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RandySF

(59,189 posts)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:05 PM Dec 2022

It's telling how far down the shit hole America's gone.......

when half the country is angry that a Black, queer woman was released from a Russian gulag. It hits hard especially when I am old enough to remember the hostage crises in Iran and Lebanon.

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It's telling how far down the shit hole America's gone....... (Original Post) RandySF Dec 2022 OP
Says a lot. Solly Mack Dec 2022 #1
This country has been a shithole for marginalized people forever. Kath2 Dec 2022 #2
I totally agree... Deuce Dec 2022 #22
Don't make me cry.......is this really our country now?? 😢 😢 😢 a kennedy Dec 2022 #3
Except what is posted on DU, I am happily unaware what the RW braintrust thinks. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2022 #4
The problem ireally s that they haven't gone anywhere. GoCubsGo Dec 2022 #5
My guess is the majority of adults either approve or don't care. Kaleva Dec 2022 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Baked Potato Dec 2022 #7
+1... myohmy2 Dec 2022 #8
how did the word 'queer' make a comeback Skittles Dec 2022 #9
I think the word has been adopted by the community as being favorable, but LuckyCharms Dec 2022 #10
I absolutely detest it Skittles Dec 2022 #11
I never heard my mother or father using those words nightwing1240 Dec 2022 #16
It made a comeback as some younger members of the community felt it best described them. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2022 #29
"half the country is angry" CloudWatcher Dec 2022 #12
First hand .. my RW inlaws think she's un-american. They said Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2022 #24
Of course some are.... CloudWatcher Dec 2022 #25
Understood. Hope it's not as many as it feels. Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2022 #26
It's not "half" the country. It's a lunatic fringe egged on by a right wing media propaganda... NNadir Dec 2022 #13
yeah, well at least everywhere in America has electricity without issue IronLionZion Dec 2022 #14
They are not angry "a Black, queer woman was released from a Russian gulag." DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 2022 #15
+1 peppertree Dec 2022 #18
War hero? catchnrelease Dec 2022 #21
Just remember who 'Those People' really are and then consider the source. Tommymac Dec 2022 #17
Even Whelans Brother ... NowISeetheLight Dec 2022 #19
I blame Fox & RW Radio. Enough said. n/t aggiesal Dec 2022 #20
They hate Brittney Griner because she is a Black woman, a multi-millionaire, and one of the *top* iluvtennis Dec 2022 #23
I think we'll come back. Maybe not 100% but maybe a good deal better. argyl Dec 2022 #27
It's never been any better in my lifetime leftyladyfrommo Dec 2022 #28
Lol twas ever thus. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2022 #30
while an old, white, ostensibly rich ra*ist steals classified material from the gov't and walks. nt eppur_se_muova Dec 2022 #31
It's hilarious when I hear people say she hates America. Mr.Bill Dec 2022 #32

Kath2

(3,089 posts)
2. This country has been a shithole for marginalized people forever.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:10 PM
Dec 2022

And they are so angry that we are trying to change that.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,581 posts)
4. Except what is posted on DU, I am happily unaware what the RW braintrust thinks.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:15 PM
Dec 2022

Makes my life a lot easier. If you ignore it, does it go away?

GoCubsGo

(32,088 posts)
5. The problem ireally s that they haven't gone anywhere.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:20 PM
Dec 2022

I'm watching a PBS documentary on WWI. Not much has changed for these assholes. They're the same ilk as the ones who pushed Jim Crow laws and had Suffragists attacked and arrested because they refused to stop fighting for women's rights because of the war. They're probably descendants of the same assholes who refused to mask up and take precautions during the flu epidemic at the end of that war. Some things never change, including the third of the country that are willfully ignorant, hateful knuckle-draggers.

Kaleva

(36,340 posts)
6. My guess is the majority of adults either approve or don't care.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:21 PM
Dec 2022

About 1/3 of adults voted R and it's safe to assume that at least some of them are not upset

Response to RandySF (Original post)

Skittles

(153,185 posts)
9. how did the word 'queer' make a comeback
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 09:09 PM
Dec 2022

there's nothing queer about Ms.Griner, or any other LGBTQ person

*edited to note that yes, I included the 'Q' because of current conventional usage but I don't agree with it....

LuckyCharms

(17,455 posts)
10. I think the word has been adopted by the community as being favorable, but
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 09:14 PM
Dec 2022

it still makes me cringe because I remember when it was used as a derogatory term.

