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Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
Wed Dec 14, 2022, 11:23 AM Dec 2022

Isn't Musk proving by his singular control of Twitter that Twitter is a private corporation?

Therefore as a private corporation controlled by a single private human being, clearly the First Amendment has no fucks to give to apply?

Therefore any legislation designed to use the first amendment as a sword rather than a shield as intended to protect against Government restrictions, all such legislation is doomed on arrival, in the absence of federal hate speech laws.

🤔

All that is not helpful to Republicans wanting to unleash hate by explicitly regulating
social media to be even more of a wasteland of hate than it already is.

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Isn't Musk proving by his singular control of Twitter that Twitter is a private corporation? (Original Post) Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2022 OP
The triumph of capitalism orthoclad Dec 2022 #1
Great if Twitter fails, government regulated or not, that would be my first wish! Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2022 #3
We need a good replacement orthoclad Dec 2022 #5
Canada is considering a public forum operated by an arms length entity, with defined Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2022 #7
Any publicly owned system would be subject to 1A protections Zeitghost Dec 2022 #8
We definitely need another model than orthoclad Dec 2022 #9
Private ownership can not be regulated, as wished for by D and R alike, I noticed. Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2022 #10
This is about 10 to the 6 orthoclad Dec 2022 #12
I get it but think my analogy is apt., as home ownership is as protected as free speech. Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2022 #15
musk has killed tesla as well as twitter moonshinegnomie Dec 2022 #2
Kill Twitter..., save Tesla and SpaceX and Tesla Batteries, Solar, StarLink etc. Fair trade!? Alexander Of Assyria Dec 2022 #4
I feel bad for the engineers and workers orthoclad Dec 2022 #6
A reich-wing megaphone is essential orthoclad Dec 2022 #14
Pornography Johnny2X2X Dec 2022 #11
There has always been porn on Twitter womanofthehills Dec 2022 #13

orthoclad

(2,910 posts)
1. The triumph of capitalism
Wed Dec 14, 2022, 11:59 AM
Dec 2022

He can sink the platform into a cesspool (per Fauci), lose tons of money for all his companies, and still achieve his goal and the goal of his class: domination.

Tesla stock sinking? Look at the tesla board: Larry Ellson, Kimball Musk (brother), James Murdoch (Fox). The goals are political, not financial.

Thousands of jobs lost and lives thrown into turmoil? Good result, for the owner class.

Elmo controlling twitter as a platform is like Rupert Murdoch buying Fox. Our best, thin hope is that it fails.

orthoclad

(2,910 posts)
5. We need a good replacement
Wed Dec 14, 2022, 01:46 PM
Dec 2022

A medium of global-scale communication and community must not be prone to the whims of private ownership.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
7. Canada is considering a public forum operated by an arms length entity, with defined
Wed Dec 14, 2022, 02:20 PM
Dec 2022

hate speech guidelines closely following in place federal criminal code laws. All subject eventually to public hearings and Parliamentary and Cabinet approval through regular due process.

It’s still in blueprint stage, rollout unknown.

Could a Public Communication platform be the replacement to corporate, private, or solo ownership of social media platforms, on a nation by nation basis?

Zeitghost

(3,869 posts)
8. Any publicly owned system would be subject to 1A protections
Wed Dec 14, 2022, 03:20 PM
Dec 2022

Making enforcement against anything short of calls to violence hard to moderate.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
10. Private ownership can not be regulated, as wished for by D and R alike, I noticed.
Sat Dec 17, 2022, 10:47 AM
Dec 2022

Solo ownership even more than corporate can not regulated in a nation recognizing and enforcing free speech freedoms from government restrictions. Another thing Musk is exposing!

It’s like the legislature telling a homeowner what can be said in their castle.

orthoclad

(2,910 posts)
12. This is about 10 to the 6
Sat Dec 17, 2022, 01:53 PM
Dec 2022

order of magnitude greater than home ownership (not to mention renters). What the Forbes 900 have is like the difference between owning a puppy and owning a zoo.

But yes, the property laws of capitalism vigorously protect property rights. Unless you're Joe Schmoe and the cops break your door down.

edit: exponent character doesn't print

moonshinegnomie

(2,491 posts)
2. musk has killed tesla as well as twitter
Wed Dec 14, 2022, 12:03 PM
Dec 2022

if you were a kick ass engineer in high demand looking for a new job tesla would be about the last place you would want to work now.
if you are looking for an EV and tend to the liberal side (like most EV buyers) tesla wont be a consideration any longer for a lot of them.

orthoclad

(2,910 posts)
6. I feel bad for the engineers and workers
Wed Dec 14, 2022, 01:48 PM
Dec 2022

at Tesla -- they tried hard for a long time to make something good.

Maybe if Tesla bottoms out, better owners could step in and buy it.

A dream: make it a worker-owned co-op.

orthoclad

(2,910 posts)
14. A reich-wing megaphone is essential
Sat Dec 17, 2022, 02:08 PM
Dec 2022

to the obscenely wealthy; a few corporations are just collateral damage in the class war. Domination and protection of their class is more important.

Tesla was doomed anyway. It made its money from two things:
-selling emissions credits to polluters
-the consumer tax credit, which enabled people to afford Tesla cars.
Cars are a necessary "pet rock" byproduct to enable those two things.

It looks like those revenue streams are drying up due to competition.

I feel bad for their actual (not pretend, Elmo) engineers, techs, and factory workers who tried hard to produce a useful product, and who will face unemployment.

Johnny2X2X

(19,116 posts)
11. Pornography
Sat Dec 17, 2022, 10:56 AM
Dec 2022

Until these last few weeks I had no idea there was porn on Twitter. Seen several instances of it, and the hardcore variety, not just nudes.

Seriously, is this new? This needs to be regulated like other porn sites and children should not be on Twitter.

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