with a title with which I don't agree. I like this site and find most of the information factual and informative.

electric_blue68

(25,442 posts)
181. A Big *Thank You* to almost all of our Black Women & Most of our Black Men Citizens...
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 01:27 PM
Dec 2022

for keeping our Country in Democratic hands!!!!!

And a shout out to my fellow White Women college educated, or not for voting for Democrats as well! Including those who changed from Republican to Democrats like Hillary Clinton! 👍

Ms. Toad

(38,062 posts)
186. More white women voted for Warnock than white men.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 02:11 PM
Dec 2022

Is there a reason your call-out is gender-based?

electric_blue68

(25,442 posts)
188. I'm Very Grateful that I was Born in NYC thus affording me a better chance of being part of a...
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 02:18 PM
Dec 2022

Last edited Thu Dec 8, 2022, 03:00 PM - Edit history (1)

Democratic household. 🧡

Both my parents were 1st Gen ______-American 🧡 Democrats. Dad was center liberal, mom was
liberal progressive.
Both supported Civil Rights. They welcomed my Black, Latino, and Asian friends into our home, and had no problems with me visiting my friend's homes as well. 👍

I grew up Moderately Religious Catholic with The Sermon on The Mount being the primary base of practice. Learning as I grew up of similar beliefs in All Religions except the RW varieties.

delisen

(7,188 posts)
193. Too bad you have not yet been able to elect a female mayor
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 02:41 PM
Dec 2022

Atlanta has has had two female mayors, both black, and each did much good for the city.

electric_blue68

(25,442 posts)
198. Hello ex-NYC'r. What part. I've lived in upper Washington Hgts, Brooklyn near...
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 03:03 PM
Dec 2022

downtown, and now the middle western Bronx. 👍

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
189. What about the Asian American breakout in this equation?
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 02:24 PM
Dec 2022

Where that those figures?

delisen

(7,188 posts)
191. Georgia now has a black Senator and a Jewish senator
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 02:27 PM
Dec 2022

We achieved this with the votes of both black and white Georgians as well as non Jewish Georgians. We are still working on getting a woman governor, sect of state, and attorney general.

There may be a lesson here for those of you who live in states with less diversity in representation than we have now achieved in our senatorial delegation.

I suggest that trying to divide women into white women and black women, lowering expectations of male voters, and dumping on voters in general is not the way to go.

Cha

(316,291 posts)
196. Yes, WOC are Democracy's Best
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 02:46 PM
Dec 2022

Hope Still.. they're always on the Front Lines Fighting For Our Democracy by GOTV!!

I Appreciate them with all my heart & soul!

I was glad to see some Very Happy White Women at Sen Warnock's Victory party! In the minority, of course, but obviously grateful for the Senator to be Reelected!

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
199. I looks like 3% of Georgia white women did not vote how their husbands told them to...
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 03:10 PM
Dec 2022

electric_blue68

(25,442 posts)
201. 🤔 I think bc all my white (like myself) women friends are center to left Democrats that I Forget...
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 03:21 PM
Dec 2022

that most white women vote Republican, I really do!
I think this is truly dawning on me for the first time! 🙄😄 Duh! But it's kinda understandable.
(While I think I'm a bit more aware that more men vote Republican)
.
And bc living in NYC where more women are Democrats then really the rest of the USA - except for blue cities, and towns(!!!); that that strengthens my wrong perceptions!

(I hope this makes sense! 😄 )

Response to kpete (Original post)

mcar

(45,581 posts)
208. I don't get it either
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 05:40 PM
Dec 2022

I also don't get why young women in Florida seem to be OK with being 2nd class citizens so they didn't bother voting.

Response to kpete (Original post)

Iris

(16,817 posts)
212. As a white woman, I can say they only care about themselves.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 06:15 PM
Dec 2022

And they are not oppressed.

FakeNoose

(39,875 posts)
217. I don't get why you're picking on "white women" when the "White men" are just as vile
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 08:57 PM
Dec 2022

This post is sexist and it shouldn't be allowed on DU.

If you care to make a comment about "white Repukes" well OK - I have no problem with that.

tishaLA

(14,706 posts)
223. The low percentage of Latinas who voted Rev Sen Warnock surprises me
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 10:03 PM
Dec 2022

Maybe it's because I'm in L.A. and the population is a lot different here than in GA (less Mexican-American, Salvadoran, Guatemalan), but Latinas are strongly Democratic here.