Skittles

(153,185 posts)
11. I absolutely detest it
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 09:24 PM
Dec 2022

to me it would be like black folk adopting the n word, or women embracing the c word

nightwing1240

(1,996 posts)
16. I never heard my mother or father using those words
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 09:54 PM
Dec 2022

so I never saw a need to nor any sense in saying them. They are all simply hurtful and mean

CloudWatcher

(1,851 posts)
12. "half the country is angry"
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 09:34 PM
Dec 2022

Is this true? Or is this just the outrage-de-jour headline of the right-wing propaganda machines?

Fyi, I don't believe most polls, let alone comments like this that have no links to sources. My sanity
depends on ignoring most MSM, it's a torrent of trash.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
24. First hand .. my RW inlaws think she's un-american. They said
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 12:18 AM
Dec 2022

that. It was a rude awakening . Seeing how deep racism runs ) Randy is right... Sad very, sad state of affairs

CloudWatcher

(1,851 posts)
25. Of course some are....
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 12:26 AM
Dec 2022

I just don't believe the "half the country" part. It'd be interesting (maybe even useful) have a real number instead of such a wild estimate.

NNadir

(33,542 posts)
13. It's not "half" the country. It's a lunatic fringe egged on by a right wing media propaganda...
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 09:38 PM
Dec 2022

...machine.

15. They are not angry "a Black, queer woman was released from a Russian gulag."
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 09:50 PM
Dec 2022

They are trying to win votes.
They want to foster dislike of President Biden and other Democrats.

So, they frame it by making it seem that President Biden chose to make a deal for her, because she was black and a lesbian, instead of using the same bargaining chip for a war hero.

I am not saying that any of that is true, I'm only pointing out how they are framing it to help win elections.
I do believe that some people think it is a shame to go out of the way to help a black lesbian, but those types would already vote in their favor anyway.



peppertree

(21,658 posts)
18. +1
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 10:02 PM
Dec 2022

If Repugs were half as good at governance, as they are at scapegoat politics - what a country we would have.

catchnrelease

(1,945 posts)
21. War hero?
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 10:50 PM
Dec 2022

I'll assume that is sarcasm or meant as how the right winger see him? He was far from that. He was court-martialed and received a bad conduct discharge from the Marines. Here's a bit from his Wikipedia entry:

After a court-martial conviction in January 2008 on multiple counts "related to larceny", he was sentenced to 60 days restriction, reduction to pay grade E-4, and a bad conduct discharge.[9][10] The specific charges against him included "attempted larceny, three specifications of dereliction of duty, making a false official statement, wrongfully using another’s social security number, and ten specifications of making and uttering checks without having sufficient funds in his account for payment."[11]

Also: He said in a deposition in 2013 that he holds a bachelor's degree in criminal justice and an MBA degree.[15] He took courses at Northern Michigan University from fall 1988 to fall 1990 without earning a degree.[13]

Of course these things might make him a hero to those that admire a criminal, twice impeached, failure like tfg.

I don't think he should be left in Russia by any means, but the guy is no saint.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
17. Just remember who 'Those People' really are and then consider the source.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 10:01 PM
Dec 2022

That's what I try to do, anyway.

Doesn't work so much anymore.



iluvtennis

(19,870 posts)
23. They hate Brittney Griner because she is a Black woman, a multi-millionaire, and one of the *top*
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 11:00 PM
Dec 2022

women's basketball players in the world.

Champion in High School, Champion in College, Champion in WNBA, Champion in Russia, Olympic Gold Medalist.

And she's a human being who cares about people. The star WNBA center has given back to the unhoused community since 2016. Even in her absence, the mission has grown to other basketball markets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brittney_Griner




argyl

(3,064 posts)
27. I think we'll come back. Maybe not 100% but maybe a good deal better.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 06:27 AM
Dec 2022

And most of the world is very happy with the fact that militarily we're #1.
Even though a lot of the ones that benefit most just love to rag on us. Fuck 'em.
Particularly Western Europe. Surely they're not so dense as to see that we are, in effect, Western Europe
2.0. Guess they're just hoping everyone's forgotten about how ungodly terribly they treated their
"colonial subjects." Belgium, The Netherlands, and Portugal, percentage wise your crimes were much, much worse than ours.
How many Empires weren't built, more like floating on blood? And that's for the rest of the World over several millennium.
We're the most diverse country on earth but our Constitution was written exclusively by Englishmen, including the EC and 2 Senate seats, regardless of a state's size. Maybe we'll be able to shitcan them.Sop to slaveholding states. If Lincoln hadn't been assassinated maybe he'd have gotten around to trashing them. As it is they're firmly embedded, for now.

Mr.Bill

(24,318 posts)
32. It's hilarious when I hear people say she hates America.
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 04:39 PM
Dec 2022

I ask them if she hates America, why did she return here when released?

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