Fri Dec 9, 2022, 09:06 AM

vlyons (9,384 posts)

Sinema thinks this will make her powerful, and it probably will

Dem and GOP lobbyists will beat a path to her door to curry her favor for their pet legislation. Senators from both sides will curry her favor as well. She can compete with Manchin for most important swing vote. This is a power play on her part.

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18 replies	Author	Time	Post
Sinema thinks this will make her powerful, and it probably will (Original post)	vlyons	Dec 9	OP
If a Dem runs in Arizona	ebbie15644	Dec 9	#1
That's my thought	Stuckinthebush	Dec 9	#3
By then she will be beloved by Republicans	Walleye	Dec 9	#6
She will never be MAGA enough for them and would never make it running as a repub	ebbie15644	Dec 9	#7
Yes. The reason for her switching to independent is	Emile	Dec 9	#18
So she votes with Bernie now ?	Beachnutt	Dec 9	#2
I think she's voted with Biden more than Bernie has	AZSkiffyGeek	Dec 9	#11
I'll stick with Bernie's record,	House of Roberts	Dec 9	#12
That doesn't change the fact that she got more accomplished legislatively	AZSkiffyGeek	Dec 9	#13
Voting to give Republicans what they want	House of Roberts	Dec 9	#15
And who was successful at getting those priorities passed?	AZSkiffyGeek	Dec 9	#16
She withheld support for the Inflation Reduction Act	House of Roberts	Dec 9	#17
It's certainly getting her the attention she craves	dflprincess	Dec 9	#4
I am tired of people who want power for it's own sake.	Walleye	Dec 9	#5
Don't really see how it makes her any more powerful than before, at least from a	GoodRaisin	Dec 9	#8
Keeps her relevant to the GOP and lobbyists, but actually increases Murkowski's power.	Freethinker65	Dec 9	#9
Yes this is what she hopes, more attention, people bowing down before her.	Irish_Dem	Dec 9	#10
THe People Who Got Her Elected	Me.	Dec 9	#14

Response to vlyons (Original post)

Fri Dec 9, 2022, 09:07 AM

ebbie15644 (1,134 posts)

1. If a Dem runs in Arizona

could Sinema actually siphon votes from a republican, especially if they are a MAGA republican?

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Response to ebbie15644 (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 9, 2022, 09:09 AM

Stuckinthebush (10,749 posts)

3. That's my thought

It would hurt the GOP more than the Dems in the 2024 race.

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Response to ebbie15644 (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 9, 2022, 09:10 AM

Walleye (21,548 posts)

6. By then she will be beloved by Republicans

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Response to Walleye (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 9, 2022, 09:12 AM

ebbie15644 (1,134 posts)

7. She will never be MAGA enough for them and would never make it running as a repub

our shot would be a three way race with a MAGA republican

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Response to ebbie15644 (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 9, 2022, 11:50 AM

Emile (10,323 posts)

18. Yes. The reason for her switching to independent is

the talk in Arizona was she will be primaried by progressive Representative Ruben Gallego, a Harvard-educated Iraq War veteran. The only hope she has is siphoning off republican votes.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Fri Dec 9, 2022, 09:08 AM

Beachnutt (4,668 posts)

2. So she votes with Bernie now ?

I'll take that...

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Response to Beachnutt (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 9, 2022, 09:29 AM

AZSkiffyGeek (8,447 posts)

11. I think she's voted with Biden more than Bernie has

Except on elimintating the filibuster - that's her red line.

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 9, 2022, 09:46 AM

House of Roberts (4,513 posts)

12. I'll stick with Bernie's record,

if Sinema is voting more Biden than Bernie.

Senator Sinema, Kyrsten
D-Arizona
Composite Progressive Score: 77.42%

Crucial Progressive Score: 75.48%

Senator Sanders, Bernie
I-Vermont
Composite Progressive Score: 96.31%

Crucial Progressive Score: 94.52%

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 9, 2022, 09:54 AM

AZSkiffyGeek (8,447 posts)

13. That doesn't change the fact that she got more accomplished legislatively

Than he did in the past 2 years.

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 9, 2022, 10:30 AM

House of Roberts (4,513 posts)

15. Voting to give Republicans what they want

and voting to block what Democrats want, is not my idea of legislative accomplishment. Maybe you should show your work on that claim?

Bernie has been Budget Committee Chairman the last two years. Considering what Biden has proposed through that time, Bernie's been busy trying to get those priorities passed. He's been a team player. Sinema has fought those priorities time and again.

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 9, 2022, 11:04 AM

AZSkiffyGeek (8,447 posts)

16. And who was successful at getting those priorities passed?

It wasn't Bernie.

As far as Sinema:
Bipartisan Infrastructure
Inflation Reduction
Respect for Marriage

She got those through cloture.

I want to see filibuster reform, but I think she's correct that we shouldn't get rid of it. It's one reason TFG and Turtle weren't able to accomplish much legislatively during the first two years. If we nuke the filibuster, then there's nothing preventing a Republican trifecta of passing all those horrible things they're threatening.

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Response to AZSkiffyGeek (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 9, 2022, 11:43 AM

House of Roberts (4,513 posts)

17. She withheld support for the Inflation Reduction Act

until the elimination of the carried interest loophole was dropped from the bill.

She REDUCED the Infrastructure bill by withholding her support.

Maybe she did help with Respect for Marriage, but that doesn't cost rich fucks any taxes so she was OK with it.

Bernie's vote counts as much as hers, and per my first comment, is much more Progressive than Sinema.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Fri Dec 9, 2022, 09:09 AM

dflprincess (27,308 posts)

4. It's certainly getting her the attention she craves

It wss reported that she said her values have nit changed. Those values being "Me, me, me."

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Fri Dec 9, 2022, 09:09 AM

Walleye (21,548 posts)

5. I am tired of people who want power for it's own sake.

The political power should always be a means to an end. And the motivation should always be to benefit the constituents. And by constituents I don’t mean the corporate headquarters in her district

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Fri Dec 9, 2022, 09:20 AM

GoodRaisin (7,881 posts)

8. Don't really see how it makes her any more powerful than before, at least from a

legislative point of view. If she supported monied interests before, she’ll continue. If she supported LGBT rights before, she’ll continue, etc.

That’s as long as she continues to caucus with democrats.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Fri Dec 9, 2022, 09:24 AM

Freethinker65 (7,839 posts)

9. Keeps her relevant to the GOP and lobbyists, but actually increases Murkowski's power.

And the power of other Republicans running away from MAGA partisan agenda. Pass good legislation.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Fri Dec 9, 2022, 09:24 AM

Irish_Dem (33,793 posts)

10. Yes this is what she hopes, more attention, people bowing down before her.

She will milk the cat and mouse game for all it is worth.

Also she most certainly got paid to pull this stunt.

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Response to vlyons (Original post)

Fri Dec 9, 2022, 10:03 AM

Me. (34,979 posts)

14. THe People Who Got Her Elected

Have been fed up with her for some time and she was already on her way to being a one term senator

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