We really need to shore up our support among Latina/os for sure. Get to work building or improving existing culturally attuned structures within the communities.

Response to kpete (Original post)

58Sunliner

(6,273 posts)
227. The demographic is based on voter turnout of 51%.
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:29 PM
Dec 2022

If women represent @51% of all eligible voters, that would be @ 26% of all voters who voted (women), assuming racial parity. Of that 26%, 59.4% were white, per the census, so the actual percent of white women who voted was 15.34%. Of that 15.43%, 68%, according to this table, voted for Walker. So actual percent of white women who voted for Walker was 10.43%. White women voters by population and race, make up @ 30% of all eligible voters in the state of Georgia. Basically a third of them voted for Walker. If you are going to use statistics please include the pertinent data. What's wrong with my demographic? It only gives a partial picture. It's bad that anyone voted for Walker, but if we continue to miss the big picture, which is low voter turnout, we will not progress.

iemanja

(57,291 posts)
228. White men proved themselves MAGATs
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:33 PM
Dec 2022

What else is new? Most white people vote Republican. How is that a surprise to you?

CloudWatcher

(2,127 posts)
229. Excuse me, why should I believe this???
Thu Dec 8, 2022, 11:56 PM
Dec 2022

The chart was posted by some twit called "NicolasEdny" ... google isn't turning up anything about
why I should believe their numbers.

Reminder that data like this is not part of the vote. It'll have to be collected with exit-polls or
by some other means. E.g. it's likely BS until proven otherwise.

YoshidaYui

(44,864 posts)
231. ONCE AGAIN ASIANS NOT represented, guess we all
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 12:06 AM
Dec 2022

must live on the EAST and West Coast or something.

pnwmom

(110,171 posts)
234. One more reason this is a garbage poll
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 01:52 AM
Dec 2022

besides the fact that we don't know who the pollster was, where they conducted the interviews, and how they accounted for the fact that Democrats tended to vote before election day, and Republicans on the day of.

pnwmom

(110,171 posts)
233. This is a GARBAGE poll, and I will tell you why.
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 01:49 AM
Dec 2022

There's no information on who conducted the poll and where they conducted it. The whole state? A specific city or county?

If this is a traditional exit poll, then the stats were drawn from willing interviews of ELECTION DAY voters. And we know that election day voters are heavily made up of Republicans.

Maybe these numbers are accurate but there's no way to tell from this tweet. I certainly would not use this as a pretense to dump on all white women.

pnwmom

(110,171 posts)
242. Those were the TX numbers from the general election, and they don't show
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 03:34 AM
Dec 2022

how they conducted the poll, which matters since Republicans are most likely to vote at the polls on Election day.

Scrivener7

(58,042 posts)
258. I went looking for sources for it. I found data for women vs men and data
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 09:21 AM
Dec 2022

for white vs. black, but I could find NO sources that broke out white and black women and white and black men.

cstanleytech

(28,145 posts)
238. I cannot help but shake my head in wonder over why anyone would really vote for Walker at all.
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 03:29 AM
Dec 2022
 

Temeret

(80 posts)
257. A possible reason is, there is no separate thread about white Georgian men being evil
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 09:10 AM
Dec 2022

just throwing possibilities out there.

another one is that the 30% of women who voted for Warnock are being lumped into this group.

another one is that Georgia is not Massachusetts, and people may be aware of the distinction not everyone expects White Georgia women to vote the same as white Massachusetts women

Ilsa

(63,737 posts)
255. I wonder what percentage of those white women are married?
Fri Dec 9, 2022, 08:37 AM
Dec 2022

I think many of them vote the way their husbands vote. It's not that they are taking orders from them in all cases, but the women see this as a way to please their spouse. They subjugate their needs, or minimize the perceived damage, to what their husbands want.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
282. Good lesson then? Conservative temperament and convictions
Mon Dec 12, 2022, 10:10 AM
Dec 2022

about the world are powerful and typically change very little in any of us. Political psychologists discovered a LONG time ago, repeated since by decades of studies, that people normally vote their convictions over what others often imagine is their personal interest.

Reality is, many nonwhite strong conservatives share a lot more beliefs with white MAGAs than with liberals of any race. Throw a bag over their heads, often won't be able to tell them apart.

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