All the Motherfuckers can talk about is the former Marine, Whelan, being left behind

[Aviation Pro]

Funny that they don't mention that he was given a bad conduct discharge.

Fuck these assclowns.

[live love laugh]

1. Republican Owned Media at its best.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

2. Puke whiners.

Two years the Orange A-Hole had to get him home.

And failed.

[gratuitous]

3. What's the phrase? "He was no angel"

I mentioned that on another board. My oh my!

[Kennah]

4. Technically it was a Bad Conduct Discharge

[sarisataka]

5. Bad conduct discharge

While only one step up, it is very different than a dishonorable discharge

[AggressiveCanary]

14. Not really

What difference is there?

[sarisataka]

17. While both are punitive discharges

A BCD is akin to a misdemeanor conviction. It will be on your record and you lose veteran benefits but has limited additional effect.

A DD has consequences similar to a major felony conviction. It will affect a person's employment and prohibit them from many lines of work. Banks will typically not give a loan to someone with a DD. In addition to losing all benefits, a person may not receive any type of government assistance. This includes student grants and loans. A person also loses the rights to vote or own firearms. A DD will have permanent lifelong effect.

[Celerity]

18. here

https://www.vetverify.org/javax.faces.resource/images/VOSB-Military-Discharge-Overview.pdf.xhtml?ln=default

Bad Conduct (BCD)

Unlike an administrative discharge, a Bad Conduct Discharge (BCD) is a punitive
discharge that can only be given by a court-martial (either Special or General) as
punishment to an enlisted service-member. Bad conduct discharges are often preceded by
a period of confinement in a military prison. The discharge itself is not executed until
completion of both confinement and the appellate review process. Virtually all veterans'
benefits are forfeited by a Bad Conduct Discharge. Also referred to as the "Big Chicken
Dinner".

Dishonorable

A dishonorable discharge (DD), like a BCD, is a punitive discharge rather than an
administrative discharge. It can only be handed down to an enlisted member by a general
court-martial. Dishonorable discharges are handed down for what the military considers
the most reprehensible conduct. This type of discharge may be rendered only by
conviction at a general court-martial for serious offenses (e.g., desertion, sexual assault,
murder, etc.) that call for dishonorable discharge as part of the sentence.
With this characterization of service, all veterans' benefits are lost, regardless of any past
honorable service. This type of discharge is universally regarded as shameful, and the
social stigma attached to it makes it very difficult to obtain gainful post-service
employment. Additionally, US federal law prohibits ownership of firearms by those who
have been dishonorably discharged. In most cases, a person who receives a
dishonorable discharge loses the right to vote and the right to receive governmental
assistance of any kind. They cannot obtain a bank loan and they are unable to find work at
the state or government level. Finding gainful civilian employment is also an arduous
task for someone with a DD as most states now require employers to conduct background
checks and the results of military records and discharges are often disclosed. Going to
college is another pitfall because government loans and grants are unavailable for anyone
with a DD. This is a permanent record that will follow the individual for the duration of
their lives anywhere in the world. In some US states, the United Kingdom and other
countries this may be for the duration of his/her sentence, elsewhere this may be
permanent.

[Deuxcents]

21. Thank you. I'm not military so this is good to know

[Celerity]

24. yw!

[ripcord]

6. He is still a citizen regardless of your dismissal of him

[48656c6c6f20]

10. He's a citizen of 3 countries so, no.

In military parlance, he's a "shit bird"

[Celerity]

19. I have tripartite citizenship (US, UK, Sweden). Are you going to tag me as a shit bird?

He's a citizen of 3 countries so, no.

In military parlance, he's a "shit bird"

[48656c6c6f20]

23. Do you have a dishonorable discharge

For stealing money? Yeah so there's that. So go on now. Move along.

[Celerity]

27. Wow, rude much? You did NOT mention anything else in your reply, and your framing makes it

self-evident as to why I asked the question:

[48656c6c6f20]

29. And you didn't move on.

Actually it's 4 countries. British, Canadian, Irish and American. Seems like an upstanding "US" citizen.
.

[Celerity]

30. I do not have to 'move on' simply becuase you command it. Just because a person holds dual or

multiple citizenships, that gives no one the right to disparage them based off those citizenships held.

That type of purity test is often the stuff of RW tropes.

Seems like an upstanding "US" citizen.

The US is a nation of immigrants, and it allows multiple citizenships.

[48656c6c6f20]

31. If you can't tell an opportunist from a immigrant

That's on you. The dude is a shit bird and beloved by the trumpers. And THAT'S a crowd I don't subscribe to. Supporting this thing smells of right wing tropes.

[Celerity]

32. I never once said I supported the Whelan angle. I simply asked you a legitimate question about

a statement you made.

And btw, you said Dishonorable Discharge, when it was a Bad Conduct Discharge.

[Aviation Pro]

11. Fine, he's a citizen

But the Motherfucker media is painting him like he's some kind of fucking hero.

He's not.

[ripcord]

25. He is still being wrongfully detained

That is all that matters in this situation.

[onecaliberal]

7. Why didn't trump get him home?

[lanlady]

8. Not dishonorably discharged--

he was discharged for bad conduct, a lesser offense. Something to do with committing larceny. For sure he's no hero.

I think Whelan was born in Canada, still has a Canadian passport. He also has Irish and UK passports. I've always wondered why USG doesn't pawn him off on the Canadians, say. Why are we stuck trying to get the stupid jerk out of a Russian jail?

[Kaleva]

9. Is there any point in listening to that?

[MOMFUDSKI]

12. He may have been

CIA.

[skylucy]

13. That is exactly what I have been thinking.

[Aviation Pro]

20. CIA issued a statement that he never worked for the agency

And, yeah, given his checkered past, he never would have gotten past the security clearance process.

[Wounded Bear]

22. Intel agencies won't acknowledge if someone does work for them...

unless they are actively outed like Plame was. I put Whelan's status on that score as 'undefined' for now.

We should still try to get him back, but we'll probably have to exchange a high level Russian agent for him.

[Johnny2X2X]

15. And he and the other Marine we did get back

Were taken when Trump was there. Trunk made no effort to get either back.

[lpbk2713]

16. They have to piss and moan about something Biden had a hand in.

Whalen just happened to be available.

[budkin]

26. They hate Brittney Griner because "Woke"

That's it.

[DVRacer]

28. If it matters

He was given a Bad Conduct Discharge for writing bad checks. Sure that’s not ok but not some major crime.

[Celerity]

33. The specific charges against him included "attempted larceny, three specifications of dereliction of

duty, making a false official statement, wrongfully using another’s social security number, and ten specifications of making and uttering checks without having sufficient funds in his account for payment."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Whelan_(security_director)

[brush]

34. And that trump did nothing to get him out.