DHS infiltrated by hundreds of Oath Keepers

[Model35mech]

In this morning's array of stories on MSN.COM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/leaked-documents-indicate-over-300-members-of-far-right-paramilitary-oath-keepers-may-be-current-or-former-dhs-employees-project-on-government-oversight-reports/ar-AA15co6u?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=37fa99cdf93c4c818f8dfa70e8255b10

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A leaked membership list suggests that Oath Keepers have infiltrated the Department of Homeland Security.
More than 300 members of the paramilitary group describe themselves as current or former DHS employees.
DHS did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

[brush]

1. Holy crap. Not good news. Makes one wonder how many are in...

other agencies—like the Secret Service?

[triron]

37. Or the DOJ, FBI, CIA?

[quakerboy]

2. Thats like saying snakes infiltrated the reptile house

Or that racists infiltrated the republican party.

Theres a reason Trump was trialing ICE and DHS as his personal shocktroops against protestors.

[jaxexpat]

12. Additionally, there's a reason DHS weas created from thin air.

[orangecrush]

16. +1

[msfiddlestix]

25. ✔️

[bullimiami]

3. 300 out of 250,000. Have a little perspective here. DHS is huge.

[COL Mustard]

7. I also wonder what grade level they're at. Or if they're stilll working there.

Or if they're still active in the Oaf Keepers.

[whathehell]

8. Thank you.

[Cosmocat]

9. It is WAY more than 300

They may or may not be card carrying "Oath Keepers" but HLS is like any other LE entity - overwhelmingly right wing leaning. As the R party has veered more and more to an anti-democracy moving to authoritarianism mindset, these people will mostly move with it.

That is why James Comey put the knife to Hillary a few days before the election ...

[erronis]

13. You don't need a lot of moles to leak inside information to the storm troopers

One mole/oath-keeper in a critical role can do a huge amount of damage.

Foreign countries (and some home-grown oligarchs) would like to have knowledge of what's being planned also. Lots of room for overlap between groups like Oath Keepers and foreign interests.

[msfiddlestix]

26. I just have to wonder how low is that number?

[bullimiami]

27. Just going by what's reported. We can conjecture all day.

[msfiddlestix]

30. Of course.. it's an important post.The time frame provoked the question to me...

without repeating myself, it just seeed to me there's a question this article raises that might be looked into.

That's all.

[bullimiami]

34. Oh 100%. That really should be getting a serious look.

[aka-chmeee]

36. 300 rat turds in 25 pounds of flour

Will make a damned tasty loaf of bread.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

4. Some of us, many from rural red areas, have been warning

folks about fascist domestic terrorists, like the Oaf Creepies, infiltrating local rural law enforcement, for several years.

Federal intelligence and law enforcement agencies must begin surveilling local law enforcement in earnest, and root out the fascist traitors whenever, and wherever, possible. If the fascist domestic terrorists implement their plans for civil war, normal folks in red rural areas will not be protected by their local law enforcement agencies, due to the fact that large numbers of members of these local law enforcement agencies are part of the widespread fascist cabal that is dedicated to fomenting civil war in the United States.

The fascist traitor rot that exists within all law enforcement agencies needs to be purged, or these domestic enemies of our country will form an integral part in the confederation of fascist traitors dedicated to overthrowing our government, and our democracy.

It can happen here. These RW extremists are batshit crazy. We need to stop the fascist crazies before they begin attacking our infrastructure and start a bloody civil war.

"An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure".

[Cosmocat]

10. 100%

correct ...

[COL Mustard]

5. In their early days, I used to see them "recruiting" at the Pentagon Metro stop

They would stand there with their signs that looked like the Ranger Tab and act like they expected us to join with them. I'm still keeping my Oath but they've violated theirs, IMO. Of course they see it the other way around but I'm not in prison.

[2naSalit]

6. RICO that organization.

[Crazyleftie]

11. the the name should just be changed to

Department of Heimat Security........

[erronis]

14. You could swap DHS with DOD pretty easily.

Altho I do believe the strong hierarchy in the DOD is better than the cobbled-together amalgam of agencies and people that went into DHS.

[Lonestarblue]

15. DHS most likely needs a serious overhaul. Issues are different now than after 9/11.

We need to focus more on domestic terrorism than on international terrorists attacking here now. The agency needs to change to reflect the difference—and it has gotten too big with too many broad purposes that give a lot of leeway for mischief, as we saw when Trump created his own brown shirts.

[3Hotdogs]

17. Unfortunately, there is nothing that can be done until they violate laws.

It is not illegal to belong to any organizations. You can even be a member of the Communist Party of America. I attended one of their meetings, around 1975 --- Upper West Side. It was advertised in The Village Voice.

---retired people, looked like they were in their 80's and 90's. A couple of 'em fell asleep during the meeting. Really.




But oaf keepers can be monitored.

[NJCher]

18. That's funny

Hyper vigilance over some old Commies nodding off on the Upper West Side.

An ex boyfriend in Manhattan took me all around to the Communist Party spots so I can totally believe this.

[SomewhereInTheMiddle]

20. "Are you now, or have you ever been ...

... a member of the Oath Keepers?"

This is not the look the Democratic Party wants to adopt.

Being vigilant for hate crimes and other illegal actions is essential. But policing thoughts and associations is problematic. Law enforcement officials associating with convicted criminals is something that can and should be tracked. LE officers being members of legal, though repugnant, organizations is a red flag, but not in itself grounds for dismissal.

In large part because different people define repugnant in different ways. We think of racist, fascist organizations calling for the overthrow of the current governmental system as bad. Other people think belonging to the ACLU, or GLAAD, or the Church of the Pastafarians are worse.

In order for them to not get to fire the people we agree with, we don't get to get to fire the people they agree with. There is also that pesky Bill of Rights and its guarantees of free speech and free assembly.

Watch them. And the minute they cross the legal line, take them down and prosecute them. But that is as far as we can go.

Or so it seems to me.

[3Hotdogs]

21. When I began my career as a N.J. teacher, we had to sign loyalty oaths.

That practice was declared illegal, a few years later.

[Farmer-Rick]

31. I kinda get what you're saying

But a major difference in your description of the right wing Nazis or Oath Kepers and the Church of the Pastafarians or ACLU is the fact that neither of the Left wing organizations have committed crimes.

Where as the Nazis and Oath Kepers have been convicted of crimes and encourage their members to commit crimes.

The Bill of Rights does not mean you can comit crimes and encourage people to break the law without repurcussions. Even when protesters break the law, they are usually held to account.

The First Amendment clearly lays it out: Congress shall make no law ... or abridging ... the right of the people peaceably to assemble.

The Oath Kepers and Nazis are Not peaceful.

[Farmer-Rick]

32. Those Commies who committed violent acts were held accountable

It's not illegal to belong to an organization but it is illegal to storm the capital and incite a riot.

Oth Kepers time and time again break the law and commit violent crimes against minorities and people they dislike. As long as the communist do their thing peacefully it's good to know they are still around pushing the right wing nut jobs to distraction.

[AntivaxHunters]

19. ACAB.

Gee, what a shock!

[70sEraVet]

22. I pointed out in a previous post, that the leaked list is EIGHT WEARS OLD!

"The leaked list contains information on individuals who signed up for Oath Keepers membership from 2009, the year the group was founded, through 2015. "
https://www.pogo.org/investigation/2022/12/hundreds-of-oath-keepers-have-worked-for-dhs-leaked-list-shows

So, these numbers, like the 300 serving or having served Im DHS, are certainly much lower than they are currently. I have no doubt that the Trump years saw HEAVY recruitment in these groups.

[dalton99a]

29. +1

[Farmer-Rick]

33. Yea, some people act as if the Oath Kepers are just forming a country club

They are a violent organization that encourages it's members to break the law. Much like Nazis, their hate for minorities and people different from them is their selling point. And to sell it, they commit crimes and encourage others to commit crimes, against those people they don't like.

They are a very dangerous anti-democracy group and should not be allowed to hold positions in a democratic government.

[Scalded Nun]

23. I have been screaming about this for years. Organizations like this

(and, yes, the police), are custom-made for authoritarians. DHS should have never been created in the first place. Panic and fear set the stage, opened the door, and the right just walked right through into a reality even their wildest wet-dreams could not achieve.

DHS needs to be dismantled, and the sooner the better.

[IronLionZion]

24. Many government jobs have veterans preference

Many oathkeepers are military veterans.

It's changed in recent years but until very recently the security vetting was essentially are you white or black? great! If you're a well documented brown US citizen, then you're stealing jobs from "real Americans" at best and a grave danger to national security at worst.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

28. Unreformable. Abolish it all.

[Prairie_Seagull]

35. IMO, first, desigate legally, the proud boys and others "domestic terrorist groups"

Then due to their Oath to protect and defend against foreign and domestic adversaries. FIRE Their ASSES.

Further, they could more easily be added to no fly lists among other things that should, I stress should, make one think prior to ever joining these terrorist groups.

Yes it would take significant effort on the part of the FBI. The downside could be, damn near unthinkable.

I Posted similarly elsewhere.